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Posted By: joedekock on 03/05/18 11:02am

Im at the point im looking at a new TV. I have done extensive research, poured through both biased and un-biased forums. Watched tons of YouTube videos on MPGs, tow tests, and known mechanical issues.

I would like some opinions from real owners of the trucks I am looking at. If you can speak to both, all the better!

Here is what I know already for myself:

- I love Toyota's. I have owned several cars, vans, and SUV's from Toyota and they are absolute tanks. They never have major mechanical issues, and for that matter they have never given me any trouble on small issues. I started looking at the Tundra, however, that things is one thirsty truck! In this day in age where a half ton truck can get 19-20 mpgs without really trying its hard for me to justify a truck that will get 5mpg less than that. So, for me, Toyota is out.

- I used to own a 2010 Ram 1500 with the Hemi. That truck was FUN to drive when it was empty. However, with my 6000 lb. 24' TT behind it that thing was highly unstable. The power was more than adequate, but I think it had weak link springs or something which made it a white knuckle drive with a trailer. (Yes I had weight distribution hitch & anti-sway). The MPG's in that truck were 12-14 for me. Im sure the new RAMs are better, but lastly... i have several friends that own Mopar vehicles of various kinds and they all have LOTS of little annoying issues that would drive me nuts. From washer fluid pumps, to fuel pumps, to HVAC dampers, etc... just annoying and time consuming stuff for vehicles under 5 years old. No Rams for me.

- I currently own a 2011 Silverado 1500 with 5.3 and 3.08 rear end (won't do that again). Love the truck, its super reliable, has never had an issue besides the HVAC blower fan which was easy and cheap to replace, and it tows our trailer amazingly! Its weaker than my RAM was for power, but it feels way more stable when towing.

So, I am down to a 2017 GM (Silverado or SIerra), or the F150 with 3.5 Ecoboost. If you own a 2015-2017 model year of one of these trucks please share your experiences with it while towing your TT. We will also be upgrading our TT to a 30' 7800 lb. gross trailer in a year or two.

Only 10% of my driving at the most will be with the TT. The rest of the time its a kid hauler, a point A-B machine, or hauling light weight material for various DIY projects.

Things I like about the Ford from research:
- Power and Torque. It seems like F150 owners love that Ecoboost for its power and torque, especially while towing.
- Fuel Economy. Most 15-17 model year owners claim their Ecoboost is getting them 20mpg on average.
- Integrated Trailer Brake Controller on most models
- 12k towing capacity leaves plenty of room for upgraded trailer we hope to get in a year or two.
- Seems to have more technology.
- Overall exterior looks to me are cool. (I would want 20" wheels).
- Interior seems cheap. (Just opinions from unbiased folks online).

The things I like about the GM half ton line:
- I know how to work on GMs as I have owned GM's for 20 years. Its a comfort thing.
- The 5.3 motor has been around almost 20 years now. It is a proven motor that is very reliable.
- The 11k towing capacity leaves plenty of room for the upgraded trailer we want to get. (Need to get 3.44 rear end).
- I love the overall looks of the exterior and the interior of the Silverado's and Sierra's. Especially the Silverado High Country or LTZ line or the Sierra SLT line.
- MPGs are adequate at 17-18 averages from reports.

I am not looking for a blood bath or a war to break out. Just honest opinions. For me, in the half ton line it was always an easy decision. GM's won hands down with less mechanical issues, and overall power/torque. Now with the Ecoboost's capabilities, the Ford's have surpassed GM slightly in that arena plus in the MPGs. I owned the RAM for a hot minute before getting rid of it because it was so terrible at towing. But the price on it was too good to pass up.

What say you?

2019 Silverado 1500
2020 Coachmen Freedom Express 29SE
Me, Wife, 5 kids, and a Doodle

Posted By: Terryallan on 03/05/18 11:11am

for me. Both Ford, and GM will do the job with the right equipment. But again for me. The interior of the Ford is more ergonomic. Every thing is right where it needs to be. You don't have to reach, or hunt for the controls. Cruise control is on the steering wheel where it belongs instead on some multi purpose lever. For those reasons. A Ford is just easier, and more fun to drive.
But that's just me.

Terry & Shay
Coachman Apex 288BH.
2013 F150 XLT Off Road
5.0, 3.73
Lazy Campers

Posted By: SoundGuy on 03/05/18 11:14am

joedekock wrote:

The 11k towing capacity leaves plenty of room for the upgraded trailer we want to get. (Need to get 3.44 rear end).

AFAIK no such thing as a GM 3.44 axle, the closest being a 3.42 which I've had myself on 3 different trucks including my current '12 Silvy, but no way is it suitable for towing anywhere near 11,000 lbs ... heck, I wouldn't even tow that 7800 lb trailer you're talking about. [emoticon]

2012 Silverado 1500 Crew Cab
2014 Coachmen Freedom Express 192RBS
2003 Fleetwood Yuma * 2008 K-Z Spree 240BH-LX
2007 TrailCruiser C21RBH * 2000 Fleetwood Santa Fe
1998 Jayco 10UD * 1969 Coleman CT380

Posted By: donn0128 on 03/05/18 11:17am

If your checking them, look at prices. Ford is really proud of their f150 ecoboost and dealers dont seem to dicker on them. Chevy? Have not looked at one for several years so no comment. Rams? Seem to get the nod as having the best interiors. Toyota, super reliable but horrible fuel economy and zero bed with all but the basic single cab configuration.
IMHO you need to go drive and price all of them, and pick what you feel will give you the best combination.

