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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
Reisender is always talking about how little time it takes to charge his Tesla towing his tiny tear drop trailer.
Ok cool. But lets see how long it takes to charge a big truck battery towing an average trailer that an American tows in the states.
Click here to see the harsh truth.
Now remember, if you tow an average trailer that I see on the road it will only get you about 100 miles before you need a recharge. And remember, if it's cold out you can cut that range by 25 to 50%! So now you can only go 50 to 75 miles before you need a recharge.
I have heard some people on this site say things like I will just charge up at the campground pedestal. Nope, not going to happen for several reasons. One is campgrounds are banning charging up at the campground pedestal. The two campgrounds I camped at last year had rules that stated no charging at campground pedestals. Another reason is the amount of time it takes to charge a large battery. 4 days for level 1 for the example above.
Now if you happen to have that trailer that Fish gave an example about, now you have 2 very large batteries that need to be charged. Just think how long that will take to charge.
Batteries work great for low power demands. Things like drills and impact wrenches work great!!! Motorcycles are another great use of battery power.
Pickup's and semi's. Not so good.
Yah some good points. Even with our little trailer SUV combo charging takes a while, and it’s not a big battery.
Currently EV’s that tow are only suitable for towing small more aerodynamic trailers like tear drops etc. . They do that pretty well and provide a nice towing experience. Larger trailers are much better suited to gas or diesel.
But certainly present EV towing will continue to advance and do will charging speeds. Megachargers charge a semi in 30 to 45 minutes. I’m sure the megacharger technology will filter down to future electric pickups that are better suited to tow than current ones.
Who knows. Time will tell. But the technology and product offerings seem to be changing pretty fast. And consumer demand for EV’s is not waning so I suspect technology evolution will continue.
I’ll disagree on campground charging. More and more campgrounds are adding charging facilities. It’s an amenity they can offer and generate revenue. I’m sure it will continue. We have never had an issue charging in a campground. Charge costs have been reasonable so far although admittedly at least for us most have not asked for payment, and that’s probably because we mostly rent 30 amp sites. (It’s just a little trailer). I’m sure the pickup crowd would want a 50 amp site as they have bigger batteries than our SUV.
Jmho.
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03/26/23 09:31am |
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.
Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.
It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.
Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .
Yet Tesla makes bilions on their EVs.
Ford just doesnt have the know how to build at profit,why is that?
Check Munro live chanel for answers
Cybrtrk is delayed bc of batery shortage.
1) It took tesla 10 years before they turned a profit. And it's not clear to me if one looks at Teslas net lossed during startup and net profits if the number is yet positive.
2) Ford and other mfg have developed Mfg lines to support volume production, until they hit those volumes profit suffers, not unusual just like early tesla
3) I big part of Tesla profits in the past wasn't from selling cars but from selling the energy credits for the cars to other companies. Even in 2022 Carbon credits were 20% of Tesla profits.
Interesting. So why don’t other companies sell those credits?
companies that HAVE carbon credits sell them to companies that NEED carbon credits to offset carbon emissions. Tesla gets the credits based on the EV's they sell..... and those more than offset the carbon emissions so they have a net positive carbon credit they can sell.
Companies that run solar arrays sell carbon credits, etc.
Ah ok. Wondered how that works. So why don’t other car companies make EV’s and sell credits? Sounds like it’s a profitable business.
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03/24/23 04:10pm |
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.
Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.
It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.
Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .
Yet Tesla makes bilions on their EVs.
Ford just doesnt have the know how to build at profit,why is that?
Check Munro live chanel for answers
Cybrtrk is delayed bc of batery shortage.
1) It took tesla 10 years before they turned a profit. And it's not clear to me if one looks at Teslas net lossed during startup and net profits if the number is yet positive.
2) Ford and other mfg have developed Mfg lines to support volume production, until they hit those volumes profit suffers, not unusual just like early tesla
3) I big part of Tesla profits in the past wasn't from selling cars but from selling the energy credits for the cars to other companies. Even in 2022 Carbon credits were 20% of Tesla profits.
Interesting. So why don’t other companies sell those credits?
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03/24/23 02:59pm |
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
Yah. Electricity is relatively cheap fuel in pretty much all of Canada. But we lived in and off in California as well up till two years ago and it was there as well if on the after hours charging plan . Don’t know about the rest of the US.
