Closest i’ve seen to what we want is Airstream, but they seem ridiculously overpriced.
Looking outside the US, of course there are some amazing options, all in the $30-40k range equivalent. Where are the US manufacturers who can come close to this?
http://www.adria-mobil.com/caravans/alpina/
or this
http://www.coachman.co.uk/vip
The fit and finish, interior quality all seem lightyears beyond what we have available here. And they’re around half the price of an equivalent Airstream
Anyone know if anyone is importing these anytime soon?
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Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
White or other light color interiors to help show dirt when the kids come in from playing in the mud.
They serve their purpose in Europe where tow vehicles have much lower tow ratings, power is 3 times the price and campground sites are a fraction of the size of American ones.
Style is subjective. The average buyer particularly among bigger units are older and more conservative, so they probably aren't interested in the modern look.
You might try something like the rpod for a similar look.
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valhalla360 wrote:
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
White or other light color interiors to help show dirt when the kids come in from playing in the mud.
They serve their purpose in Europe where tow vehicles have much lower tow ratings, power is 3 times the price and campground sites are a fraction of the size of American ones.
Style is subjective. The average buyer particularly among bigger units are older and more conservative, so they probably aren't interested in the modern look.
You might try something like the rpod for a similar look.
Have to agree with the statement (The average buyer particularly among bigger units are older and more conservative).Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
White or other light color interiors to help show dirt when the kids come in from playing in the mud.
They serve their purpose in Europe where tow vehicles have much lower tow ratings, power is 3 times the price and campground sites are a fraction of the size of American ones.
Style is subjective. The average buyer particularly among bigger units are older and more conservative, so they probably aren't interested in the modern look.
You might try something like the rpod for a similar look.
I looked at a DRV and did not care for the 80's interior. Love the build quality of the unit I seen but that was several years ago.
Carriage had a very modern interior designed model and it did not sell well.
valhalla360 wrote:
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you?
![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/scratchead.gif "scratchead")
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
![[image]](https://i.imgur.com/NOEl0xLl.jpg)
![[image]](https://i.imgur.com/6Pn1qB0l.jpg)
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of.
![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/rolleyes.gif "rolleyes")
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SoundGuy wrote:
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America.
valhalla360 wrote:
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America.
You are aware that Australia isn't in Europe right? The OP asked about European RVs.
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SoundGuy wrote:
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of. The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
valhalla360 wrote:
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of.
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality. Yes, I have...hence my post.
When did Australia get moved to Europe?
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter. Which is fine if it meets your needs but when you have small areas it's amazing what an extra foot of width will do to the feeling of space.
valhalla360 wrote:
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
SoundGuy wrote:
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America.
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America.
mgirardo wrote:
You are aware that Australia isn't in Europe right? The OP asked about European RVs.
You are aware that Australia isn't in Europe right? The OP asked about European RVs.
The OP said - "Looking outside the US, of course there are some amazing options, all in the $30-40k range equivalent. Where are the US manufacturers who can come close to this?"
Answer - you can't, but aside from in Europe itself you can find them Downunder, where European style caravans are the norm. My wife being Australian, we've been many times so yeah, I'd say I have some idea as to where Australia is.
![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/doh.gif "doh")
Americans could enjoy these well designed, well made campers as well ... EXCEPT for the fact they're not willing to pay for them.
valhalla360 wrote:
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/tongue.gif "tongue")
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SoundGuy wrote:
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
valhalla360 wrote:
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
There is no ignorance they are generally narrower and shorter.
The why is really irrelevant. The euro models are smaller than US models.
I do like some of the materials and finishes they use, but at the end of the day I see the Euro units as tight and cramped vs. what we have readily available in the US.
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saw one large class a at an airport, frankfort IIRC everything else were TTs and class Cs.
stopped at a dealer and wasn't impressed.
my friend had a C and I was impressed with the cabinetry that appeared to be formica, not US fake wood vinyl shelf paper.
had the windows that were plastic, hinged at the top, with shades/screens depending on which way you pulled them.
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FWIW, I'm also waiting and watching these guys since the person who launched Livinlite works there now...mostly small toy haulers, but good quality, and maybe they'll consider designing something bigger.