Posted By: time2roll on 03/05/18 11:20am

Watch your payload rating very close. Tow rating is just a start.
Ford with max payload package usually has the highest rating.

2001 F150 SuperCrew
2006 Keystone Springdale 249FWBHLS
675w Solar pictures back up

Posted By: coolmom42 on 03/05/18 11:26am

I don't think the Ford interior looks cheap, even in the XLT cloth seat version. It looks better in gray than in black or tan. (I wouldn't have a vehicle with a black interior.)

I assume you are looking for a crewcab. DO NOT get the "supercab" for family use--having to open and close the doors in sequence is PITA.

One thing you do need to pay attention to is the cargo capacity. There are different versions out there, but they are all less with the Supercrew cab than with the regular cabs.

So far as towing, the 3.5L Ecoboost is a beast.

A friend of mine used to have the Silverado LTZ 4WD, and I will say that it had a much nicer ride than any of the Ford 4WD versions. The LTZ is a "luxury" version rather than off-road. It tows fine with the right weight distributing system. If it's mainly for a daily driver, that is a big factor.

Highway mileage from the Ecoboost (not towing) will be around 20 mpg. City runs about 17-18.

There are a lot of nice 2-3 yr old used trucks out there, and one of them would be my choice over a new version.

Like you, I am a big Toyota fan, and have looked hard at Sequoias for my next vehicle. But the 14-16 mpg gives me pause. The interiors also are starting to look dated and the ergonomics are not the best. Those factors have moved the Expedition with the 3.5L Ecoboost up higher on my list.

Single empty-nester in Middle TN, sometimes with a friend or grandchild on board

Posted By: evanrem on 03/05/18 11:27am

I think truck to truck they are pretty similar and really cant go wrong with either. Ford has that sun roof which is cool and they seem to be more cutting edge then Chevy but that is just an uneducated opinion. I always owned Chevy's so maybe it's a greener grass thing. Really its going to be up to you on which you like better. Ford did or may still have the max payload 150 that I was interested in but could never find.
One thing to take a look at is payload of the trucks and understand how that equates into towing a TT, max tow is really a useless number when towing a travel trailer.
I use my 3/4 ton in the same fashion you will use yours and minus the 12mpg and needing two spots next to one another to park its not a terrible daily driver.

Posted By: midnightsadie on 03/05/18 11:47am

for towing three quarter tonon up, for a daily driver and to the store a half ton.

Posted By: Samsonsworld on 03/05/18 12:26pm

At 30' and 7800lbs, I think you're pushing the limits of a half ton. I would probably go with a 3/4 ton. Not that the ecoboost won't tow it easily, the power is great, but the softer suspension comes with a price. That's a big sail behind you and under less than ideal circumstances (winds), the tail tends to wag the dog. A 3/4 ton gets pushed around less. You'd also double your payload if you stick to gas. My $.02.

Posted By: Groover on 03/05/18 12:31pm

"Things I like about the Ford from research:
- Power and Torque. It seems like F150 owners love that Ecoboost for its power and torque, especially while towing.
- Fuel Economy. Most 15-17 model year owners claim their Ecoboost is getting them 20mpg on average.
- Integrated Trailer Brake Controller on most models
- 12k towing capacity leaves plenty of room for upgraded trailer we hope to get in a year or two.
- Seems to have more technology.
- Overall exterior looks to me are cool. (I would want 20" wheels).
- Interior seems cheap. (Just opinions from unbiased folks online)."

I have two Fords with 3.5 Ecoboost and agree with all of the capabilities and I tow a very heavy trailer regularly. I personally don't have any issues with the interior and would buy again. If you have any trouble getting a dealer to negotiate on a Ford there are several around here that will.

Posted By: mkirsch on 03/05/18 12:33pm

You've already had experience with inadequate suspension in your old Dodge truck. Once you start pushing anywhere near the limits of either of these newer trucks (i.e. nowhere near that supposed 11K tow capacity) you'll feel that old familiar feeling start to creep back in.

The 2014-up GM 5.3 is NOTHING like the old Vortec 5.3. The only thing it has in common is displacement rounded to the 1/10th of a liter, and the number of cylinders.

Putting 10-ply tires on half ton trucks since aught-four.

Posted By: campigloo on 03/05/18 01:08pm

I personally am a fan of more truck than absolutely necessary. I think how often and how far you tow should be part of your equation. Some people claim a 1/2 will pull anything from a bicycle to a 50' FW. Maybe. I think a little overkill is better than just adequate. If I rarely tow more than 100 or 2 miles at a time I'd be tempted to look at the eco-boost.

