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RE: Question for TEXANS- Class A non CDL
Here is the actual law:
SUBCHAPTER D. CLASSIFICATION OF DRIVER'S LICENSES
Sec. 521.081. CLASS A LICENSE. A Class A driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate:
(1) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more; or
(2) a combination of vehicles that has a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, if the gross vehicle weight rating of any vehicle or vehicles in tow is more than 10,000 pounds.
Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
Sec. 521.082. CLASS B LICENSE. (a) A Class B driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate:
(1) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating that is more than 26,000 pounds;
(2) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,000 pounds or more towing:
(A) a vehicle, other than a farm trailer, with a gross vehicle weight rating that is not more than 10,000 pounds; or
(B) a farm trailer with a gross vehicle weight rating that is not more than 20,000 pounds; and
(3) a bus with a seating capacity of 24 passengers or more.
(b) For the purposes of Subsection (a)(3), seating capacity is computed in accordance with Section 502.253, except that the operator's seat is included in the computation.
Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
Amended by:
Acts 2013, 83rd Leg., R.S., Ch. 161 (S.B. 1093), Sec. 20.017, eff. September 1, 2013.
Sec. 521.083. CLASS C LICENSE. A Class C driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate:
(1) a vehicle or combination of vehicles not described by Section 521.081 or 521.082; and
(2) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of less than 26,001 pounds towing a farm trailer with a gross vehicle weight rating that is not more than 20,000 pounds.
Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
The bolded sections are the pertinent sections.
The main difference between the class A and class B is that the Class A refers to the Combined gvwr and the Class B refers to the tow vehicle's gvwr.
In BB_TX's case, the Class C is the appropriate license because his combined gvwr is less than 26,001 and his tow vehicle gvwr is less than 26,000. The Class C requirement does not limit the gvwr of the trailer to 10,000 or less.
In the OP's case, the Class A is the required license because the combined gvwr is 26,001 or more and the towed has a gvwr of over 10,000.
Interesting. The quote in blue in my post above specifying the 10,000 lb limit came from the Texas Department of Public Safety TEXAS DRIVER HANDBOOK January 2022 edition.
What you posted above was enacted in 1995 in the state codes without the 10,000 lb limitation. So the million dollar question is; is the new handbook wrong to have that additional limitation or is the on-line access to the codes not up to date? :h
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BB_TX
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03/27/23 08:22pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Slide out blows fuse coming in
By hearing the “fuse pop/blow” do you mean a click sound? If so, it may be an auto reset circuit breaker opening due to current overload. If you are continuing to hold the closing switch after the slide stops moving in, you are probably causing that overload. When a motor stops turning but is still under power the current will increase (locked rotor amps) considerably exceeding normal running amps.
What sound are you expecting to hear?
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BB_TX
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03/27/23 09:21am |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Where to see US solar eclipses '23/'24
I’m getting lucky this time, twice. First one will pass over our TX hill country hunting cabin so I am planning a trip there in October. Second will actually pass over our house so backyard viewing will happen.
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BB_TX
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03/25/23 07:11pm |
RV Lifestyle
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RE: newer ford and sensing trailer hooked up
I would start by cleaning the contacts on the trailer cord connector and truck receptacle. Do you have both a bumper connector and an in-bed connector? If so, try the other one (which ever you do not normally use).
ya I have both as I still use the bumper one for my camper and the in bed one for my 5th. I'll do that and see if it makes a difference
I sometimes, but not always, had a connection issue with my in-bed connector but not my bumper connector. Ended up replacing the in-bed connector.
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BB_TX
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03/24/23 02:45pm |
Towing
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RE: Question for TEXANS- Class A non CDL
I would research the requirements in your state. It's binary, either you need a different license or you don't. If you need it, get it. It's pretty simple. Anything worth doing is worth doing right. The question about whether you get pulled over and the consequences is just noise. If you have the proper license it's no longer a question.
I was in an interesting situation pertaining to a Texas DL.
Class A - a combination of vehicles with a combined GVWR of 26,001 lbs and towing a trailer with a GVWR greater than 10,000 lb.
Class B - a single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 lb or a combination of vehicles with a combined GVWR of 26,001 lb and towing a trailer under 10,000 lb.
Class C - a vehicle not falling under class A or class B towing a trailer with a GVWR of under 10,000 lb.