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SoundGuy wrote:
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
valhalla360 wrote:
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
A classic case of making false assumptions. I'm well versed in Metric vs English units, I spend 3-4 months in Europe per year and we have considered picking up an RV over there, so we've done some shopping there along with talking to the Campers who stayed at the marina where our boat was.
Narrower is still narrower and when the "oversize" American units are small living, seemingly small reductions in size make a big difference.
As far as our pickups being too big...only in city centers. Ironically, we just got back from a month in Amsterdam and 1/2 ton Dodges were a dime a dozen. What was really surprising was they weren't the small diesel models. Every one I saw was the V8 Hemi's. And this was in the city proper, not out in the country.
Your answer will explain why they aren't here.
valhalla360 wrote:
Narrower is still narrower and when the "oversize" American units are small living, seemingly small reductions in size make a big difference.
Narrower is still narrower and when the "oversize" American units are small living, seemingly small reductions in size make a big difference.
yep, remember the ballyhoo when our rvs expanded from 8 to 8 1/2 ft wide.
bumpy
SoundGuy wrote:
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of. The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
valhalla360 wrote:
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of.
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality. 1956 called. They want their interior and styling back.
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goducks10 wrote:
There's the meat and potatoes crowd and then there's the fine wine and cheese crowd.
There's the meat and potatoes crowd and then there's the fine wine and cheese crowd.
![[image]](https://i.imgur.com/hk1QhWWl.jpg)
This thread reminds me of this movie! LOL
For about 20 years, a Canadian manufacturer adapted a Euro-style travel trailer line to the North American market (adding things like toilets with holding tanks), but not many buyers considered it worth giving up the larger living space, so the company folded.
Closest you might come today would be Lance, which is building a line of relatively light TTs using Euro construction technology, but these are still coming with North American feature sets (slideouts, flush toilets, air conditioning) rather than the more limited features of Euro campers.
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Proteus wrote:
After going to a few RV shows, it’s just incredibly frustating that we can’t seem to find a travel trailer that doesn’t look and feel like it was designed back in the 80’s.
Closest i’ve seen to what we want is Airstream, but they seem ridiculously overpriced.
Looking outside the US, of course there are some amazing options, all in the $30-40k range equivalent. Where are the US manufacturers who can come close to this?
http://www.adria-mobil.com/caravans/alpina/
or this
http://www.coachman.co.uk/vip
The fit and finish, interior quality all seem lightyears beyond what we have available here. And they’re around half the price of an equivalent Airstream
Anyone know if anyone is importing these anytime soon?
After going to a few RV shows, it’s just incredibly frustating that we can’t seem to find a travel trailer that doesn’t look and feel like it was designed back in the 80’s.
Closest i’ve seen to what we want is Airstream, but they seem ridiculously overpriced.
Looking outside the US, of course there are some amazing options, all in the $30-40k range equivalent. Where are the US manufacturers who can come close to this?
http://www.adria-mobil.com/caravans/alpina/
or this
http://www.coachman.co.uk/vip
The fit and finish, interior quality all seem lightyears beyond what we have available here. And they’re around half the price of an equivalent Airstream
Anyone know if anyone is importing these anytime soon?
Try a Lance, they've European looking
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normal_dave wrote:
FWIW, I'm also waiting and watching these guys since the person who launched Livinlite works there now...mostly small toy haulers, but good quality, and maybe they'll consider designing something bigger.
InTechRV
FWIW, I'm also waiting and watching these guys since the person who launched Livinlite works there now...mostly small toy haulers, but good quality, and maybe they'll consider designing something bigger.
InTechRV
Hey, the plot thickens...from deep in the Facebook page of IntechRV, they hint at a new product line called "Sol", to be released in September. All aluminum frame, up to 16' box, tandem axle, inside bath, kitchen, stand-up headroom, I predict this will be worth paying attention to for those wanting a small, quality travel trailer at a reasonable price.
inTechRV Facebook
InTech RV Stay tuned, at the end of this summer we will be introducing a new line called Sol, it will be available in 13' and 16' lengths (box length) and will have a bathroom and interior kitchen...same incredible look at a Luna, but with standup headroom and a few other incredible surprises!!
And I just quoted myself...