Posted By: DutchmenSport on 03/05/18 01:35pm

joedekock wrote:

... Only 10% of my driving at the most will be with the TT. The rest of the time its a kid hauler, a point A-B machine, or hauling light weight material for various DIY projects...

I have always said, "You really need to think in terms of what is the ultimate extreme usage you'll be experiencing with your truck, not what is the lightest usage and hope it's OK when the extreme happens."

Think about that! In the "extreme" moment when towing, if you have anything "less" in a truck, you'll regret it!

Posted By: Steeljag on 03/05/18 01:38pm

Not the model years your looking for, but I give two thumbs up to my 2012 eco boost ! Smooth, quite, powerful, and just fun to drive ! Newer models with 10 speed transmissions ? Wow, they must be really outstanding !

The super crew has so much room inside, maybe to much...LOL !

Back then I was in the same boat your in trying to decide between a 1/2 and 3/4 ton. With both the wife and I working, we were taking five trips a year, and all within a days drive. So for 10 days a year we needed a tow vehicle , the other 355 days we did not !

I was, and still am very happy with our decision to go with the F 150 Eco !

Good luck !

2018 Forester 3011DS
2010 Flagstaff 26RLS (Sold)
2012 Ford F-150 Screw Ecoboost H/D 3.73
1930 CCC
Going where the weather suits my clothes !

Posted By: IdaD on 03/05/18 01:46pm

For that size trailer I'd go with a heavy duty truck. I'd probably go with a heavy duty truck regardless just because I think they're a better value in terms of what you get for about the same money, but I realize not everybody thinks in those terms. I just don't see much downside to them relative to half tons but I see quite a bit of upside.

2015 Cummins Ram 4wd CC/SB

Posted By: sneakygroundbuzzard on 03/05/18 01:50pm

i pulled my new TT home last week with my 2017 expedition with the 3.5l ecoboost

climbed some fairly steep(all be it not super tall) hills on the way home,stepped on the throttle and gained speed going up hill.

i still need to set up the wd hitch properly(wasnt going to do it at the dealer in their mud pit of a lot)
my trailer is 35' from hitch to bumper,right around 6700# dry.

other than not being able to see out the rear view mirror i didnt even notice the trailer behind me

Posted By: mhamershock on 03/05/18 03:18pm

Order you a F150 3.5 SCREW Eco with the HDPP. Get the Lariat and the 6.5' bed. You can thank me later.

Mike

Posted By: lawrosa on 03/05/18 03:20pm

I can only speak for chevy trucks as thats all I have ever owned. 1969 chevy with 283, 1988 chevy w/350, 1996 with 4.3, and 2006 with 5.3

I have the 4 speed so trucks have come a bit up in design with the 6 speeds.

Because I have never had major mechanical issues with my chevys I would never look elsewhere.

Fuel pump, water pump, batt, alternator, and a radiator on the 1996 are about the extent of my maintenance. ( had 163K on that 4.3) Other trucks no issues the time I owned them.

The 2017 chevy I would get with the 5.3, 6 speed, and max tow package with the 3:73 rear.

That truck in 4wd will have a 2100 lbs payload and tow to 12000 lbs.

It will have 355 HP with 383 tq @ 4100 RPM.

The 6.2 IMO would use too much gas. As you stated only 10% you will be towing.

With my 2006 4 speed towing in 3rd gear I average 9MPG @70MPH with a trailer weight of 5500 lbs. combined 12K lbs or so.

The only good a turbo ecoboost or turbo diesel will net you is better high altitude towing if your in the mountains all the time. Power of the engine is not reduced per se"

Chevy is tried and true IMO. Ford keeps changing their designs.. Often many issues come of it. Spark plug blow out years, bad diesel engine design some years, cam phaser issues now, and the ecoboost motors having carbon issues.

Rams coil spring suspension and trans issues were/are common.

All my opinion is all.

Mike L ... N.J.

2006 Silverado ext cab long bed. 3:42 rear. LM7 5.3 motor. 300 hp 350 ft lbs torgue @ 4000 rpms
2018 coachmen Catalina sbx 261bh

Posted By: Huntindog on 03/05/18 03:48pm

Terryallan wrote:

Have you looked at a GM lately?
The CC has been on the steering wheel since at least 2011.

Huntindog
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Posted By: camp-n-family on 03/05/18 04:10pm

Forget the tow ratings as you'll exceed many other ratings before getting anywhere near it. Be more concerned with the payload, tire and axle ratings.

If you really like Toyotas and can wait, Toyota is due for an all new Tundra. I believe it is coming out next summer as a 2020 model. Expect some big changes.

'17 Ram 2500 Crewcab Laramie CTD
'13 Keystone Bullet Premier 310BHPR
Hitched by Hensley

Posted By: Samsonsworld on 03/05/18 04:16pm

lawrosa wrote:

and the ecoboost motors having carbon issues.
.

Hate to burst your Chevy bubble, but all GDI engines are prone to carbon buildup. The 5.3l is no different.

