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Posted By: jjrbus on 08/07/22 05:46am

Too hot outside, so time on my hands to mull things over.

I find RV shower to be a pain. Trying to get the temperature right, wasting water on a limited supply, the dripping of the RV type shower head. If you know what I mean, you know what I mean.

Seems like a practical answer is a warm water tank, one that heats water to a reasonable temperature. Any such thing?


Posted By: Dusty R on 08/07/22 06:33am

It's been a long time, but I think I changed one once to a lower temperature setting. Removed and put in a different thermostat.


Posted By: midnightsadie on 08/07/22 07:13am

be nice if you could regulate the tank temp.


Posted By: wa8yxm on 08/07/22 07:48am

Tank temp is regulated usuallyu 120 degrees. You can get a higher temp t-stat for most makes.

The "Dripping shower head" if you use a shower head with a cut off and totaly cut it off then when you restore flow you tend to regret it (Too cold or too hot) but the DRIP tends to make is "normal" when you re-start flow (This is assuming a cut off valve in the shower line not the mixer valves)

There is also a temp, regulating mixer valve or several out there but I do not have a link.


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Posted By: jjrbus on 08/07/22 07:54am

Regulation would be perfect!

Thats what I was thinking, replacing the limit/temperature switches. But above my paygrade.

Did some looking around and 98 to 104 is the recommended temperature for showers by doctors, dermatologists etc. I believe the heaters are set at 130 degrees.


Posted By: Fulltimer50 on 08/07/22 08:08am

In the normal water heater configuration, the hot water from the heater is mixed with cold water from somewhere else. If all of the water comes from the heater, you are going to run out of warm water faster than if you mixed it.


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Posted By: BB_TX on 08/07/22 09:02am

Fulltimer50 wrote:

In the normal water heater configuration, the hot water from the heater is mixed with cold water from somewhere else. If all of the water comes from the heater, you are going to run out of warm water faster than if you mixed it.

^^^^ This ^^^^
If the water heater tank temperature was say 90 degrees, you would never be able to finish a shower with warm water.


Posted By: ktmrfs on 08/07/22 09:49am

the solution I've used in both of our trailers and a birthday gift to my brother

https://www.amazon.com/IMIKEYA-Thermostatic-Mixing-Connections-Temperature/dp/B08Z7PD833/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1SS7J6MKAYOQQ&keywords=imikeya+mixing+valve&qid=1659887296&sprefix=imikeya+mixing+valve%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-2


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Posted By: Skibane on 08/07/22 10:46am

Meh, if you're accustomed to taking "Navy showers", 5 gallons is plenty.

It's also another incentive to conserve water while dry-camped.

It probably wouldn't be all that difficult to adapt the adjustable thermostat from a residential electric water - i.e., something like this:

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Posted By: jjrbus on 08/07/22 12:21pm

Skibane wrote:

Meh, if you're accustomed to taking "Navy showers", 5 gallons is plenty.

It's also another incentive to conserve water while dry-camped.

It probably wouldn't be all that difficult to adapt the adjustable thermostat from a residential electric water - i.e., something like this:

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Interesting idea! Using 5 gallon of water for a shower is only when I have hook ups!!!!


Posted By: ScottG on 08/07/22 04:01pm

FYI, 5 gallons would be a lot in our experience. We spent last week without any sewer connection so I had to get creative. The only thing that went in the grey tank was shower water and after my wife and I took showers, I drained the tank into a container every morning and found we only used about 5 gallons total.
So ~2.5 gallons for a Navy shower (and we could probably do better).


Posted By: jjrbus on 08/07/22 07:25pm

I bought one of those Oxygencis rv shower heads that everyone is just madly in love with, greatest thing since sliced bread according to the forum.

It bypasses so much water I shower with it in the off position!


Posted By: steveh27 on 08/08/22 03:21am

I leave the water heater off, only turning it on 18-20 minutes before taking a shower. That gets the hot water to a temp I can use without cold water. It may take a few tries to figure out how long to leave it on. Saves a lot of water.


Posted By: jjrbus on 08/08/22 05:51am

I do the guessing game also, with how long on. Does not work when both the wife and I shower. I let her shower first and after a few minutes turn the heater off. Works sorta ok maybe but still wastes lots of water.


Posted By: JimK-NY on 08/08/22 06:26am

steveh27 wrote:

I leave the water heater off, only turning it on 18-20 minutes before taking a shower. That gets the hot water to a temp I can use without cold water. It may take a few tries to figure out how long to leave it on. Saves a lot of water.