SoundGuy wrote:
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of. The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
valhalla360 wrote:
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of.
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality. You got most of that right. Although our Caravans are far from European, being built for much more serious abuse and we have SLIDES. Interiors tend to be shinier than Euro Caravans they tend too have a light wood look
Nonone tows with a V6 Gas engine. They are also 3 litre diesels
* This post was edited 06/10/18 04:58pm by RobertRyan *
valhalla360 wrote:
Yes, I have...hence my post.
When did Australia get moved to Europe?
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter. Which is fine if it meets your needs but when you have small areas it's amazing what an extra foot of width will do to the feeling of space.
SoundGuy wrote:
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of. The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
valhalla360 wrote:
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of.
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality. Yes, I have...hence my post.
When did Australia get moved to Europe?
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter. Which is fine if it meets your needs but when you have small areas it's amazing what an extra foot of width will do to the feeling of space.
Narower and shorter for a reason. You can get 35ft triple axles
Lantley wrote:
There is no ignorance they are generally narrower and shorter.
The why is really irrelevant. The euro models are smaller than US models.
I do like some of the materials and finishes they use, but at the end of the day I see the Euro units as tight and cramped vs. what we have readily available in the US.
SoundGuy wrote:
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
valhalla360 wrote:
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
There is no ignorance they are generally narrower and shorter.
The why is really irrelevant. The euro models are smaller than US models.
I do like some of the materials and finishes they use, but at the end of the day I see the Euro units as tight and cramped vs. what we have readily available in the US.
Size is totally irrelevant You can get 35ft 5th wheelers here with Euro type interiors
RobertRyan wrote:
You got most of that right. Although our Caravans are far from European, being built for much more serious abuse and we have SLIDES. Interiors tend to be shinier than Euro Caravans they tend too have a light wood look
Nonone tows with a V6 Gas engine. They are all 3 litre diesels
SoundGuy wrote:
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of. The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
valhalla360 wrote:
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of.
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality. You got most of that right. Although our Caravans are far from European, being built for much more serious abuse and we have SLIDES. Interiors tend to be shinier than Euro Caravans they tend too have a light wood look
Nonone tows with a V6 Gas engine. They are all 3 litre diesels
seaeagle2 wrote:
We spent 2 weeks on a road trip from Sydney to the 12 Apostles and back up through the Blue Mountains with week in Malua Bay with our Australian friends. We saw 2 full size American style pickups, but tons of Utes. Our friend has a Diesel Mazda B50. Basically a Ranger size dual cab 4X4 with a flatbed that looks like the beds on the Home Depot rental trucks. Australia is full of Caravan parks, we were there in the Spring before school let out so most were still empty.
We spent 2 weeks on a road trip from Sydney to the 12 Apostles and back up through the Blue Mountains with week in Malua Bay with our Australian friends. We saw 2 full size American style pickups, but tons of Utes. Our friend has a Diesel Mazda B50. Basically a Ranger size dual cab 4X4 with a flatbed that looks like the beds on the Home Depot rental trucks. Australia is full of Caravan parks, we were there in the Spring before school let out so most were still empty.
As I have said before US full size Pickups have really struggled here
There are NO Gas powered Mazda BT50's, Mazda roughly the same size as a 2003 F150
RobertRyan wrote:
Size is totally irrelevant You can get 35ft 5th wheelers here with Euro type interiors
Lantley wrote:
There is no ignorance they are generally narrower and shorter.
The why is really irrelevant. The euro models are smaller than US models.
I do like some of the materials and finishes they use, but at the end of the day I see the Euro units as tight and cramped vs. what we have readily available in the US.
SoundGuy wrote:
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
valhalla360 wrote:
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
There is no ignorance they are generally narrower and shorter.
The why is really irrelevant. The euro models are smaller than US models.
I do like some of the materials and finishes they use, but at the end of the day I see the Euro units as tight and cramped vs. what we have readily available in the US.
Size is totally irrelevant You can get 35ft 5th wheelers here with Euro type interiors
Are they 35'x 102" wide with 5 slides?
But that is not the reason they are not imported. Basically the TT market wants was big as they can afford. Most of the RVs at the spring shows were 30+ foot 5vers. Great for mom, dad and two kids.
