way2roll
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map40 wrote:way2roll wrote:map40 wrote:valhalla360 wrote:map40 wrote:Without the complicated mechanics and the short range of a plug in hybrid (not a hybrid). Might sound similar, but it is a world of difference.
Always remember, an ICE is 30% efficient on converting fuel into motion. Parasitic loads, brakes converting kinetic energy into heat, they are all waste. An EV is 95% efficient converting power into motion.
As I said, they are a great alternative for the right use, but they won't replace all ICEs uses. And Trucks are the most difficult use for EV applications.
95% efficient is if you only look at the electricity arriving at the motor. Once you add conversion to and from the battery, transport over the grid, burning coal at the power plant, etc...even with the power used to drill, transport and refine oil, it's no longer the slam dunk in terms of efficiency.
In the same analogy, when you look into the efficiency of an ICE and include the refinery, transport, drilling, barreling, etc, the ICE drops below 5%. There is no merit in arguing that EVs are 3 times more efficient, you are picking a lousy argument that will not change the conclusion: For the right aplications, EVs are better than ICEs. Not all cases, just some.
Because EV's don't require mining, packing, transport etc right?
They both require a lot of resources, but the point is simple: for the right application EVs are vastly superiors to ICEs, just like Diesel engines are better than gasoline engines for some aplications. You are both complaining a point that is useless. EVs are built for efficiency and they are good at it. ICEs are built for convenience from 100 years ago, and although we keep improving them, there are applications for which the EV are going to be better than ICEs. And in those cases, you can get all the advantage of that 95% efficiency. If you want to make it more complex to fit your narrative or your political views, I have neither and I don't care for them, I just care for numbers at the end of the day.
Skirt, skirt, skirt and cherry pick points to sell your position. My truck is superior in every way - including efficiency - to any EV for pulling my FW.
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shelbyfv
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way2roll wrote:Skirt, skirt, skirt and cherry pick points to sell your position. My truck is superior in every way - including efficiency - to any EV for for pulling my FW. After a few misses you may actually be right about at least part of this!![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/doh.gif "doh")
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shelbyfv
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Would be interesting to know which of our EV haters are also climate change deniers. Separate blather from an informed post. Seems concerns are often repeated here that could be resolved with a quick Google, makes me think some folks just don't care to learn.
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map40
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way2roll wrote:map40 wrote:way2roll wrote:map40 wrote:valhalla360 wrote:map40 wrote:Without the complicated mechanics and the short range of a plug in hybrid (not a hybrid). Might sound similar, but it is a world of difference.
Always remember, an ICE is 30% efficient on converting fuel into motion. Parasitic loads, brakes converting kinetic energy into heat, they are all waste. An EV is 95% efficient converting power into motion.
As I said, they are a great alternative for the right use, but they won't replace all ICEs uses. And Trucks are the most difficult use for EV applications.
95% efficient is if you only look at the electricity arriving at the motor. Once you add conversion to and from the battery, transport over the grid, burning coal at the power plant, etc...even with the power used to drill, transport and refine oil, it's no longer the slam dunk in terms of efficiency.
In the same analogy, when you look into the efficiency of an ICE and include the refinery, transport, drilling, barreling, etc, the ICE drops below 5%. There is no merit in arguing that EVs are 3 times more efficient, you are picking a lousy argument that will not change the conclusion: For the right aplications, EVs are better than ICEs. Not all cases, just some.
Because EV's don't require mining, packing, transport etc right?
They both require a lot of resources, but the point is simple: for the right application EVs are vastly superiors to ICEs, just like Diesel engines are better than gasoline engines for some aplications. You are both complaining a point that is useless. EVs are built for efficiency and they are good at it. ICEs are built for convenience from 100 years ago, and although we keep improving them, there are applications for which the EV are going to be better than ICEs. And in those cases, you can get all the advantage of that 95% efficiency. If you want to make it more complex to fit your narrative or your political views, I have neither and I don't care for them, I just care for numbers at the end of the day.
Skirt, skirt, skirt and cherry pick points to sell your position. My truck is superior in every way - including efficiency - to any EV for pulling my FW.
You are 100% right, I said at least 22 time in this subject FOR TOWING THE EVs ARE NOT A GOOD IDEA. So instead of making your out-of-place point, did you think of reading? You know that the comments here are all related, right? Because I neither sell or have a position, like you do. I just have a pocket that I want to see with more money.
So let me explain you for the 23rd time; EVs ARE VASTLY SUPERIOR TO ICEs ONLY IN A FEW APPLICATIONS. FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE QUESTION ON THIS THREAD, EVs IN THE CURRENT STATE OF TECHNOLOGY, AND EVEN IN THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PATH HAVE VERY LITTLE APPLICATION FOR TRUCK TOWING AND LONG DISTANCE. Happy?
Next lesson: How not to be an a** to other fellow RVers in the forum by not taking 1 comment in a post out of context...
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map40
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shelbyfv wrote:Would be interesting to know which of our EV haters are also climate change deniers. Separate blather from an informed post. Seems concerns are often repeated here that could be resolved with a quick Google, makes me think some folks just don't care to learn.
They don't even need Google, they could have just read the previous messages and they would have realized that started this saying exactly that: EV trucks for towing is not a good idea.
Unless they just like to pick fights and argue for no reason...
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Tvov
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shelbyfv wrote:Would be interesting to know which of our EV haters are also climate change deniers. Separate blather from an informed post. Seems concerns are often repeated here that could be resolved with a quick Google, makes me think some folks just don't care to learn.
That would be interesting. As far as I am aware, I have not met anyone who denies that the climate changes.
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shelbyfv
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Tvov wrote:shelbyfv wrote:Would be interesting to know which of our EV haters are also climate change deniers. Separate blather from an informed post. Seems concerns are often repeated here that could be resolved with a quick Google, makes me think some folks just don't care to learn.
That would be interesting. As far as I am aware, I have not met anyone who denies that the climate changes. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/awink.gif "awink") Haha- yep, I should have said anthropogenic climate change but it's a big word and I had to look up the spelling....
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map40 wrote:shelbyfv wrote:Would be interesting to know which of our EV haters are also climate change deniers. Separate blather from an informed post. Seems concerns are often repeated here that could be resolved with a quick Google, makes me think some folks just don't care to learn.
They don't even need Google, they could have just read the previous messages and they would have realized that started this saying exactly that: EV trucks for towing is not a good idea.
Unless they just like to pick fights and argue for no reason...
Lol, right?
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