My truck/5er conbined GVWR was under 26,000 lbs. So I did not fall under the class A license. Or class B. But my 5er GVWR was about 14,000 lb, so did not fall under class C. So my situation did not meet any of the requirements. I continued to tow with my class C wondering how a LEO would respond if I got stopped and he questioned my license class and I then ask him what class I should have based on my weights. :h Never got stopped to find out.
Class C is fine for what you have. Many hotshoters have their truck derated to 10k lbs (which is why Ford offers this option when you order) and with a truck rated at 10k they can tow a trailer with a GVWR of 16k and still only run Class C
Registration on a 10k truck is cheaper and so is insurance I think
Not according to the definition of class C. It specifically says a trailer not to exceed 10,000 lbs. My 5er was about 14,000 lbs.
A single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of less than 26,001 lbs. towing a trailer not to exceed 10,000 lbs. GVWR or a farm trailer with a GVWR that does not exceed 20,000 lb
Correct, so you clearly don’t fall in A or B class by those definitions, and the first line for a class C says something like “any vehicle or combo that doesn’t fall under A or B.”
Therefore C is the correct answer. And additionally class C doesn’t say under 10klb. Only farm trailers under 20k. Maybe the lingo changed since back in the day but idk.
The paragraph in blue above with the 10,000 lb limit is in the current description of class C now. So I didn’t fit class C either. LEO or a judge’s interpretation would be interesting since they could say I didn’t meet A, B, or C but they also couldn’t actually tell me what class I did meet. A loophole in the wording.
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BB_TX
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03/24/23 02:37pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Decals/Graphics
I replaced only the front and rear decals on my fiberglass 5er. And that was a chore. A 3M eraser wheel helped as it took off the decal material and a lot of the adhesive came off with the decal shreds. And 3M adhesive remover took off the rest. There as a ghost image on the fiberglass of the old decals so locating the new ones was easy. Getting them flat with all air and water squeegeed out before they dried was some work. But it looked like new again. My side decals were still good.
But I have read on here that the eraser wheel will also take off the paint from aluminum siding. So I guess not an option.
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BB_TX
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03/24/23 02:32pm |
Do It Yourself Modifications and Upgrades (DIY)
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RE: Harbor Freight 1720 lb trailer
Have you searched for various Harbor Freight stores in your area? Shows that trailer in stock at several different stores in this area.
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BB_TX
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03/23/23 01:54pm |
Do It Yourself Modifications and Upgrades (DIY)
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RE: Question for TEXANS- Class A non CDL
I would research the requirements in your state. It's binary, either you need a different license or you don't. If you need it, get it. It's pretty simple. Anything worth doing is worth doing right. The question about whether you get pulled over and the consequences is just noise. If you have the proper license it's no longer a question.
I was in an interesting situation pertaining to a Texas DL.
Class A - a combination of vehicles with a combined GVWR of 26,001 lbs and towing a trailer with a GVWR greater than 10,000 lb.
Class B - a single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 lb or a combination of vehicles with a combined GVWR of 26,001 lb and towing a trailer under 10,000 lb.
Class C - a vehicle not falling under class A or class B towing a trailer with a GVWR of under 10,000 lb.
My truck/5er conbined GVWR was under 26,000 lbs. So I did not fall under the class A license. Or class B. But my 5er GVWR was about 14,000 lb, so did not fall under class C. So my situation did not meet any of the requirements. I continued to tow with my class C wondering how a LEO would respond if I got stopped and he questioned my license class and I then ask him what class I should have based on my weights. :h Never got stopped to find out.
Class C is fine for what you have. Many hotshoters have their truck derated to 10k lbs (which is why Ford offers this option when you order) and with a truck rated at 10k they can tow a trailer with a GVWR of 16k and still only run Class C
Registration on a 10k truck is cheaper and so is insurance I think
Not according to the definition of class C. It specifically says a trailer not to exceed 10,000 lbs. My 5er was about 14,000 lbs.
A single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of less than 26,001 lbs. towing a trailer not to exceed 10,000 lbs. GVWR or a farm trailer with a GVWR that does not exceed 20,000 lb
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BB_TX
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03/22/23 03:17pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Question for TEXANS- Class A non CDL
I would research the requirements in your state. It's binary, either you need a different license or you don't. If you need it, get it. It's pretty simple. Anything worth doing is worth doing right. The question about whether you get pulled over and the consequences is just noise. If you have the proper license it's no longer a question.