We do not have the need for smaller. We buy smaller because we like smaller or we can't afford bigger.
It is market driven and there is not enough market to entice the foreign makers.
Be safe and enjoy the journey.
Twenty six foot 2010 Dutchmen Lite pulled with a 2011 EcoBoost F-150 4x4.
Just right for Grandpa, Grandma and the dog.
Lantley wrote:
Are they 35'x 102" wide with 5 slides?
RobertRyan wrote:
Size is totally irrelevant You can get 35ft 5th wheelers here with Euro type interiors
Lantley wrote:
There is no ignorance they are generally narrower and shorter.
The why is really irrelevant. The euro models are smaller than US models.
I do like some of the materials and finishes they use, but at the end of the day I see the Euro units as tight and cramped vs. what we have readily available in the US.
SoundGuy wrote:
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
valhalla360 wrote:
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
There is no ignorance they are generally narrower and shorter.
The why is really irrelevant. The euro models are smaller than US models.
I do like some of the materials and finishes they use, but at the end of the day I see the Euro units as tight and cramped vs. what we have readily available in the US.
Size is totally irrelevant You can get 35ft 5th wheelers here with Euro type interiors
Are they 35'x 102" wide with 5 slides?
Yes relative to what people NEED. That would NOT impress people here. They need something that can be easly moved from location too location. None goes to one location on holiday
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
1956 called. They want their interior and styling back.
SoundGuy wrote:
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of. The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
valhalla360 wrote:
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you ever used a euro-RV?
Low ceilings, narrow, no slides, no air/con, cassette toilet, etc...
Have you?
I posted in another concurrent thread these pics of an Australian caravan ...
These beautifully constructed caravans hardly meet your erroneous description of so-called European styled campers, other than to say that slides are not favoured as they are here in N America. Quality of construction far surpasses what is produced here and even smaller units are fully featured, very often including built in washing machines, collapsing dinette table pedestals, huge windows, huge skylights, designer style lavatories that NA manufacturers could only dream of.
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality. 1956 called. They want their interior and styling back.
Us RV interiors would have people screaming here ergonomic disasters and so dark
RobertRyan wrote:
Yes relative to what people NEED. That would NOT impress people here. They need something that can be easly moved from location too location. None goes to one location on holiday
Lantley wrote:
Are they 35'x 102" wide with 5 slides?
RobertRyan wrote:
Size is totally irrelevant You can get 35ft 5th wheelers here with Euro type interiors
Lantley wrote:
There is no ignorance they are generally narrower and shorter.
The why is really irrelevant. The euro models are smaller than US models.
I do like some of the materials and finishes they use, but at the end of the day I see the Euro units as tight and cramped vs. what we have readily available in the US.
SoundGuy wrote:
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
valhalla360 wrote:
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
There is no ignorance they are generally narrower and shorter.
The why is really irrelevant. The euro models are smaller than US models.
I do like some of the materials and finishes they use, but at the end of the day I see the Euro units as tight and cramped vs. what we have readily available in the US.
Size is totally irrelevant You can get 35ft 5th wheelers here with Euro type interiors
Are they 35'x 102" wide with 5 slides?
Yes relative to what people NEED. That would NOT impress people here. They need something that can be easly moved from location too location. None goes to one location on holiday
I'm not sure we have 5 slide trailers here to impress anyone.There are plenty of people traveling all over the country with 40' plus trailers. These trailers routinely have 3-5 slides on them. They are moved easily from location to location with full size diesel pickup trucks.
They are not taken to just one location.
I imagine our RV's are not built/assembled as well as those down under, however I'll stick by my comments that they a generally larger and more spacious.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
1956 called. They want their interior and styling back.
1956 called. They want their interior and styling back.
Lol. One person's "modern" is another person's old-fashioned.
I though "Euro" styling was an 80's thing that never really caught on.
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Lantley wrote:
I'm not sure we have 5 slide trailers here to impress anyone.There are plenty of people traveling all over the country with 40' plus trailers. These trailers routinely have 3-5 slides on them. They are moved easily from location to location with full size diesel pickup trucks.
They are not taken to just one location.
