MEXICOWANDERER
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After suffering 11-years of near debilitating shoulders pain this year is radically different. 0 pain. Location, diet, health, habits, and routines are the same. The single significant difference is a supplemental 5,000 of vitamin D3. COVID19 aside I'll settle for the shoulders relief. Because not even steroid injections and butazolodin (banned by the FDA) relieved the pain. Phenylbutazone carrys a significant risk and must be monitored with precise discipline.
Great Britain is carrying out a rather rude head-to-head test of vaccines. Willing and paid participants who are selected for excellent health are to be double blind controlled. They will receive vaccine each from a different manufacturer. A few weeks will pass to build immunity. Then nasal swabs will deliberately apply multiple doses of live COVID. This has generated controversy among medical entities and the population at large but nevertheless the study as of this date is still valid for launch. The average age of the control group is in the 20's and early 30's. The report mentioned Oxford University but did not mention AstraZeneca nor the AZ1233 British vaccine. No mention either of the Russian Sputnik or Chinese Sino vaccines. There seems to be a distinct abrupt limitation of further information. Sadly no mention of study group amount of compensation. But it's a Royal Health Institute program so it isn't a hoax.
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silversand
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gtla9111 wrote:Thanks for the link. I watched the video and will be sharing it. "The cavalry is on its way ".
Still not sure why people aren't wearing masks. Why would doctors wear them if they were truly useless? We're fanatics about this and rightly so. We haven't been to a restaurant since March and no visitors to the house.
Cheers, Chris.
We did a large quantity of outdoor activity this summer, up till the weather got seriously cold at end of September. Literally all our food since returning from Florida end of March, was phone order-to-door delivery, and after the mandatory quarantine on return, curb-side pick-up. No restaurants, no visits by anyone into our house since March, however, we did do outdoor bonfires on occasion at our immediate neighbors' back yard (two couples total; we have huge properties here with lots of space, our neighbors were in Florida with us, and we returned at same time, everyone quarantining).
We did camp in our backyard (we have our own private campsite on our property, in the forest, with all the hook-ups), and, at a local National Park 30 kilometers away, but the lots are enormous, and we are pretty well self-contained. We only found out recently (3 weeks ago) that 2 of our friends had contracted Covid (1 works in a hospital environment); both survived but not without a long-ish recovery.
My better half was a pandemic planner for many, many years (for one of the largest trans-nationals on Earth), so we were extremely well equipped at home for quite a few years now, for a possible Global catastrophe.
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silversand
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Mexicowanderer wrote:Great Britain is carrying out a rather rude head-to-head test of vaccines...
...the Irish company Open Orphan (the subsid. is hVIVO), will be starting their characterization study (a very limited 18 to 30 cohort) sometime in January or February, to test the efficacy of three vaccine candidates. The UK government has an HRA ethics committee (vaccine taskforce) that I think is still in deliberation on this human challenge initiative.
The Royal Free Hospital will be the residence for (compensated) participants.
The three vaccine candidates to be used are yet unknown (to me).
....the compensation is said to be set at an amount that will not "appear" to be coercive.
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pianotuna
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Hi all,
This is not yet peer reviewed but it is nice to have good news.
It does take 30 seconds to work.
"Mouthwashes containing the ingredient cetylpyridinium chloride ‘show promising signs’ of reducing COVID-19 in saliva, according to lab tests
Preliminary findings from research conducted at Cardiff University found that mouthwashes containing 0.07% of cetylpyridinium chloride showed "promising signs" of reducing COVID-19. The research did not involve human trials and findings have yet to be peer-reviewed. The results come ahead of a 12-week clinical trial at the University Hospital of Wales that will investigate whether over-the-counter mouthwash can reduce the levels of COVID-19 in a patient's saliva."
Regards, Don
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MEXICOWANDERER
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Thanks for the update on the challenge ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile") Since young people are being hired I have few qualms about the particular ethics. Fifty years ago given the chance I might have found myself in line. Some of the mass serums they gave us for Viet Nam caused days and days of arm pain and illness.
Pianotuna sir. At least here in México Listerine has launched an aggressive campaign to distance itself as a prophylaxis for COVID 19. IN SHORT: There are no studies that show any benefit in the prevention or treatment of COVID19. Given a high enough or sustained intake of the virus directly to the respiratory tract it puzzles me to encompass how a mouthwash could influence development of a viral pathogen. Listerine's prompt reaction was most ethical IMO.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/oxford-c........une-response-among-all-adults-study.html
Noteworthy is the fact that both the serum and manufacturing process are patented
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silversand
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Mexicowanderer wrote:Since young people are being hired I have few qualms about the particular ethics.
...the accepted individuals will be housed in a BSL3 sector in that hospital, and will be monitored 24/7 for the duration. Probably among the most highly monitored and attended-to "medical patients" on Earth during "the challenge".
Mexicowanderer wrote:Fifty years ago given the chance I might have found myself in line.
I read that 20 to 30 thousand individuals are ready to "volunteer" at a moment's notice, for any Covid vaccine challenge trials, without compensation.
On edit: this is the volunteer hub for global challenge trial advocacy and, actual trial participation; have a look at their impressive advisory board, alumni and team: here--> . This isn't a fringe movement and initiative.
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MEXICOWANDERER
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https://immunology.sciencemag.org/content/5/53/eabe8063
T cell functions with regard to early responses to COVID-19 detection.
And lifetime memory.
I am hoping for the mapping of T cell construction characteristics which can enable designer mutation against a plethora of deadly diseases. Imagine a world minus rhinoviruses and influenza like H5N1 the nightmare.
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Just a reminder that this thread is intended to provide the latest reliable information on the virus and possible/probable ways to curb and/or eliminate the virus. Also keep in mind, that as we go through this we will learn some recommendations of the early stages may no longer hold true so let's not rehash, or point fingers, regarding those past events. We still have a long way to go, and will be learning more about what works and doesn't work.
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MEXICOWANDERER
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I am curious to see how Thanksgiving actually pans out. Real numbers. We seem to be getting close to a release of vaccine here in Mexico. Has anyone seen different numbers (28) for the number of days needed after vaccination for a vaccine to build sufficient immunity? Getting jabbed is not instant immunity. I hope there are programs to be instituted that will educate people to that fact.
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