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Posted By: rickwellman on 06/01/18 08:28am

Going from ft garland to cortez. With 37 ft mh and 12 ft trailer. Is this a good rte


Traveling to cal col Idaho WY south dakota Oregon with 34 ft class A pulling 7 by 12 enclosed trailer with my trike.


Posted By: polly sue on 06/01/18 08:56am

US 160 is a fine road with one major and a couple of minor passes between Ft. Garland and Cortez. The road is a US highway and is the major east west road between I-40 and I-70. On Wolf Creek Pass, the roadway is four or three lanes, depending on your direction. (The other passes are not a big deal, mainly a couple of miles long with climbing lanes in each direction.) The main thing us locals know is that you pay absolute attention to the speed limits, especially in a motorhome, and you use your gearing and exhaust/engine brake on the descents. I usually count the number of times I need to tap my brake on the descent of Wolf Creek (and by that I mean just for a second to get the speed back down under 45 mph). I try to keep it under ten times for the whole descent. A trucker went over the cliff at the next to last westbound switchback the other day because his brakes had overheated. He passed on two runaway truck ramps. It cost him his life.


Posted By: enblethen on 06/01/18 09:00am

East of Pagosa Springs, there is a fairly steep down hill coming from the east. Down shift in to lower gears. Take care of your brakes!
Otherwise good two lane highway.


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Posted By: BB_TX on 06/01/18 09:25am

US 160 is a virtual pipeline for RVs and trucks across southern CO. Wolf Creek Pass is much steeper on the west side than the east side. So the direction you will be going you will have the easier climb, but the steeper downhill side. But there are two lanes going down the west side so you can stay right going as slow as you want without holding up traffic. Beautiful drive. Enjoy.

And there are two runaway truck ramps going down if you need them. [emoticon]


Posted By: Mile High on 06/01/18 02:26pm

Travel it a lot. Respect it for what it is. The roads have been much improved since the song was written, but still a good steep grade. Have your passenger get the camera ready down the west side of Wolf Creek into Pagosa! Some of my favorite views.


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Posted By: rickwellman on 06/01/18 08:14pm

Are there any other rte. That are not as steep?


Posted By: Dukecity426 on 06/01/18 09:36pm

Well I don't know how everyone else feels about this suggestion. Last year we took Hwy 285 out of Alamosa to Antonito west on 17 to Chama New Mexico then 64/84 which you finally take 84 to Pagosa Springs then back to 160 west. We stayed in Chama for a night and enjoyed the railroad yard etc. We also dieseled up there before we left the next day. I don't know how much it was out of the way to by pass 160, but it was a beautiful ride. Just my 2 cents. Check it out on a map and you will see this route. Be safe and enjoy....


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Posted By: rickwellman on 06/01/18 09:58pm

Any steep grades along this rte.


Posted By: enblethen on 06/01/18 10:06pm

Yes, Cumbres Pass around 10,000
Your best bet is to take 160. Just be aware of down grade and take it slow and easy, stopping at some of the pull outs.
Knowing what kind of rig would help to give advise.


Posted By: rickwellman on 06/02/18 06:09am

I have a 37 ft gas Georgia boy landau with triton v10 pull 12 foot enclosed trailer


Posted By: Dukecity426 on 06/02/18 07:00am

rickwellman wrote:

Any steep grades along this rte.
We did this with our older 5th wheel that was 36 ft. So we were at least 40 plus feet long and it was a very enjoyable ride. A few small pulls but nothing like Wolf Creek pass. We did travel over Wolf Creek with a light truck and it is very beautiful as all have mentioned. Bruce


Posted By: Dukecity426 on 06/02/18 09:10am

Dukecity426 wrote:

rickwellman wrote:

Any steep grades along this rte.
We did this with our older 5th wheel that was 36 ft. So we were at least 40 plus feet long and it was a very enjoyable ride. A few small pulls but nothing like Wolf Creek pass. We did travel over Wolf Creek with a light truck and it is very beautiful as all have mentioned. Bruce