I imagine our RV's are not built/assembled as well as those down under, however I'll stick by my comments that they a generally larger and more spacious.
RobertRyan wrote:
Yes relative to what people NEED. That would NOT impress people here. They need something that can be easly moved from location too location. None goes to one location on holiday
Lantley wrote:
Are they 35'x 102" wide with 5 slides?
RobertRyan wrote:
Size is totally irrelevant You can get 35ft 5th wheelers here with Euro type interiors
Lantley wrote:
There is no ignorance they are generally narrower and shorter.
The why is really irrelevant. The euro models are smaller than US models.
I do like some of the materials and finishes they use, but at the end of the day I see the Euro units as tight and cramped vs. what we have readily available in the US.
SoundGuy wrote:
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
valhalla360 wrote:
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
And check out the specs on the Aussie models. They are generally narrower and shorter.
A classic case of ignorance, caravans are built using metric measure, 2390 mm being a common trailer width i.e. 7.8 feet, not chosen because it offers some magical advantage over 8' but simply because that's what works well in metric measure. As in Europe caravan owners aren't dragging around 30'+ monsters because V6 powered mid size vehicles are the preferred choice for towing, necessary because 1/2 ton and larger vehicles as we have here in N America are simply too big. You may not like it but believe it or not there is a world out there beyond the US borders where the vast majority of the world often does things differently than in the US. Get used to it.
There is no ignorance they are generally narrower and shorter.
The why is really irrelevant. The euro models are smaller than US models.
I do like some of the materials and finishes they use, but at the end of the day I see the Euro units as tight and cramped vs. what we have readily available in the US.
Size is totally irrelevant You can get 35ft 5th wheelers here with Euro type interiors
Are they 35'x 102" wide with 5 slides?
Yes relative to what people NEED. That would NOT impress people here. They need something that can be easly moved from location too location. None goes to one location on holiday
I'm not sure we have 5 slide trailers here to impress anyone.There are plenty of people traveling all over the country with 40' plus trailers. These trailers routinely have 3-5 slides on them. They are moved easily from location to location with full size diesel pickup trucks.
They are not taken to just one location.
I imagine our RV's are not built/assembled as well as those down under, however I'll stick by my comments that they a generally larger and more spacious.
It is the overall package, not just slides.
In that case US trailers fail.miserably. Yes build quality, interiors , off roadability all are factors
wnjj wrote:
Lol. One person's "modern" is another person's old-fashioned.
I though "Euro" styling was an 80's thing that never really caught on.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
1956 called. They want their interior and styling back.
1956 called. They want their interior and styling back.
Lol. One person's "modern" is another person's old-fashioned.
I though "Euro" styling was an 80's thing that never really caught on.
In the US. Dark interiors and poor ergonomica, build quality have never caught on here
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Proteus wrote:
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
AS you said they are popular so they are worth it to some/many.
However like many of the Euro and Aussie models poste,
they lack slides and interior space that the majority of RV'ers are looking for.
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This is a nicely made trailer. Lance 1575
Lantley wrote:
AS you said they are popular so they are worth it to some/many.
However like many of the Euro and Aussie models poste,
they lack slides and interior space that the majority of RV'ers are looking for.
Proteus wrote:
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
AS you said they are popular so they are worth it to some/many.
However like many of the Euro and Aussie models poste,
they lack slides and interior space that the majority of RV'ers are looking for.
No Europeans Do not have slides. We have multislides
RobertRyan wrote:
No Europeans Do not have slides. We have multislides
Lantley wrote:
AS you said they are popular so they are worth it to some/many.
However like many of the Euro and Aussie models poste,
they lack slides and interior space that the majority of RV'ers are looking for.
Proteus wrote:
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
AS you said they are popular so they are worth it to some/many.
However like many of the Euro and Aussie models poste,
they lack slides and interior space that the majority of RV'ers are looking for.
No Europeans Do not have slides. We have multislides
Great I'm glad to hear all your models are not small and cramped.
On the other hand overall, I do think most of our models are poorly assembled.
Nevertheless I don't see Aussie models transforming the US market nor do I see US models transforming the Aussie market.
There are too many other factors that differentiate the two markets besides floorplans.
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On the other hand overall, I do think most of our models are poorly assembled.