Posted By: bid_time on 03/05/18 04:44pm

The Ecoboost and the heavy duty payload package is a good match for a 7800 lbs GVWR trailer. If you get one with the newer 10 spd transmission you'll be grinning ear to ear.

Posted By: Bionic Man on 03/05/18 04:55pm

When talking about how your old Dodge towed, I would look at the tires (and bet they were not LT). Your driving experience seems to sound more like they were the culprit than the suspension.

I would do a LOT more research before I would believe that the EcoBoost will average 20 MPG in everyday/overall driving. You are setting yourself up for disappointment.

Personally, I think all of the Big 3 150/1500s are great trucks. With the right expectations. They are not going to get great economy, and they are not going to tow as well as a 250/2500.

2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010

Posted By: AlmostAnOldGuy on 03/05/18 05:58pm

The maximum trailer rating number of 11k+ are for a flat bed with 10% on the tongue. When pulling a travel trailer you will be running up to 15% (I run at 13-13.5%) on the tongue. You will likely exceed the rating on the hitch if you go north of 9k. So, if you are running a loaded trailer at 7800 you need to good suspension and tires.

Like mentioned in multiple posts I would order an F150 with the Heavy Duty Payload package. That will get you a stiffer suspension and LT tires. I tow an 8000 lb trailer (loaded) and my 2012 HD F150 handles it well with a good Reese hitch. My 2012 weighs 500+ more than the new aluminum trucks but there are multiple people on this forum towing in the range of 8k with the newer F150 Max Payload and are happy with the results. As for MPG I get 20 going 60 on the flat in 60 degrees. In town I have a lot of stop and go and get 15ish. If I am good on the lights on the outer parts of town maybe 17ish but no more. The HDPP has the 3.73 rear end.

The EcoBoost tows great - love the low end torque and how it holds power at elevation. Engine braking is weak but the integrated trailer brake control is very good..

If you think you are going to go heavier than 8k in a loaded trailer one day just go to the F250/2500 series now.

Good luck,
Stu

2012 F150 HD/Max Payload (8200 GVWR, 2176 payload) SuperCrew EcoBoost
2008 Komfort Trailblazer T254S

Posted By: lawrosa on 03/05/18 06:18pm

Samsonsworld wrote:

lawrosa wrote:

and the ecoboost motors having carbon issues.
.

Hate to burst your Chevy bubble, but all GDI engines are prone to carbon buildup. The 5.3l is no different.

Not really... Its known with the fords. And not everyone can afford top tier fuel.

My Ford buddys have had issues with thier eco's.. Its a failed PVC system thats known and why many have added the catch cans...

Just my opinion though... Everyone is smart enough to decide whats real or Fake news...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ynGWxzJHjA

And yes all trucks have problems.. Chevy has their lifter concerns too Im well aware. But as far as all the trucks I have owned were port injected..

But there is no denying the carbon issues on the ecoboost motor..

I know direct injection motors can do this but add the turbo, oil carry over flawed PVC system,and extra pressures it becomes a giant problem..

They have low friction rings on the pistons for fuel savings at the expense of more blowby.

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* This post was edited 03/05/18 06:25pm by lawrosa *

Posted By: Samsonsworld on 03/05/18 06:21pm

You can Google Ford. Now try GM. You might Google AFM problems while you're at it.

Posted By: lawrosa on 03/05/18 06:39pm

Samsonsworld wrote:

You can Google Ford. Now try GM. You might Google AFM problems while you're at it.

Yes AFM can be an issue. I have not owned a truck with that, But have extensively read about it to help my buddys out with issues. Oil consumption and such.

One trick is drive in manual 5th when running errands and such. Will not go in V4 mode to a certain speed like 65 mph...

Other thing what I would do if I owned a AFM chevy is add a Range AFM disabler. $199 and done..No warranty concerns..

V8 all the time.... [emoticon]

https://rangetechnology.com/afm-disabler/

Posted By: VernDiesel on 03/05/18 06:50pm

For OP with 30’ TT GM HD payload pkg or whatever they call it. Add 6.2 & 10 speed and you will be a happy camper so to speak. But your challenge will be the same as it was with Ram and that is selecting an appropriate WDH & built in sway control then learning to set it up by CAT scale results. Had that been done well you would of had no issues with the Ram either.

A 30’ can be safely towed with stability by the right version of any of the 5 1/2 ton Mfgs when setup is adjusted until you have A at minimum replaced your unloaded steer weight, B not exceeded your drive axle weight and C gotten your tongue weight in the 10 to 15 percent range.

The 5.3 would get the job done with the 10 speed but it will struggle in comparison to the 6.2 and use as much fuel to do it. The 6.2 will be much more enjoyable to tow with and more fun to drive when not towing. New truck fuelie results shows difference in real world economy to be small between them. Much like towing with the 3.5 EB being easier & more enjoyable than with the 5.0.

