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Trackrig

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Posted: 12/06/22 12:47am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Not asked, but answered anyways..........

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ok, i wasted a lot of your time with bad info. i feel i didnt waste my time, as i learned a ton of **** about generators . bottom line, i was operating on bad information. i had written to miller with some questions on how the machine operated. i gave them the serial #. i was told it generates 120/240v power at "idle" 2000 rpm. then you kicked it up to 3600 rpm to get 80v ac open voltage at the cables. mine didnt. i dug thru various roughneck and the later blue star schematics. it turns out my unit is a 2 pole rotor, and will only get to 60HZ running at 3600 rpm. the blue star, and earlier roughnecks have a 4 pole rotor. i say that because there are youtube videos of roughnecks with multiple cable jacks for various voltages. in the video , those did 60 hz at 2000 ( idle). additionally confusing, what engine idles at 2000? anyway, mine has the big selector. my friend has a blue star 2E and i went there today. i could clearly see inside a 4 pole rotor. all the miller diagrams i looked at show a generic field drawing, no mention of poles. now looking thru the parts diagrams, you can see a 4 pole rotor in the early roughneck 2e, a 2 pole rotor in my later 2e, then back to 4 pole in the blue stars. ps- why the hell would they downgrade from a 4 pole to a 2 pole? at 3600 rpm, this motor is screaming. i would not use it as a generator in a blackout unless i really had no choice. anyway, i set it up to run full at 3600, and open welding voltage is good, 120/240 output is good. quite frankly, if i knew it was 2 pole, i might have passed on it. still , i paid 150 bucks for it, 200 for a new ignition system, so no real complaints. ps- i spoke a miller guy, and told him there was no way my unit had a 4 pole rotor in it, even if he said it did. he later emailed me a spec sheet of rotor readings, etc., and confirmed in the email it was a 2 pole rotor. i was scared ****less that i has some kind of frequency loss due to a bad rotor, and running it to 60HZ would blow it apart. i ended up buying an optical rpm tester, and it confirms 3600 rpm at 60 hz. . when its running it sounds like 36,000 , the sucker is really cranking. anyone with any questions about these things, let me know. i know it inside out now.

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Posted: 12/06/22 08:37am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Thanks for your update!


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mhooker32 wrote:

He later emailed me a spec sheet of rotor readings, etc., and confirmed in the email it was a 2 pole rotor.

So are there 2 pair (total 4) slip rings/brushes ?

Some, not all, standard non-inverter generator have automatic voltage regulator that adjust rotor voltage to get the correct output voltage. THIS DOES NOT affect frequency ! Frequency is strictly controlled by the engine speed.

So if you are tweaking a non-inverter generator, set your governed engine speed so that you get about 61 Hz unloaded and greater than 58 Hz under near full load. The regulator has an adjustment screw for output voltage. You have to compromise between unloaded and loaded. You are shooting for 120VAC +/-10%.

In general, stay away from brushless generators especially if you are planning on running electronics. They have very high total harmonic distortion.

* This post was edited 12/06/22 12:05pm by theoldwizard1 *

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Posted: 12/06/22 12:34pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

two slip rings on both the 2 and 4 pole rotors.

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I see I'm late to this party but for generator questions some people on This Forum are very knowledgeable.


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Posted: 12/06/22 03:49pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Yes I always assume a poster has done his homework before posting. Having had to diagnose issues with 12 pole 600 RPM machines nothing can be left to chance. Early Onans with saturated field (volts per Hz) and Delco RR Detroit volts per Hz machines called for careful and methodical troubleshooting.
Thank you OP !!!

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