On the other hand overall, I do think most of our models are poorly assembled.
After looking at a few US 5th wheelers could not agree more.
That is what lets US RV' s down is a pretty slapdash finish. .Then you can throw in colours etc and you get a NO SALE
2018 Jayco White Hawk 28RL
trailer_newbe wrote:
So far....YUK ??
So far....YUK ??
Yes have heard that expression regarding US RV's. European ones they are not as negative.
Some actually do last.
T@B 400
Alto (Canadian)
Oliver (very nice but pricey)
Park Liner
And I'm so excited to see that the Hymer USA's Touring GT trailer(s) are hitting the dealers. I have yet to see one in stock, but they're accepting orders.
Me '62, DH '59, DS '89, DD '90, DD '92
1 shih tzu
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Lantley wrote:
AS you said they are popular so they are worth it to some/many.
However like many of the Euro and Aussie models poste,
they lack slides and interior space that the majority of RV'ers are looking for.
Proteus wrote:
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
AS you said they are popular so they are worth it to some/many.
However like many of the Euro and Aussie models poste,
they lack slides and interior space that the majority of RV'ers are looking for.
Do not know if I said this before but Australia Caravans have slides, European ones do not. US Travel Trailers are dark and poor ergonomically.
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RobertRyan wrote:
Do not know if I said this before but Australia Caravans have slides, European ones do not. US Travel Trailers are dark and poor ergonomically.
Lantley wrote:
AS you said they are popular so they are worth it to some/many.
However like many of the Euro and Aussie models poste,
they lack slides and interior space that the majority of RV'ers are looking for.
Proteus wrote:
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
AS you said they are popular so they are worth it to some/many.
However like many of the Euro and Aussie models poste,
they lack slides and interior space that the majority of RV'ers are looking for.
Do not know if I said this before but Australia Caravans have slides, European ones do not. US Travel Trailers are dark and poor ergonomically.
wow, do they have any issues with that one very long slideout? I don't understand your comment on the lack of ergonomics, when buying a RV I always imagine myself doing needed tasks, standing in shower, watching TV, etc. If it doesn't work, I don't buy it.
bumpy
Proteus wrote:
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
Rather frustrating that one domestic manufacturer, Airstream, knows how to do interiors properly. They're popular so clearly people like them. But those interiors aren't worth the 100k asking price. A mid-high end manufacturer like Lance should be able to do the same? Instead, we just get "grandma's kitchen"...
Here's an idea for you that would be less expensive than paying the premium for an Airstream. Find a trailer that has the basic layout you like, then re-fit the interior to whatever suits your tastes.
The truth is, these little homes on wheels are actually pretty small, so the list of materials for an interior re-fit is minimal. Do it yourself, and it would be a fun project with results that would make YOU happy.
Bumproad wrote:
wow, do they have any issues with that one very long slideout? I don't understand your comment on the lack of ergonomics, when buying a RV I always imagine myself doing needed tasks, standing in shower, watching TV, etc. If it doesn't work, I don't buy it.
bumpy
wow, do they have any issues with that one very long slideout? I don't understand your comment on the lack of ergonomics, when buying a RV I always imagine myself doing needed tasks, standing in shower, watching TV, etc. If it doesn't work, I don't buy it.
bumpy
It is how effective the interior layouts are. Europeans do a very good job with no slides.
As far as the slides go, others have similar on Motorhomes as well
SoundGuy wrote:
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
That's a travel trailer (or Caravan) not a camper.
A camper is something that's hauled in a truck, i.e., Truck camper
Bob
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SoundGuy wrote:
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
trail-explorer wrote:
That's a travel trailer (or Caravan) not a camper.
A camper is something that's hauled in a truck, i.e., Truck camper
That's a travel trailer (or Caravan) not a camper.
A camper is something that's hauled in a truck, i.e., Truck camper
Baloney - a "camper" is anything with wheels designed for the purpose of camping that you want it to be - popup, hybrid, travel trailer, TC, 5th, MH, whatever, or in places like Australia a car camper, poptop, caravan, whatever you want to call them - they're ALL campers.