* This post was edited 03/05/18 06:58pm by VernDiesel *

Transportr TT & boats RAM EconoDiesel Factory TBC, Tow mirrors, Hitch camera, Axle to frame air bags, Tune w turbo brake, Max tow 9,200 CGAR 7,800 CVWR 15,950 axle weights 3,340 steer 2,260 drive Truck pushed head gasket at 371k has original trans at 500k

Posted By: demiles on 03/05/18 06:56pm

On paper either one of those trucks should be able to handle a 7800 GVWR trailer when properly equipped. Unfortunately not all 7800 lb trailers are created equal and there are certain characteristics that will make one tow well and another a real turd. Trailers with high yaw inertia will have a tendency to sway more even with proper CG location. Stay away from front/rear kitchen layouts, front and/or rear slideout positions, central located axle positions, unknown tire manufactures. Floor plans with heavy items such as slide outs, kitchen, and fresh water tanks centralized close to the axles and loaded correctly will tow better. Everyone on these forums are so hung up on payload rating now days it’s ridiculous. Having adequate payload is required but it does not guarantee towing stability in anyway. I rarely see anyone mention anything but hitch weight when it comes to trailer stability but there’s much more to consider.

2008 Jayco G2 28RBS
2016 Nissan XD 5.0L Cummins

Posted By: JIMNLIN on 03/05/18 07:19pm

My wifes 2016 1500 chevy crew cab 4wd 5.3 6L80e 3.42 gears does a good job pulling my 10k car hauler with a 7640 lb blue tractor. The trailer with the tractor/7' mower has 9460 lbs on the axles and 1020 lb hitch weight. The little 5.3 does a pretty good job for what it is.
If I wanted more towing/hauling performance from a 1500 GM then it would be the NHT max tow package. You get a higher 7600 gvwr and 4300 rawr and 3.73 gears. You can also upgrade to the 6.2 420 hp/ 460 torque along with the NHT for a lot more towing performance.

You may already know about all the different weight packages for the F150 and 3.5 ecoboost engine.
Quick rundown is the F150HD 7850 gvwr and 4800 rawr.

Next down is a 7600 gvwr 4550 rawr.

and a 7050 gvwr with 4050 rawr.

and at the bottom is a 6750-7000 gvwr and tiny 3800 rawr.
Ford has a max tow for just about all the different weight packages so don't think max tow means max tow rating or max payload.

Just be aware Ford hyper payload braggs like 2800-3200 lbs cannot all be used in the trucks bed. The F150 rear axle can weigh in the 2300-2500 lb range depending on selections....now add that 3200 lb payload in the bed and the load on the rear axle jumps to 5400-5600 lbs for one heck of a overload 4800 vs 5600).
Same can be said for some of the high gvwr packages on 1/2 ton ...3/4 ton....and one ton SRW trucks. Do the math on the rear axle numbers plus tire placard payloads as its the biggest overload safety issue.

"good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" ............ Will Rogers

'03 2500 QC Dodge/Cummins HO 3.73 6 speed manual Jacobs Westach
'97 Park Avanue 28' 5er 11200 two slides

Posted By: VernDiesel on 03/05/18 07:25pm

Agreed demiles. Way too many people way to focused on payload which is a secondary consideration with respects to safety stability & enjoyable towing. Taking a little time to visit the local scales just one time with a new setup can pay big including meeting mfg recommended payload. A great example of what demiles speaks of is Airstream 30’ Classic vs Airstream 30’ International. The two without WDH set up tow entirely different. It’s not as much the common 800 pound difference but it’s placement.

Posted By: joedekock on 03/05/18 07:37pm

sneakygroundbuzzard wrote:

Thanks! This seems close to what I am going to be doing.

Posted By: joedekock on 03/05/18 07:38pm

mhamershock wrote:

Order you a F150 3.5 SCREW Eco with the HDPP. Get the Lariat and the 6.5' bed. You can thank me later.

Mike

This is exactly the F150 I would get. Thanks!

Posted By: old guy on 03/05/18 08:34pm

I used t tow with chev 1500's and the last 1500 I owned pinged like mad when towing. my son got hit by a young girl so I traded it in on a 2500HD chev and never looked back. the 3/4 ton was like night and day. they get about the same gas mileage so I didn't hesitate. I think the 6.0 engine is a towing muscle truck

Posted By: owenssailor on 03/05/18 09:50pm

I have a 2017 Silverado 1500. It is 5.3 8spd tranny 3.42 rear end. It has the max payload option so payload is 1950lb.

Our trailer is 31 overall and weighs 6500 lb loaded for travelling

The truck pulls the trailer very well. Long 6% grades are no problem - I can accelerate. The 8 speed is a definite improvement over the 6 spd which was way better than the 4 spd.

We find the interior very comfortable and quiet on long drives. And yes cruise,stereo and phone controls are on the steering wheel. The truck has integrated brake controller which works perfectly.

This winter we have towed about 8000 miles so we do have some experience with this combination.