I was in an interesting situation pertaining to a Texas DL.
Class A - a combination of vehicles with a combined GVWR of 26,001 lbs and towing a trailer with a GVWR greater than 10,000 lb.
Class B - a single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 lb or a combination of vehicles with a combined GVWR of 26,001 lb and towing a trailer under 10,000 lb.
Class C - a vehicle not falling under class A or class B towing a trailer with a GVWR of under 10,000 lb.
My truck/5er conbined GVWR was under 26,000 lbs. So I did not fall under the class A license. Or class B. But my 5er GVWR was about 14,000 lb, so did not fall under class C. So my situation did not meet any of the requirements. I continued to tow with my class C wondering how a LEO would respond if I got stopped and he questioned my license class and I then ask him what class I should have based on my weights. :h Never got stopped to find out.
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BB_TX
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03/22/23 08:23am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: newer ford and sensing trailer hooked up
I would start by cleaning the contacts on the trailer cord connector and truck receptacle. Do you have both a bumper connector and an in-bed connector? If so, try the other one (which ever you do not normally use).
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BB_TX
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03/22/23 08:03am |
Towing
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RE: Question for TEXANS- Class A non CDL
Class C allows an important exception for farm trailers.
From Texas Driver Handbook.
Class C
2. A single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of less than 26,001 lbs. towing a trailer not to exceed 10,000 lbs. GVWR or a farm trailer with a GVWR that does not exceed 20,000 lbs.
For a combined GVWR of 26,001 lbs towing a trailer in excess of 10,000 lb GVWR you do need a class A non CDL. However, I would guess fewer than 50% of RVers do have it.
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BB_TX
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03/21/23 08:44am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Tire Rotation
Tires on my 5er never showed any difference in wear between the 4 so I never bothered to rotate them. .
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BB_TX
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03/20/23 12:15pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
…The last new coal fired power plant to start up in the US was in 2013. And no plans for any new coal power plants. And not likely to get permits if they wanted to.
US only has about 500 coal fired power plants and those are slowly being shut down.
That just goes to prove how big of a SUCKER the US is. While we phase out coal, the rest of the world uses more and more. Look in the mirror, see that word stamped on your forehead? And don’t forget to keep putting them same people back in power.
If you have ever visited China you would probably be anti coal. Took a business trip there years ago with three co workers. Air was thick enough to cut. Took a train from Hong Kong to Guanghou passing some kind of coal plants. For probably a mile diameter around them the ground was black with coal dust. We all had respiratory issues for 3-4 weeks after our return. Our company’s business was in controls for power plants and I visited a lot of them. Retired now. US plants are much cleaner but still not a place you would likely choose to live near.
Fwiw
Last time I checked China is going solar wind hydro to lower the polution.
https://youtu.be/MIbbkW6dB98
https://youtu.be/4zt-SMlaaM8
Different info.
China coal power plants
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BB_TX
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03/18/23 06:12pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
…The last new coal fired power plant to start up in the US was in 2013. And no plans for any new coal power plants. And not likely to get permits if they wanted to.
US only has about 500 coal fired power plants and those are slowly being shut down.
That just goes to prove how big of a SUCKER the US is. While we phase out coal, the rest of the world uses more and more. Look in the mirror, see that word stamped on your forehead? And don’t forget to keep putting them same people back in power.
If you have ever visited China you would probably be anti coal. Took a business trip there years ago with three co workers. Air was thick enough to cut. Took a train from Hong Kong to Guanghou passing some kind of coal plants. For probably a mile diameter around them the ground was black with coal dust. We all had respiratory issues for 3-4 weeks after our return. Our company’s business was in controls for power plants and I visited a lot of them. Retired now. US plants are much cleaner but still not a place you would likely choose to live near.
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BB_TX
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03/17/23 01:43pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
The electrical grid can only (with great difficulty) support all the electrical demand now (but not on a very hot or very cold day). eAutos will require almost 3000 NEW COAL FIRED electrical generating plants plus upgrade of all the substations etc. NO WAY.
The last new coal fired power plant to start up in the US was in 2013. And no plans for any new coal power plants. And not likely to get permits if they wanted to.