Insurance isn’t more expensive here for EV’s so can’t speak to that.
Price of vehicle depends what you are looking for I suppose. There are some reasonably inexpensive EV’s on the market although long waiting lists for those. (Chevy bolt). Availability is tough for some models in North America. (VW’s).
I don't know where you lived in California but I can tell you that electricity is NOT cheap in California. In fact is is the 4th highest in the nation. That's average for the whole state. Now if you live where I do, you will pay the 2nd highest in the nation. Only behind Hawaii.
I pay .37 cents a kwh. They means if I ever get my electric car out of the shop (it been there for over a year) it will be cheaper to drive a mile with dino juice rather than hydrocarbons pushed out over a wire.
Yes, you read that correctly. It is now cheaper to drive my hybrid with gasoline rather than electricity.
Now I know you tow your tear drop with an EV. But, you are on a towing forum and the average American does not tow a tear drop. The average trailer I see in the US is around a 25 to 30 foot hard sided TT or a 30 to 35 foot 5er. That is going to take a pickup or very large SUV to tow. Not a little EV car.
Now if you say well you can buy a pickup in the US that will tow those trailers. Ya, you can; but it will only go about 100 miles before you need a fill up. And now we are talking a LONG time to fill (not 20 minutes like you always say) because it has a big battery and not some little tiny battery like your EV car has.
Again, this is a towing forum and battery pickups are not inexpensive at all. And remember, Ford just lost 3 billion dollar on their electric division last year because of under pricing.
I'm not knocking what you do because it works for you. But; it is far from the average trailering Joe in the USA.
Those are facts whether anybody likes it or not.
Yah for sure. I see lots of big trailers in the US.
I think we paid 17 cents per KWH after 11 PM in Palm Springs, so much cheaper than what you are paying where you are. I don’t think it’s gone up much. Prices definitely vary region to region. At 17 cents it is much cheaper than gas prices.
Cheers.
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03/24/23 11:46am |
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
Yah. Electricity is relatively cheap fuel in pretty much all of Canada. But we lived in and off in California as well up till two years ago and it was there as well if on the after hours charging plan . Don’t know about the rest of the US.
Been reading some articles recently that some EV owners in the US are upset that the cost of electricity to charge their EV's has eclipsed what the cost would be to fuel up their ICE's. I have to guess that as demand for electricity goes up, so will price.
Wow. Crazy. What do people pay for electricity in big states like Texas or Florida or wherever? It must be crazy high to be more expensive than gas. It must make solar pretty attractive. Here it’s 6 times cheaper to run gas when charging at home. . A result of cheap power and expensive gas. :).
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03/24/23 11:07am |
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
way2roll,
While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.
i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.
other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.
Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.
marty
You're not wrong and I appreciate the positive spin. I like technology when it makes a difference. But to me, EV's aren't better, they're just different. I don't see where we've solved a single problem. We've just created new ones and kicked the can down the road. I feel with the technology we have available we can do better. Maybe it will come. We'll see.
I don’t think EV sales are taking off like they are because they are solving a problem or because they are some kind of ecological panacea. People are buying EV’s because they like them. The biggest reasons people buy EV’s are still
Better performance on every metric.
Convenience of fueling at home.
Great tech (a big crowd pleaser)
Low maintenance.
Cheap fuel.
Super quiet.
For those of us who get winter EV’s are super convenient compared to gassers or diesels. Never worry about starting in the cold and for those of us who park outside a lot it’s toasty warm and defrosted with no window scraping within 5 minutes. Much faster than a gasser or diesel. Probably half our neighbours went EV shopping after they watched us go thru the first winter with ours 7 years ago. It’s nice. And gas pumps in winter are never any fun. One of our older neighbours switched last year before winter. She loves not having to deal with a gas pump in winter anymore.
But to each their own. Everybody has different preferences.
Your missed these metrics:
Highway distance between charges
Time to recharge
Distance between charges while towing
Yah for sure. It’s just a matter of wether somebody thinks those are important for their driving.