2011 Jayco 28U
2012 Chev Silverado Crew Cab 5.3 6 spd 3.42 (sold)
2017 Chev Silverado Crew Cab 5.3 8 spd 3.42
Equal-i-Zer 1400/14000
RotoChocks

Posted By: demiles on 03/06/18 03:45am

Another not so obvious thing to consider when selecting high payload half ton trucks is towing at GVWR. SAE standards do not require handling tests to be performed at GVWR and it should. The super duper payload f150 gets tested at a gvw of about 6700 lbs 3000 front axle 3700 rear. Take that same truck and load it as a normal person would towing a large TT to GVWR 3000 front and 4800 rear. That axle load disparity moves the truck CG a large amount rearward likely to cause handling problems. One way to tell if you have a decent margin of safety is to drop the WD bars and see if you can still travel at say 55mph safely and confidently. If the SAE required handling tests at a vehicles GVWR many vehicles would see a large drop in TWR across the board.

Posted By: troubledwaters on 03/06/18 05:50am

JIMNLIN wrote:

Just be aware Ford hyper payload braggs like 2800-3200 lbs cannot all be used in the trucks bed. The F150 rear axle can weigh in the 2300-2500 lb range depending on selections....now add that 3200 lb payload in the bed and the load on the rear axle jumps to 5400-5600 lbs for one heck of a overload 4800 vs 5600)...

Your mixing apples and oranges. That ones that have 3200 lbs of payload don't have 2800 lbs on the rear end, they have closer to 1800 lbs. Actually, in the current model year the heaviest one has 2153 lbs on the rear end and its a Raptor, not really your typical tow vehicle.

For a tow vehicle, in the current model year a 4 x 4, XLT, 6.5' bed, SuperCrew, Ecoboost, w/Heavy Duty Payload package has about 2100 lbs on the rear end and a payload of 2600 lbs (minus a couple hundred depending on options you want). 2300 lbs rear axle weight would be the high side and would include such options as bedliner, hard tonneau cover, running boards, and tailgate step. Here's a real world example clicky

* This post was last edited 03/06/18 06:22am by troubledwaters *

Posted By: JIMNLIN on 03/06/18 06:34am

Quote:

Your confused.
Never said any F150 rear axle weight was 2800 lbs. Reread what I said.
As I stated these trucks are weighing in the 2300-2400 lb range according to those owners who have weighed them.

Hell even Fleet Ford weight specs shows a F150 std cab 5.0 engine 141" wheel base 2wd has 3270 lb payload and a 1847 rear axle weight. Now add that 3270 lb payload in the bed = 5100 lbs.
The point is using those gvwr based yellow tire payload stickers on "some" (not all) truck can and has overloaded the trucks rear axle when its placed in the bed such as hitch weight or a truck camper or a load of RR ties from the local farm and ranch stores.

Posted By: guidry on 03/06/18 06:49am

My suggestion, borrow someone's half ton and tow your trailer. You will soon see why everyone (including me) suggest upping to a 3/4 or one ton diesel. I towed with a Tundra and it was not pleasant. As soon as I upgraded to my one ton 3500, we enjoy towing now.

Posted By: Samsonsworld on 03/06/18 07:13am

IDK, I'd be tempted if the price was right but every time I find a max tow on a lot, it's over $50k discounted. You can get a dang nice 3/4 ton for that.

Posted By: TomG2 on 03/06/18 07:25am

To the OP: You asked for opinions on half ton pickups. They make great tow vehicles as long as they are being towed by a Class A motorhome.

Just kidding, I now have a F-150. "If" I was still towing a 6,000 plus pound trailer a lot, it would be with a F-250 or 2500HD. Have fun.

Posted By: Flapper on 03/06/18 08:01am

Mine is not in the year range you are looking at, but the big issue will be payload. Your potential trailer could have a tongue weight of 900-1000 lbs when loaded. That will be pushing the receiver rating on any of the trucks, which is the first limit. Then comes payload. For the F-150's, you really, really need to think about finding one with the HD Payload Package - which are very rare in the used market. Newer versions are a bit better on payload, but without the HDPP, you'll have to watch the numbers a lot closer. Not a lot of margin for people and stuff.

For my 2012 with the Max. Tow, HDPP, 4x4, Ecoboost, 3.73 gears: I get 14-15.5 daily city driving. About 19 on the highway. My old 8K fifth got 10.5 mpg over 14,500 miles of towing. The current TT about the same weight gets only 8-8.5 towing. No issues with either for long 6% grades in the mountains.

HDPP is only available with "Supercrew" models - so even with a 6.5 bed, the truck is kinda long. Get used to finding parking at stores in the far reaches of the lot where there is room, and having to buy pass many closer parking spots.

2012 F150 Eco, 4x4, SCrew, Max Tow, HD Payload
2017 Grand Design Imagine 2670MK

Posted By: IdaD on 03/06/18 08:48am

Samsonsworld wrote:

IDK, I'd be tempted if the price was right but every time I find a max tow on a lot, it's over $50k discounted. You can get a dang nice 3/4 ton for that.

Yep. The average F150 currently sells for about $6-7k more than I paid for my Cummins Ram, let alone the relatively rare ones equipped with max tow and heavy duty payload. People don't spend less on half tons, they spend just as much (or more) and get less truck. I realize I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Posted By: goducks10 on 03/06/18 09:00am

Whatever you get make sure it's got the DRW option.