SoundGuy wrote:
Baloney - a "camper" is anything with wheels designed for the purpose of camping that you want it to be - popup, hybrid, travel trailer, TC, 5th, MH, whatever, or in places like Australia a car camper, poptop, caravan, whatever you want to call them - they're ALL campers.
Baloney - a "camper" is anything with wheels designed for the purpose of camping that you want it to be - popup, hybrid, travel trailer, TC, 5th, MH, whatever, or in places like Australia a car camper, poptop, caravan, whatever you want to call them - they're ALL campers.
a "camper" is something you camp in.
JMHO
bumpy
But for those who like to complain about TTs, it is another option.
Your money, your choice.
Black Series Campers
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normal_dave wrote:
Looks like we have an importer setup in the US now for these. Ran across them on another forum. Can't believe I wasn't up to speed on these... Curious if RobertRyan has any knowledge of the parent company?
Black Series Campers
Looks like we have an importer setup in the US now for these. Ran across them on another forum. Can't believe I wasn't up to speed on these... Curious if RobertRyan has any knowledge of the parent company?
Black Series Campers
They make these in China, not many Australians like the Chinese input.There was another made in China Caravan called Gold Star Chinese have decimated the basic camper trailer industry. Manufacturers have gone to more value added Hybrid Caravans
They are in a Australian style, but are dodgy in hidden areas. Hate to say it but these are better than the US imports
* This post was edited 08/13/18 03:16pm by RobertRyan *
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SoundGuy wrote:
Baloney - a "camper" is anything with wheels designed for the purpose of camping that you want it to be - popup, hybrid, travel trailer, TC, 5th, MH, whatever, or in places like Australia a car camper, poptop, caravan, whatever you want to call them - they're ALL campers.
SoundGuy wrote:
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality.
trail-explorer wrote:
That's a travel trailer (or Caravan) not a camper.
A camper is something that's hauled in a truck, i.e., Truck camper
That's a travel trailer (or Caravan) not a camper.
A camper is something that's hauled in a truck, i.e., Truck camper
Baloney - a "camper" is anything with wheels designed for the purpose of camping that you want it to be - popup, hybrid, travel trailer, TC, 5th, MH, whatever, or in places like Australia a car camper, poptop, caravan, whatever you want to call them - they're ALL campers.
Yup, anything you can easily move around and sleep in that isn't a tent is a camper.
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RobertRyan wrote:
They make these in China, not many Australians like the Chinese input.There was another made in China Caravan called Gold Star Chinese have decimated the basic camper trailer industry. Manufacturers have gone to more value added Hybrid Caravans
They are in a Australian style, but are dodgy in hidden areas. Hate to say it but these are better than the US imports
That last sentence says it all
They make these in China, not many Australians like the Chinese input.There was another made in China Caravan called Gold Star Chinese have decimated the basic camper trailer industry. Manufacturers have gone to more value added Hybrid Caravans
They are in a Australian style, but are dodgy in hidden areas. Hate to say it but these are better than the US imports
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Proteus wrote:
And here is other gorgeous German TT that doesn’t exist here. Well balanced with low tongue weight so easily towable by a mid size SUV. Wonderful modern interior design. It just makes no sense why we don’t have these options here! All we have is cheap ****...or Airstream. And even the airstreams have much higher tongue weight than they should. Drives me nuts!
https://www.eriba.com/en/models/caravans/eriba-nova-s/living-area.html
And here is other gorgeous German TT that doesn’t exist here. Well balanced with low tongue weight so easily towable by a mid size SUV. Wonderful modern interior design. It just makes no sense why we don’t have these options here! All we have is cheap ****...or Airstream. And even the airstreams have much higher tongue weight than they should. Drives me nuts!
https://www.eriba.com/en/models/caravans/eriba-nova-s/living-area.html
So they have somehow bypassed basic physics and built a trailer that doesn't sway with little tongue weight?
Lynnmor wrote:
So they have somehow bypassed basic physics and built a trailer that doesn't sway with little tongue weight?