Many are fine with stopping every 3 or 4 hours and taking a 20 minute break. Almost always the car is finished charging before they are finished doing what they doing. Eating, bathroom etc. But sure, if you are the type that travels 6 hours and then takes a 15 minute fuel al food break the gasser is a better way to go. But there are a lot less of those types on the road. Definitely not a healthy way to travel.
Towing is a different animal. Those of us who are retired might be okay with a charge step every 2 or 3 hours. Others not. And of course right now one has to select a small trailer to achieve a reasonable towing experience. I’m sure that will change in time as new tech comes out. Short of towing range with existing EV’s the actual towing experience is superior with an electric. It’s a different world.
But to each his own. Bottom line is people love EV’s and sales continue to grow fast all over the world for no other reason than people love them. The number one and two vehicle in Europe are EV’s. Same in California. And many parts of Asia. Times are changing."Cheap Fuel"?
#1 Depends on where you live. About 0.1% of the members of this forum live in an area serviced by BC Hydro - where apparently electricity is cheap which some people like to use in their calculation for everyone. The other 99.9% of us don't. And a greater number live in Cal., where fuel can be called anything but cheap.
#2 Offset by vehicle purchase price
#3 Further offset by cost of insurance
#4 And further offset by DMV surcharges for Road Tax (growing number of states)
Let's keep talking about metrics, this is fun, albeit, one sided.
Yah. Electricity is relatively cheap fuel in pretty much all of Canada. But we lived in and off in California as well up till two years ago and it was there as well if on the after hours charging plan . Don’t know about the rest of the US.
Insurance isn’t more expensive here for EV’s so can’t speak to that.
Price of vehicle depends what you are looking for I suppose. There are some reasonably inexpensive EV’s on the market although long waiting lists for those. (Chevy bolt). Availability is tough for some models in North America. (VW’s).
Bottom line is people like them and they are willing to wait for them. Supply is a long way from demand at this point. The test drive is very convincing.
Cheers all.
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Reisender
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03/24/23 10:21am |
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
way2roll,
While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.
i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.
other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.
Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.
marty
You're not wrong and I appreciate the positive spin. I like technology when it makes a difference. But to me, EV's aren't better, they're just different. I don't see where we've solved a single problem. We've just created new ones and kicked the can down the road. I feel with the technology we have available we can do better. Maybe it will come. We'll see.
I don’t think EV sales are taking off like they are because they are solving a problem or because they are some kind of ecological panacea. People are buying EV’s because they like them. The biggest reasons people buy EV’s are still
Better performance on every metric.
Convenience of fueling at home.
Great tech (a big crowd pleaser)
Low maintenance.
Cheap fuel.
Super quiet.
For those of us who get winter EV’s are super convenient compared to gassers or diesels. Never worry about starting in the cold and for those of us who park outside a lot it’s toasty warm and defrosted with no window scraping within 5 minutes. Much faster than a gasser or diesel. Probably half our neighbours went EV shopping after they watched us go thru the first winter with ours 7 years ago. It’s nice. And gas pumps in winter are never any fun. One of our older neighbours switched last year before winter. She loves not having to deal with a gas pump in winter anymore.
But to each their own. Everybody has different preferences.
Your missed these metrics:
Highway distance between charges
Time to recharge
Distance between charges while towing
Yah for sure. It’s just a matter of wether somebody thinks those are important for their driving.
Many are fine with stopping every 3 or 4 hours and taking a 20 minute break. Almost always the car is finished charging before they are finished doing what they doing. Eating, bathroom etc. But sure, if you are the type that travels 6 hours and then takes a 15 minute fuel al food break the gasser is a better way to go. But there are a lot less of those types on the road. Definitely not a healthy way to travel.
Towing is a different animal. Those of us who are retired might be okay with a charge step every 2 or 3 hours. Others not. And of course right now one has to select a small trailer to achieve a reasonable towing experience. I’m sure that will change in time as new tech comes out. Short of towing range with existing EV’s the actual towing experience is superior with an electric. It’s a different world.
But to each his own. Bottom line is people love EV’s and sales continue to grow fast all over the world for no other reason than people love them. The number one and two vehicle in Europe are EV’s. Same in California. And many parts of Asia. Times are changing.
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Reisender
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03/24/23 09:40am |
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
way2roll,
While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.
i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.
other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.
Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.
marty
You're not wrong and I appreciate the positive spin. I like technology when it makes a difference. But to me, EV's aren't better, they're just different. I don't see where we've solved a single problem. We've just created new ones and kicked the can down the road. I feel with the technology we have available we can do better. Maybe it will come. We'll see.
I don’t think EV sales are taking off like they are because they are solving a problem or because they are some kind of ecological panacea. People are buying EV’s because they like them. The biggest reasons people buy EV’s are still
Better performance on every metric.
Convenience of fueling at home.
Great tech (a big crowd pleaser)
Low maintenance.
Cheap fuel.
Super quiet.
For those of us who get winter EV’s are super convenient compared to gassers or diesels. Never worry about starting in the cold and for those of us who park outside a lot it’s toasty warm and defrosted with no window scraping within 5 minutes. Much faster than a gasser or diesel. Probably half our neighbours went EV shopping after they watched us go thru the first winter with ours 7 years ago. It’s nice. And gas pumps in winter are never any fun. One of our older neighbours switched last year before winter. She loves not having to deal with a gas pump in winter anymore.
But to each their own. Everybody has different preferences.
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Reisender
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03/24/23 07:54am |
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
As for charging time, when we travel long distance I figure refueling time is at least 20 minutes. The time to exit the freeway, get in line at a gas station, fill up and be on my way.
so..... based on the advances in fast charging if the Gov't would change the laws around interstate rest stops and allow comercial activity, good chance I could pull into a rest stop, hook up, use the facilities, get a short rest and be on my way in about the same time it takes today to refuel.
Course naysayers will say "but power isn't available at the rest stops!" well true today, but I suspect if it was opened up just like with cell phone transmission auctions, companies and power companies would be lining up to bid.
BTW I've been to europe, The rest stops in europe are DECADES AND MILES AHEAD OF US. nice rest stops, restauarants, fuel, and other stuff all in one stop.
I suspect the rules on no comercial activity on US. interstate rest stops was just a way to placate cities that were being bypassed by interstate to get people to stop in the city.
Just like when unleaded fuel became a requirement, all the sudden it happens and "fueling" will be as easy or easier than today AND I'll be able to avoid trips to the "gas" station most of the time by recharging at home.
Yah that’s about right. Typical supercharge stop is 15 to 20 minutes. But we stop every 3 hours. I can’t go longer than that without a pee break. Pull in, hook up, and go look after business, get another coffee, stretch the legs, crank off a dozen push-ups and squats and hit the road. Typically 15 or 20 minutes.
Having said that when we are pulling our trailer we drain the battery further and sooner and the charge times are typically 5 or 10 minutes longer.
It all works but our habits change a bit.
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03/22/23 07:28pm |
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
It's not just the ability to tow, but the range while towing.
And what about sitting at a charge station with a big 5th wheel attached?
The megacharger stalls are built to accommodate full length semi trailers. I’m sure they’ll be able to accommodate a fifth wheel and one ton electric truck when they build one some day.
Right now the existing electric vehicles with tow packages tend to tow smaller trailers. The only exception is the YouTubers that hook up a 28 foot trailer to a half ton truck. The vast majority of the thousands of EV RVers out there are pulling smaller units suited to their tow vehicle and getting reasonable results.
Trailer pull thrus for smaller combos are starting to get more common although many more are needed. We rarely have to unhook although it happens sometimes. We need more pull thrus like this. It all takes time.
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03/22/23 04:55pm |
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RE: Vancouver island and Prince Rupert to Jasper.
I hadn't thought about your charging needs. I've watched some electric youtubers, including one group that took a Ford Lightning on the Dalton in Alaska. My earlier cars where a 84 Trooper II, a S10 pickup, a 1st gen RAV4, and now a Honda Element. Mostly it's been tent camping, with some nights in the Element. Cape Scott was a short backpacking camping hike.
Yah. The rest of the province is well covered but the highway to Bella coola and the Alcan still aren’t finished. But that’s okay. To much for one summer anyway. Next year or the year after we’ll do the Alcan. Our plans include the Yukon but we still have a lot of the interior to cover including parts of the kootenays. All in good time.
Thanks again.
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03/21/23 10:44pm |
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RE: Vancouver island and Prince Rupert to Jasper.