Posted By: OH48Lt on 03/06/18 09:01am

Another thing you'll need to consider is the wheelbase. My 2011 F150 Eco is the 4 door crew cab with the 5.5' bed. I can sure feel that short wheelbase when towing in a sidewind, even with my small light trailer I get pushed around. I regret not getting the 6.5' bed, with the longer wheelbase.

Also, the "Maxtow" package is NOT the big tow package. The Heavy Duty package is the F150 option for the heavy towing. Dealers don't usually have them for sale on their lot, you'll have to order it. Heck, some dealers don't even know about it. I went in to a dealer that sells a lot of trucks, and had to show their salesman that option. Over 3000 lbs capacity with that option.

Those 2019 Chevys look real good, if you want to wait and pay sticker for the first several months after their release.

2017 Ford F-150 Crew Cab 4x4 3.5 EcoBoost
2014 Cruiser RV Fun Finder 215WKS
2015 Harley Road Glide Special in Amber Whiskey
2019 Mustang Bullitt
Yamaha Grizzly 660 (his)
Polaris Sportsman 500 H.O.(hers)

Posted By: Samsonsworld on 03/06/18 09:42am

IdaD wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:

IDK, I'd be tempted if the price was right but every time I find a max tow on a lot, it's over $50k discounted. You can get a dang nice 3/4 ton for that.

Plus I think the resale value might be better on the 3/4 ton.

Posted By: troubledwaters on 03/06/18 09:52am

IdaD wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:

IDK, I'd be tempted if the price was right but every time I find a max tow on a lot, it's over $50k discounted. You can get a dang nice 3/4 ton for that.

I can get a brand new 2018 XLT, 3.5L Ecoboost, 10 spd transmission, SuperCrew, 4x4, 6.5 ft bed, Equipment Group 301A, Heavy duty payload package, spray in bed liner, hard tonneau cover, remote start, running boards, and towing mirrors for $46K (including incentives), right now today. The MSRP is only $52K plus you get to subtract $2750 in incentives.

Posted By: Chase_WV on 03/06/18 10:06am

I guess there is no need for the 250/2500 or 350/3500 trucks with Iron blocks any more since we now have F150s with an extra leaf spring and a turbo charged aluminum V-6 engine.

2017 Ram 3500 6.7 CTD
2012 Keystone Hideout 31RBDS (Reese Dual Cam WD)

Posted By: Samsonsworld on 03/06/18 10:08am

I keep hearing that but I never see the deal. Do you have a link? I do see a well equipped 3/4 ton for $46k.

Posted By: IdaD on 03/06/18 10:19am

troubledwaters wrote:

IdaD wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:

IDK, I'd be tempted if the price was right but every time I find a max tow on a lot, it's over $50k discounted. You can get a dang nice 3/4 ton for that.

Yes, exactly. I paid just under $40k for the truck in my sig in June 2015 - same basic configuration as that truck, slightly lighter on options but not hugely so, with the Cummins diesel. Trucks have gone up in pricing since then but I could still get a comparable truck for less than $46k.

Posted By: DutchmenSport on 03/06/18 10:39am

Chase_WV wrote:

I guess there is no need for the 250/2500 or 350/3500 trucks with Iron blocks any more since we now have F150s with an extra leaf spring and a turbo charged aluminum V-6 engine.

Well said! [emoticon]

Posted By: troubledwaters on 03/06/18 10:49am

IdaD wrote:

troubledwaters wrote:

IdaD wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:

IDK, I'd be tempted if the price was right but every time I find a max tow on a lot, it's over $50k discounted. You can get a dang nice 3/4 ton for that.

I've priced the "comparable" 3/4 ton truck, depending on incentives at the time the prices can be real close but the 3/4 ton is generally about $2K more (at times the difference has been a few hundred, incentives vary a lot month to month). And go ahead and press that diesel button and you can throw another $9K at the price.

The deal breaker for me is you can't get the 3.5 Ecoboost or the 10 sp transmission in the 3/4 ton. If I can get the payload I need with the 3.5 Ecoboost and 10 sp transmission i'm all in. Get me a 3/4 ton in that configuration and I could change my mind.

* This post was edited 03/06/18 10:56am by troubledwaters *

Posted By: troubledwaters on 03/06/18 11:07am

Samsonsworld wrote:

I keep hearing that but I never see the deal. Do you have a link? I do see a well equipped 3/4 ton for $46k.

Actually the truck you posted is $47K and it's missing about $2,500 in options I mentioned.

Posted By: Samsonsworld on 03/06/18 11:36am

troubledwaters wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:

I keep hearing that but I never see the deal. Do you have a link? I do see a well equipped 3/4 ton for $46k.

Actually the truck you posted is $47K and it's missing about $2,500 in options I mentioned.

I guess I'll just have to take your word for it. But there is a lot on the f250 that is beefed up compared to the f150. It should cost a little more.

Just for the record, I'd love to see an ecoboost in a 3/4 ton.