First and foremost I am not trying to convince you to take the route that we did, other than to answer your question as to an alternate route. So to further help you alone I will quote from the "Mountain Directory West" for truckers, RV, and motorhome drivers.
Cumbres Pass elev. 10022, and La Manga pass elev. 10230.
(Both of these passes are on Colorado Hwy. 17 between Antonito, CO and Chama, NM) The summit of La Manga Pass is about 28 miles south of Antonito (West as the crow flies)The descent towards Antonito begins with about a mile of 4% grade. At this point there is a sign- "7% grade next 4 miles" and "trucks use lower gear". The grade is steady 7% except for one very short break in the middle that lasts about 1/4 mile. It is a winding road with 25, 30, and 35 mph curves.
The Southbound descent stairsteps down for about 3 miles with short 4-6% grades and then eases up to the summit of Cumbres Pass. The Southbound descent from the summit of Cumbres Pass is spread out over about 9 miles. The first mile of descent is about 7% followed by about 1 1/2 miles of 3-4% grade. The next 6 1/2 miles are mostly 6% with several short sections of 4% scattered along the descent. It is a good two lane read with 30 to 40 mph curves.

Here is what is says about Wolf Creek Pass.elev. 10850. (On US 160 between South Fork and Pagosa Springs, CO) The eastbound descent from the summit of Wolf Creek Pass begins with warning sign--"6% grade next 8 miles". Most of this is three lane road .Further down the mountain the road alternates between two lane and three lane. Vehicles over 55,000 lbs. 25 mph.speed limit.
The descent begins with a 6% grade and 30 mph curves. About 2 miles down from the summit there is a short tunnel with a 30 mph curve. The grade continues as promised for about 8 miles at 6% from the summit but there are about 2 more miles of 5% before the grade eases enough to call it the end of the pass. There are 30 and 40 mph curves throughout the descent.
Going Westbound from the summit of Wolf Creek Pass we find signs warning --"7% grade-winding road next 9 miles" and "Vehicles over 55,000 lbs. 25 mph". Starting down the mountain westbound the speed limit is 25 mph. and it's four lane road. There are two runaway truck ramps. They are 4 1/2 and 6 miles down from the summit of the pass, at MP 162 1/2 and MP 161. After passing the second escape ramp the 7% grade and 30 mph curves continue for another 2 miles and then ease to a lesser grade for 2 miles before changing to rolling hills.
I hope that is the information you might be looking for to make and informed decision. Have a good trip,enjoy Colorado as it is a beautiful State, and always be safe in your travels.....Bruce


Posted By: 2gypsies on 06/02/18 03:43pm

A much easier route for you if you're concerned about Wolf Creek Pass (doable) is to take 285 south into New Mexico to 64 west to Chama (avoiding Hwy 17 into Chama) and continue on 64 to Shiprock, NM then north on 491 into Cortez.

Probably more miles... I didn't check. The West has mountains so no avoiding them unless going out of your way. The beauty is in the mountains. [emoticon]

Coming down Wolf Creek Pass into Pagosa Springs, CO is a long downhill. It's a very popular route with RVers and many do it but only you know how your braking confidence is with the trailer. Get into low gear before you even begin the downhill... don't try slowing down in the midst. Then use your braking sparingly with quick touches, not a constant foot on the brake.


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Posted By: rickwellman on 06/02/18 04:22pm

I drove this rig thru California, oregon, Washington state ,Montana and Idaho. I guess it can't be much worse than that. 160 it is.


Posted By: polly sue on 06/02/18 05:21pm

Bottom line, Wolf Creek is a piece of cake on the continuum of Colorado passes.


Posted By: dubdub07 on 06/02/18 05:46pm

polly sue wrote:

Bottom line, Wolf Creek is a piece of cake on the continuum of Colorado passes.


Ain't this the truth! 160 is nothing really. It is long and steep on the west side but of all the passes I drive yearly (40ft with Jeep in tow), this is usually one of the easiest passes. No matter what, if you are driving east to west in Colorado you have to go over the divide. My rule going downhill? 55mph or less.

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Posted By: rickwellman on 06/02/18 07:32pm

Thanks for all the comments. I am sure I will be posting more questions in the future.


Posted By: Mile High on 06/03/18 07:28am

I'll take Wolf Creek any day over I-70 coming in to Denver [emoticon]

You know when you hit the 4th GIANT sign with flashing yellow lights on I-70 warning truckers not to get out of low gear yet, combined with 7% steep grade signs and runaway truck ramps with warnings to yield to trucks trying to get to them that it is a pretty serious grade. My wife laughed when she saw the deer crossing sign and said "it doesn't have a chance" [emoticon]


Posted By: rickwellman on 06/04/18 07:34am

Thanks I was thinking coming back east on I70.