Some great suggestions in there. Some of those we have gone but some we are assuming to our list. So much to see on this tour this year. We are alloying 5 weeks, 7 if we carry on to Jasper. It’s going to be a busy summer. Bellacoola will have to wait till next year as BC hydro won’t have their Electric Vehicle charge corridor to Bellacoola finished until September. That’s alright though. The list is long enough for this year. :).
Thanks again for your input. I have some digging to do. :).
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03/21/23 09:58pm |
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Vancouver island and Prince Rupert to Jasper.
Woohoo. Camping season is almost upon us. Last year we explored up to parksville and then over to Ucluelet and Tofino. This year our intention is to make a great circle and go from the Okanagan to the island, up the island and take the ferry up to Prince Rupert, then over to Prince George, then down through Barkerville etc and back to our home in the Okanagan via Kamloops. Alternatively if we are feeling up to it and weather is good we may carry on from Prince George to Jasper on 16 and then back thru Calgary and highway 1 to the Okanagan.
Our question is what Interesting places can you suggest we visit and camp at between parksville and port hardy on the island. If you have suggestions for interesting spots on 16 from Prince Rupert to Prince George we’ll take those too but after that we are fairly familiar with the route. We have lots of time. Any suggestions are welcome. We have a small combo as per the picture so we can get in anywhere. Serviced or unserviced camping is fine. We have a growing list of places but are looking to add to the list. We are avid hikers and in good shape.
Thanks in advance all.
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03/21/23 07:37pm |
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RE: Ford's issues
^Everyone has a price they will pay for a certain convenience….and Tesla has hit a home run so far playing their music to the right crowd. Kudos to Elon/Tesla.
What does it cost for techs to “show up” and fix your Tesla, not under warranty? And how do they know which parts to bring, or do they roll up in a semi stocked with all the parts?
What does it cost for the Tesla tech to show up at your door when you live 500 mi from the nearest service center?
….Thats what I thought…. Great city vehicles, great for people with significant disposable income and great for those who are allergic to getting their hands dirty.
Good morning. The procedure is you open your app, go to the right area and put in a work ticket. Follow the prompts to narrow down the problem, request home service and submit the ticket. Within an hour or so they get back to you and let you know if they can do it mobile or not. If not it’s off to the service centre. They also give a cost estimate based on what they know. In our case they diagnose the issue over the air first. We had a camera alignment issue. They fixed it over the air but sent a tech out anyway just to check on it.
They have a fleet of modified old Tesla model S’s. 2014 and 2015 vintage from why I can tell. The front seats are intact but the rest is all Joey beds and the huge Frunk is a big parts bin.
It took four days for us from the time we put on the ticket to the time they came out. The tech that looked after us has about a 200 kilometre range he works out of. They come right to your workplace or your house. We have a lot of teslas here so we seen him in town reasonably often. The service centre is 450 kilometres away so it’s handy.
Prices are really competitive for non warranty stuff from what I gather from the other tesla owners in the area. Great service. Happy customer here.
Hope that helps.
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03/17/23 08:18am |
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RE: Ford's issues
My daughter will never buy a Ford again. Back in 2018 she bought an Ecosport with the 1L turbocharged 3 cylinder engine. For the first two years it ran great. She always took it to the dealer for oil changes and other work. Then the turbo stopped working and the dealer couldn't fix it. I looked at it and 20 minutes later I ordered a new vacuum solenoid and fixed that problem. Then last year the engine just died. Towed it to the dealer, they have to replace the engine and transmission under a non issued recall. Dealer had it over 8 months waiting for the parts. Finally got it back just before Christmas. Got 2 miles from the dealership and the new engine started acting up along with the transmission. As of today it's still sitting at the dealership because they don't know what to do. Ford won't buy it back under the Lemon Law because it needs one more failure to get their required three problems.
These things are a real POS. Aren't they made in China?i
It depends on the market. The Ford EcoSport is being made in Romania, China, Brazil, India, Thailand, Vietnam and Russia.
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03/16/23 01:43pm |
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RE: Ford's issues
People enjoy the Tesla type web based purchase experience. Zero stress. Click click done.
As well the tesla service experience via the app and driveway service is also kinda nice. Techs show up at your place of work or driveway. Very convenient.
