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nickthehunter

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Ok. I sure would like to see a regulation by some government entity be it local, state, federal where that certification is required.


OK, just to randomly pick one, Nebraska. Clicky. Which actually says it’s not even legal to ‘sell, or display for sale’ an RV that doesn’t meet standards under NFPA 1192.
These aren’t Recreational Vehicles, they’re stripped out school buses, otherwise well known to NASCAR fans as School Bus Conversions; readily insurable and driven down the road legally (without a RVIA sticker even in Greenwood Nebraska). Undeniably - Sometimes also known to be seen in campgrounds all around the country.

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Who here ever had to provide RVIA information to register or insure their RV? Not me. Massachusetts did ask if I had a kitchen and when I said yes they required me to have a CAMPER license plate. My insurance company simply asked me if I had an RV. I'm not sure why they cared, I never really looked to see how much different the coverage was from my cars since it costs almost the same.

BTW, the Nebraska link provided specifically relates to "Any deal or manufacturer" and says nothing about private conversions.

That said, the biggest problem for schoolie conversions will be parks age-restricting vehicles. Heck, there are parks that won't even let in a Class B.

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nickthehunter wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

Pbutler97 wrote:

Ok. I sure would like to see a regulation by some government entity be it local, state, federal where that certification is required.


OK, just to randomly pick one, Nebraska. Clicky. Which actually says it’s not even legal to ‘sell, or display for sale’ an RV that doesn’t meet standards under NFPA 1192.
These aren’t Recreational Vehicles, they’re stripped out school buses, otherwise well known to NASCAR fans as School Bus Conversions; readily insurable and driven down the road legally (without a RVIA sticker even in Greenwood Nebraska). Undeniably - Sometimes also known to be seen in campgrounds all around the country.


So you’re saying people are doing these conversions and leaving them registered as commercial vehicles or busses?

Regardless, a person can click their heels and wish all the happy thoughts they want, but the State, Nebraska in this case, clearly define what a Recreational Vehicle is, they say “Recreational vehicle means a motor vehicle designed for living quarters.”.

BTW, where did you get the idea anybody they couldn’t be driven down the road legally?

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Who here ever had to provide RVIA information to register or insure their RV? Not me.

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Me neither. They don’t ask when I register my car / truck / SUV’s either even though they’re legally required to be certified as being built to the FMVSS.


Why? Because they know that Ford / GM / Chrysler /XYZ Auto company build only units built to code and certified as such.

The same as they know every Winnebago (or your favourite flavour of commercial RV) is also built to standards and certified as such.

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Who here ever had to provide RVIA information to register or insure their RV? Not me.

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Me neither. They don’t ask when I register my car / truck / SUV’s either even though they’re legally required to be certified as being built to the FMVSS.


Why? Because they know that Ford / GM / Chrysler /XYZ Auto company build only units built to code and certified as such.

The same as they know every Winnebago (or your favourite flavour of commercial RV) is also built to standards and certified as such.
Well you can believe that it you want to, that’s fine. But they wouldn’t ask for FMVSS or RVIA, or anything else because they would run the VIN, and guess what, it would come back as certified by whoever self-certifies school bus chassis. Same as mine comes back certified by whoever certifies Sprinter chassis… and it ain’t Winnebago.

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magicbus wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

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Who here ever had to provide RVIA information to register or insure their RV? Not me.

Dave


Me neither. They don’t ask when I register my car / truck / SUV’s either even though they’re legally required to be certified as being built to the FMVSS.


Why? Because they know that Ford / GM / Chrysler /XYZ Auto company build only units built to code and certified as such.

The same as they know every Winnebago (or your favourite flavour of commercial RV) is also built to standards and certified as such.
Well you can believe that it you want to, that’s fine. But they wouldn’t ask for FMVSS or RVIA, or anything else because they would run the VIN, and guess what, it would come back as certified by whoever self-certifies school bus chassis. Same as mine comes back certified by whoever certifies Sprinter chassis… and it ain’t Winnebago.

Dave
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And they would have the RVIA status tied to the VIN ….. HOW??

LMAO.

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That’s just my point, RVIA isn’t tied to the VIN and that’s why you can register a school bus conversion and the states and insurance companies have no concern because the bus chassis is already certified. So LYAO all you want, but in reality nobody is going to stop a schoolie from getting registered or insured. Trying to find someone who wants to let you park it on their property is a different story.

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JaxDad wrote:

Pbutler97 wrote:

Ok. I sure would like to see a regulation by some government entity be it local, state, federal where that certification is required.


OK, just to randomly pick one, Nebraska. Clicky. Which actually says it’s not even legal to ‘sell, or display for sale’ an RV that doesn’t meet standards under NFPA 1192.


Ok, you found one, I stand corrected. Even though it appears to specifically apply to dealers and dealerships, and does not address anything regarding insurance or campgrounds/parks.

When Joe Nebraska goes to Ohio and buys an RV are Nebraska RV goons waiting for him at the border? I doubt it. I think Joe goes home, buys insurance if he wants or needs it and proceeds to go camping without hassle, all in Nebraska.

I wonder what happens when someone trades in something that does not have an RVDIA compliance sticker or was built by one of the 2% of manufacturers that are not members of RVIA? 2% is a small number, but maybe not so small when you condisder that between Thor, Forest River, and Winnebago they have @ 95% market share.

How about providing a list of all the states that have such regulation? Frankly I don't have time to research it nor do I really care, but I bet it's a small minority. A small minority like campgrounds or parks such as the single one in Florida you listed, that at least by your claim bar RV's without RVIA decals. I have never heard of and will never visit Jetty Park wherever it is. I am sure there are others but I suspect they use that as a tool to eject those they don't want there to begin with.

I am looking forward to being questioned by a state or ACOE park ranger next year about my certification status even though it's never happened in 25 years of camping.

Now, back to the real world, where no one worries about if their RV has a 2" high oval sticker certified by a trade group. BTW, that would be like having the Carpenters District Council doing the structural framing inspections on your new home. Good luck.

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