US only has about 500 coal fired power plants and those are slowly being shut down.
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BB_TX
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03/17/23 12:13pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035
2035?? Maybe, maybe not. A number of auto makers (including GM) have already announce plans to fully transition to EV vehicles by 2035. And the European Union lawmakers have already proposed a full ban on gas vehicles by 2035; think Mercedes/BMW/Audi/Porche/Jaguar. 2035 will probably slide a few years, but probably not by much.
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BB_TX
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03/17/23 08:28am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Time to sell questions
When I sold my 5er I googled my model and year and looked at prices nationally for similar units. And prices were all over the place from fairly low to insanely high. And, of course, those were asking prices, not necessarily actual sale prices. So don’t look at the highs and think “WOW, I can get that much?”
I looked at nada.com for my year and model. That value for average retail was somewhere in the middle of those googled prices. Listed it on Facebook Marketplace. Free and easy. I limited the ad to something like a 50-75 mile radius making it easy for potential buyers to see it. And easy to meet them at a branch of their bank to get a bank issued check for the full amount eliminating any question about a valid payment. Ended up confirming the sale in 2 days to first inquirer. And had over 20 more seemingly serious inquiries before I could meet her at her bank and get the check and mark it sold.
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BB_TX
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03/15/23 05:49pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Hwy 89A in Northern Arizona
Looks like they may be enforcing the 30’ limit.
https://i.imgur.com/bdOPdUkl.jpg width=500
https://i.imgur.com/VnCeRuVl.jpg width=500
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BB_TX
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03/15/23 09:14am |
Roads and Routes
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RE: Ford 150 lightning recall
Could it possibly be that nammedevac is anti EV? :h
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BB_TX
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03/14/23 01:29pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Ford 150 lightning recall
This Ford F-150 Lightning problem is bad news for EVs.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-f-150-lighting-problem-changed-everything-electric-vehicles/
"Ford recently halted F-150 Lightning electric pickup production due to battery fire issues. The Blue Oval isn’t the first automaker to experience battery fire issues, and it won’t be the last.
Battery fires were such a huge issue for General Motors that the company had to issue a mass recall on the Chevy Bolt EV. The recall cost the company over one billion dollars. GM is looking to cut ties with LG following its battery fire issue.
The Ford F-150 Lightning’s battery problem is a huge issue for the EV space for two reasons. This incident makes drivers question the reliability of the electric vehicle. The second, more troubling reason that F-150 Lightning battery fires are a huge issue is because of the specific battery that’s a fire risk.
Battery fires were enough to make GM want to abandon its partnership with LG. It seems LG isn’t the only company that is producing EV batteries that can cause fires. According to CNBC, the F-150 Lightning models that are fire risks are powered by SK On batteries. These batteries power several popular electric vehicles, including the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6.
Why was the Ford F-150 Lightning recalled?
The Ford F-150 Lightning was recalled because of improperly produced battery cells that were made at SK On’s Georgia plant. The Blue Oval recalled 18 electric pickup trucks once it realized that the EVs made with the cells were at risk of causing battery fires.
This is the first major Ford F-150 Lightning reliability issue to date, so it’s rough news for fans of the electric pickup. The brand’s first electric vehicle, the Ford Mustang Mach-E, has recently been plagued with several reliability issues.
This small F-150 Lightning recall could change the way many consumers perceive the electric pickup truck. The Ford F-150 Lightning is currently the most popular electric pickup, but fear of battery fires or reliability issues could leave room for a competitor to overtake the EV. This incident will send shockwaves through the industry because yet another electric vehicle battery supplier is producing batteries that are potentially unstable.
Is the Ford F-150 Lightning a good truck?
A red 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning is driving off-road.
The 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning | Ford
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Recall Alert: Ford F-150 Lightning Batteries Are Catching on Fire"
This article seems a bit overly dramatic considering the issue was isolated to one group of batteries of which 18 were installed in new trucks and one caught fire. And none of those trucks had yet been delivered to buyers. Sounds like media trying to create a big story out of what is so far apparently an isolated issue. Maybe motorbisquit is anti EV. Or anti Ford.
Ford produced over 13,000 F150 EVs in 2022, apparently with no issues. And plans for 150,000 in 2023.
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BB_TX
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03/13/23 08:37pm |
Tow Vehicles
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