Posted By: Heisenberg on 06/04/18 04:31pm

If your equipment is in good shape Wolf Creek Pass is a must experience.


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Posted By: rickwellman on 06/05/18 06:24am

It's in good shape. To late to turn back now. Lol. I am on 160 camped at Blanca for a couple nights.


Posted By: Mile High on 06/05/18 08:09am

rickwellman wrote:

It's in good shape. To late to turn back now. Lol. I am on 160 camped at Blanca for a couple nights.
hahah, well there you go!


Posted By: wolfe10 on 06/05/18 10:33am

Heisenberg wrote:

If your equipment is in good shape Wolf Creek Pass is a must experience.


I would add: AND, are an experienced driver of heavy vehicles on mountain grade conditions.

This is NOT the place to start learning how to use your transmission and brakes for safe technical mountain driving!


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Posted By: Heisenberg on 06/05/18 01:27pm

Raton and La Veta passes completed? You are ready for the next level.


Posted By: edm3rd on 06/05/18 02:49pm

If you want more practice, try US Hwy 50 between Salida and Gunnison (Monarch Pass).


Posted By: rickwellman on 06/05/18 04:17pm

I10 out of El Paso was worse than LA Veta and Raton.


Posted By: polly sue on 06/05/18 04:31pm

edm3rd wrote:

If you want more practice, try US Hwy 50 between Salida and Gunnison (Monarch Pass).


Monarch is harder than Wolf Creek, because it's narrower and a long climb. Wolf Creek is a shorter climb than La Veta from the east. About 8 miles total, most of which are four lanes. I find I-70 in either direction west of Denver to be a real slog. A very long climb, although with a climbing lane in addition to the travel lanes. In my experience, the descent from the high country back to Denver is grueling. You really need to check your speed and NOT with your brakes as much as possible. Many curves. More daunting than Wolf Creek.


Posted By: Passin Thru on 06/05/18 09:05pm

160 is not the major connection between I40 and I70 unless that's a new map. It's a hard 2 lane to run between the 2. I 25 and I 35 are the major connectors. It is not that bad, just take it. I drove it in a Tractor Trailer in the good old days hauling meat, grain, livestock feed and potatoes. Gear down to what ever the speed limit says going down Wolf Creek. Stop on top and enjoy the 10000 feet for a bit, drink lots of water and enjoy it.


Posted By: rickwellman on 06/06/18 06:18am

Thanks everybody for all the info. I feel pretty confident about the drive now. We will be crossing wolf pass in the morning. I will let u know how it went.


Posted By: rickwellman on 06/07/18 02:54pm

Well gentlemen I made it through Wolf Creek Pass. I got behind 2 semis and after the second one had to pull over because his brakes were on fire. I followed the second one down the mountain and I still have brakes.lol


Posted By: polly sue on 06/07/18 03:26pm

Nice! Scary about the semi with burning brakes, though. Welcome to smokey Durango!


Posted By: rickwellman on 06/07/18 06:46pm

Staying in cortez.


Posted By: Mile High on 06/08/18 06:03pm

How was the smoke down that way? (forest fire)


Posted By: enblethen on 06/08/18 06:49pm

Aren't you glad you went that way?
Great scenery!


Posted By: Heisenberg on 06/09/18 02:29pm

On the 8th we could see the Durango smoke from Ridgway!


Posted By: Mile High on 06/10/18 09:30am

Heading to Navajo Reservoir a week from now, hope that smoke is done or it will be a rough week for me.


Posted By: rickwellman on 06/10/18 05:02pm

We are west of it in CORTEZ. LOOKS LIKE IT IS HEADING NORTHEAST.


Posted By: rickwellman on 06/10/18 05:03pm

We are west of it in CORTEZ. LOOKS LIKE IT IS HEADING NORTHEAST.


Posted By: rickwellman on 06/10/18 05:04pm

Oops. Yes I am glad I had the wolf creek pass experience.


Posted By: Mile High on 06/11/18 08:54am

Thanks Rickwellman! Thats what it looked like on the news, but not always easy to tell.


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