Friends had a Mustang Mach E. Ford still sends them oil change coupons. They don’t even track what they sold him. :). Funny.
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03/16/23 08:07am |
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RE: Ford 150 lightning recall
Typical forum BS. ...
"Battery fires were such a huge issue for General Motors that the company had to issue a mass recall on the Chevy Bolt EV. The recall cost the company over one billion dollars. GM is looking to cut ties with LG following its battery fire issue....
Battery fires were enough to make GM want to abandon its partnership with LG. It seems LG isn’t the only company that is producing EV batteries that can cause fires. According to CNBC, the F-150 Lightning models that are fire risks are powered by SK On batteries. These batteries power several popular electric vehicles, including the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6." What part of this news story is a lie ????. This same news has appeared in other business news articles besides motor biscuit KH. Many RVers own other EV vehicles besides the F 150.
Retired financial/tax accountant and overseas commercial helicopter pilot.
https://ibb.co/SBJP2dY
GM and LG continue a partnership to build Ultium batteries.
GM did replace batteries for all Bolt's.
There were less Bolt fires than Tesla's running into parked emergency equipment on the highway.
I own a EV, gasoline, and diesel. I use what makes sense. Please continue to research information from reliable and varied sources.
Tesla doesnt run into anything.
Its the drivers responsiblity to hold steering wheel at all times,
Read the owners manual before driving Tesla.
Sleeping behind the wheel or being drunk then blaming Tesla was the cause in each acident.
Yep. Tesla ADAS is only level 2. As per all the prompts and nags in the system, the driver is always driving. The ADAS is just that. Advanced driver assistance system. Definitely nice to use and will help you avoid accidents but you are always the driver. We use ours every day pretty much 99 percent of the time. It drives us across town or to the next town. All we have to do is tell it where we want to go. It works 9 times out of 10. But that tenth time…:). And yes, your supposed to disable it around emergency vehicles and in construction areas.
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03/15/23 07:21pm |
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RE: Ford 150 lightning recall
Want to see a lot of EV on the road, come to the Phoenix area. Tesla's everywhere. I would note that we snowbirds come each fall to try and slow traffic down, and each year we fail. Speed limits have been complete thrown out now. I do not know why they even maintain the speed limit signs.
I still think that built in batteries in EVs was a mistake, they should have been swappable. Pull into a swap station and the robot swaps the battery for a fully charged one and bills you for the amp hrs used and sends you on your way in a couple minutes.
I fly electric model airplanes and race 1/10 scale RC trucks. Both hobbies are based on swappable batteries.
Same thing going on the Katy TX area. I can be driving and pretty much spot a Tesla at any given time.
Also I much prefer OS Max gas powered engines for model airplanes.
Yah Vancouver is like that now. Pull up to a 4 way stop and teslas are 3 deep in each direction. And there is one gas station left in the downtown core. Times are a changin.
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Reisender
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03/15/23 06:21pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Ford 150 lightning recall
Want to see a lot of EV on the road, come to the Phoenix area. Tesla's everywhere. I would note that we snowbirds come each fall to try and slow traffic down, and each year we fail. Speed limits have been complete thrown out now. I do not know why they even maintain the speed limit signs.
I still think that built in batteries in EVs was a mistake, they should have been swappable. Pull into a swap station and the robot swaps the battery for a fully charged one and bills you for the amp hrs used and sends you on your way in a couple minutes.
I fly electric model airplanes and race 1/10 scale RC trucks. Both hobbies are based on swappable batteries.
Tesla tried the swap thing. Even had a test swap station set up on i5. There was little interest from owners. Most are fine with a 15 or 20 minute stop every few hours. Usually by that time one needs a pee break and coffee refill anyway.
There is a company called Vin fast that is trying to make a go of it. Both in Asia and the US. Too early to tell on public response. Might work out for some. We wouldn’t bother. Most charging is done at home and road trip stops are concurrent with pee breaks or meals anyway.
Time will tell.
Cheers.
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Reisender
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03/15/23 06:10pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Price of camping
24 to 44 bucks for most provincial parks. We just booked three days at bear creek provincial park and I think it was 117 including tax, Canadian funds. 30 amp site.
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Reisender
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03/13/23 02:02pm |
RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
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