Proteus wrote:
And here is other gorgeous German TT that doesn’t exist here. Well balanced with low tongue weight so easily towable by a mid size SUV. Wonderful modern interior design. It just makes no sense why we don’t have these options here! All we have is cheap ****...or Airstream. And even the airstreams have much higher tongue weight than they should. Drives me nuts!
https://www.eriba.com/en/models/caravans/eriba-nova-s/living-area.html
And here is other gorgeous German TT that doesn’t exist here. Well balanced with low tongue weight so easily towable by a mid size SUV. Wonderful modern interior design. It just makes no sense why we don’t have these options here! All we have is cheap ****...or Airstream. And even the airstreams have much higher tongue weight than they should. Drives me nuts!
https://www.eriba.com/en/models/caravans/eriba-nova-s/living-area.html
So they have somehow bypassed basic physics and built a trailer that doesn't sway with little tongue weight?
Nope, the physics are the same. However, their caravans are designed differently than our campers. There are also speed restrictions and highway restrictions that tend to eliminate sway starting. There are some interesting articles on the subject written by some Aussies and Brits.
Kip
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Proteus wrote:
And here is other gorgeous German TT that doesn’t exist here. Well balanced with low tongue weight so easily towable by a mid size SUV. Wonderful modern interior design. It just makes no sense why we don’t have these options here! All we have is cheap ****...or Airstream. And even the airstreams have much higher tongue weight than they should. Drives me nuts!
https://www.eriba.com/en/models/caravans/eriba-nova-s/living-area.html
And here is other gorgeous German TT that doesn’t exist here. Well balanced with low tongue weight so easily towable by a mid size SUV. Wonderful modern interior design. It just makes no sense why we don’t have these options here! All we have is cheap ****...or Airstream. And even the airstreams have much higher tongue weight than they should. Drives me nuts!
https://www.eriba.com/en/models/caravans/eriba-nova-s/living-area.html
As long as you don’t exceed 60 mph and stay off high speed motorways, that is fine.
I also don’t think a cargo capacity of under 400 lbs. for a 23’ camper would do well here.
There are lots of reasons why the Europeans make their caravans the way they do, but most US Americans wouldn’t like them.
I do like the interiors, though.
That is really a beautiful trailer.
Barney
2004 Sunnybrook Titan 30FKS TT
Hensley "Arrow" 1400# hitch (Sold)
Not towing now.
Former tow vehicles were 2016 Ram 2500 CTD, 2002 Ford F250, 7.3 PSD, 1997 Ram 2500 5.9 gas engine
Avia
GrandpaKip wrote:
There are also speed restrictions and highway restrictions that tend to eliminate sway starting. There are some interesting articles on the subject written by some Aussies and Brits.
There are also speed restrictions and highway restrictions that tend to eliminate sway starting. There are some interesting articles on the subject written by some Aussies and Brits.
I love it. legislate conditions to make something that is inherently not road worthy, road worthy?
bumpy
Bumpyroad wrote:
I love it. legislate conditions to make something that is inherently not road worthy, road worthy?
bumpy
GrandpaKip wrote:
There are also speed restrictions and highway restrictions that tend to eliminate sway starting. There are some interesting articles on the subject written by some Aussies and Brits.
There are also speed restrictions and highway restrictions that tend to eliminate sway starting. There are some interesting articles on the subject written by some Aussies and Brits.
I love it. legislate conditions to make something that is inherently not road worthy, road worthy?
bumpy
No idea if that is so.
The caravans I’ve seen throughout Europe tend to be pulled by diesel estate wagons on 2 lane roads, usually at 60 kmph or less. And with a long line of cars behind.
There isn’t a pickup culture over there, so caravans are designed to be towed by cars for the most part. The small SUV market is growing, though. I certainly wouldn’t want to drive my Silverado most places. We usually rent the smallest car that will take us and luggage.
Depreciation has done its thing at ten years. Value rises from then on.
Start looking at used examples.
And, no matter it’s size, you sure don’t need a pickup. That choice ruins highway stability.
FWIW, I paid a couple of dollars UNDER $30k for both vehicles, combined. Twelve years later, they’re worth as much or more. Granted, as third generation I knew what I was doing AND had some luck.
1990 35' SILVER STREAK Sterling, 9k GVWR
2004 DODGE RAM 2WD 305/555 ISB, QC SRW LB NV-5600, 9k GVWR
Hensley Arrow; 11-cpm solo, 17-cpm towing fuel cost