I have been doing the same thing for 10 plus years since I first started to RV. I have a battery operated kitchen timer that I use. As mentioned the time for shower hot water is about 20 minutes, plus or minus 5 depending on the temperature of water in the tank. I can fine tune the temperature by checking at my kitchen faucet. I waste very little water because the tank is close to that faucet. I then shower with hot water. There is a little waste because of the distance between the HW tank and shower. Even so I only need about 1 gallon for a Navy type shower. My wife is about the same unless she washes her hair which can mean another half gallon for a thorough rinse. We never use hot water for dish washing. Instead we use a dishpan with hot water heated for a few minutes in a tea kettle.


Posted By: valhalla360 on 08/08/22 08:56am

Fulltimer50 wrote:

In the normal water heater configuration, the hot water from the heater is mixed with cold water from somewhere else. If all of the water comes from the heater, you are going to run out of warm water faster than if you mixed it.


This is the real problem with lowering the hot water heater temp.

Mix 130f water with 60F cold water, to get 100F water at the shower head. With a 6gal water tank, you can probably keep that up for around 8-10gal before so much cold water has been mixed into the hot water tank, that the hot water tank is putting out water below 100F.

If you start with 100F hot water tank, as soon as you start pulling water, the hot water tank starts dropping below 100F quickly getting progressively colder since it's pulling 60F water from the fresh tank to replace the "hot" water used. If there is only 1 of you and you do a 2gal navy shower, that may be acceptable as it will probably only be down in the upper-80's by the time you are done.

If you have room, you could install a separate 5gal tank (or pick the size you think is suitable for showering) with it's own fresh water pump. Fill the reservoir, with a mix of hot and cold water of the desired amount and temperature. Then using the secondary pump plumbed to the shower, you can take a shower off the reservoir tank with a constant temp...at least until it runs out.

Seems like more hassle than it's worth but it should work.


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Posted By: prichardson on 08/10/22 07:24am

There are mixing valves available. They are plumbed in between the hot and cold water line and the output is tempered. Most have adjustable output temperature.


Posted By: Cummins12V98 on 08/10/22 09:10am

jjrbus wrote:

I bought one of those Oxygencis rv shower heads that everyone is just madly in love with, greatest thing since sliced bread according to the forum.

It bypasses so much water I shower with it in the off position!


You need to add an inline shutoff. Works great!


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Posted By: jjrbus on 08/11/22 03:55am

Cummins12V98 wrote:

jjrbus wrote:

I bought one of those Oxygencis rv shower heads that everyone is just madly in love with, greatest thing since sliced bread according to the forum.

It bypasses so much water I shower with it in the off position!


You need to add an inline shutoff. Works great!


Adding an inline shutoff defeats the purpose of spending the big bucks for an RV specific shower head.


Posted By: Dutch_12078 on 08/11/22 06:20am

jjrbus wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

jjrbus wrote:

I bought one of those Oxygencis rv shower heads that everyone is just madly in love with, greatest thing since sliced bread according to the forum.

It bypasses so much water I shower with it in the off position!


You need to add an inline shutoff. Works great!


Adding an inline shutoff defeats the purpose of spending the big bucks for an RV specific shower head.


Our Camco shower head has a positive shut off...

Camco 43712 RV Shower Head with On/Off Switch


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Posted By: C Schomer on 08/11/22 09:02pm

My 10 gal. Atwood was fixed at 140 and it was touchy to set at an unpainful temp so I used the control in the previous picture and wired it in serious with the oem temp control and set it at 120. Now the oem 140 control is the hi limit. Our shower head shutoff valve works fine and both of us can easily take the showers we like, one right after the other.
Then the 14 yo element bit it, so I used a folded-over style 240vac 4500w element. Now it is SUPER low watt density and pulls <10 amps and it still heats plenty fast. Craig

* This post was edited 08/11/22 09:13pm by C Schomer *


Posted By: Skibane on 08/12/22 01:13am

^I'm surprised that you could squeeze a folded heating element in there.

It'll probably outlive your great-great grandchildren. [emoticon]


Posted By: C Schomer on 08/18/22 12:12pm

They are made to fit thru the 1" pipe hole. Craig
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Posted By: bighatnohorse on 08/19/22 09:05am

steveh27 wrote:

I leave the water heater off, only turning it on 18-20 minutes before taking a shower. That gets the hot water to a temp I can use without cold water. It may take a few tries to figure out how long to leave it on. Saves a lot of water.


Is that using GAS or ELECTRIC?

When using gas to heat the water, I figure about 12 minutes to reach comfortable hot shower water.
Electric seems to take a little more time.


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Posted By: Sjm9911 on 08/19/22 02:40pm

I think some use something like this
https://www.google.com/search?q=mixing+valve+for+camper+shower+to.regulaate+temp&oq=mixing+valve+for+camper+shower+to.regulaate+temp&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i10i160l2.12309j0j4&client=ms-android-att-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#oshopproduct=gid:17031744422212463474,mid:576462679379661889,oid:16818771997018407337,iid:8973696960797328739,pvt[emoticon]g&oshop=apv
I never installed one though.


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