Posted By: sgfrye on 03/06/18 12:04pm

Samsonsworld wrote:

x2 on this

i own a 33 ft tt averaging about 7000 to 7500lbs loaded depending on whats in holding tanks.

i own a 2000 f150 5.4 liter and originally towed the tt with it for about 3 months. towed ok but was never 100 happy with it.

in september i bought a 2017 f250 6.2 gasser. world of difference. the 250 pulls it like a utility trailer. like someone else commented a 3/4 ton is for pulling, the 1/2 if for lighter pulling and daily driving.

Posted By: goducks10 on 03/06/18 12:26pm

sgfrye wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:

I won't bash any 3/4 ton, heck I own one. I just have to say though there's a big difference from your old 2000 F150 with the dog 5.4 4 spd compared to todays F150 with either and or Max Tow or the HDPP 3.5 and 10 sp tranny. In the super crew 6.5" bed it would be more thn capable of towing your TT.
It's not equal to your F250 though.

Posted By: TomG2 on 03/06/18 12:31pm

For the doubters out there, try these three things with both 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton versions. Jump on the rear bumper of both models and try to rock it from side to side. Crawl underneath and look at things like frames, brakes, etc. Borrow/rent both series pickups. You will soon be driving a 3/4 ton or heavier pickup when towing more than a few thousand pounds.

Posted By: bikendan on 03/06/18 12:37pm

I own a 3.5 Ecoboost with the Max Tow Package and there's no way of 20mpg average, unless it's on freeway/highway.
Mixed will be 14-15mpg.

The 2.7 Ecoboost will get better mileage but it has a lower tow rating.

But mine gets the same all around mpg that my Avalanche did and it can tow 4000lbs more and has 500lbs more payload.
And towing with it is an absolute pleasure in comparison.

Dan- Firefighter, Retired">, Shawn- Musician/Entrepreneur">, Zoe- Faithful Golden Retriever(RIP">), 2014 Ford F150 3.5 EcoboostMax Tow pkg, 2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255 w/4pt Equalizer and 5 Mtn. bikes and 2 Road bikes

Posted By: mhamershock on 03/06/18 12:42pm

joedekock wrote:

mhamershock wrote:

Order you a F150 3.5 SCREW Eco with the HDPP. Get the Lariat and the 6.5' bed. You can thank me later.

Mike

This is exactly the F150 I would get. Thanks!

It's what I have and I love it. 10k miles now, 2K of them towing 7500 lbs.

Mike

Posted By: mhamershock on 03/06/18 12:47pm

TomG2 wrote:

No, no you won't. Not if you look at the F150 HDPP version. Come look at mine, and tow with it. It's simply amazing for a 1/2 ton truck.

Mike

Posted By: Bionic Man on 03/06/18 01:24pm

mhamershock wrote:

TomG2 wrote:

No, no you won't. Not if you look at the F150 HDPP version. Come look at mine, and tow with it. It's simply amazing for a 1/2 ton truck.

Mike

I agree with you Mike. Not just on your truck, but on most 150/1500s. Sure they have their limitations, but to think the can't tow anything over "a few thousand pounds" is inaccurate. The new trucks have come a long way in the last several years. These types of statements just feed into the stereotype that you need overkill for everything on this forum.

Posted By: TomG2 on 03/06/18 01:34pm

mhamershock wrote:

Not if you look at the F150 HDPP version. Come look at mine, and tow with it. It's simply amazing for a 1/2 ton truck.
Mike

I purchase new pickups every two years for the last twenty years and have never seen one or these "almost 3/4 ton" models on a dealer's lot. I agree that they are much more capable than the average F-150. If one knows enough to order one, they will not be asking for "opinions on half ton trucks". They already appreciate the upgrades that HD models offer. You proved my point. The heavier duty the pickup, the more satisfactory it will perform.

Posted By: Samsonsworld on 03/06/18 02:02pm

mhamershock wrote:

It's what I have and I love it. 10k miles now, 2K of them towing 7500 lbs.

Mike

How long is your box?

Posted By: Atlee on 03/06/18 02:49pm

My current F150, a 2014 model, does a fine job towing my 6500# GVWR Jayco 23RB. It is an XLT, 3.5L ECO, Supercab, 4x4, with MaxTow and HDPP. The bed is 8' and WB is 163" and has a 2286# CC.

I should really find out it's strengths and weaknesses this summer when we plan on going to southern Utah, Idaho, Yellowstone & Grand Tetons, Montana, and South Dakota.

The only draw back is maneuvering in a parking lot. It does have a wide turning radius.

Erroll, Mary
2021 Coachmen Freedom Express 20SE
2014 F150 Supercab 4x4 w/ 8' box, Ecoboost & HD Pkg
Equal-i-zer Hitch

Posted By: goducks10 on 03/06/18 02:54pm

TomG2 wrote:

mhamershock wrote:

Not if you look at the F150 HDPP version. Come look at mine, and tow with it. It's simply amazing for a 1/2 ton truck.
Mike

This is the 4th one I've seen on a dealers lot in the last couple weeks. And the 2nd one near me.
http://www.windowsticker.forddirect.com/........bZsj1xBU36nOxOqQtVGo8BdWt7IqxWkpnZVuA%3D

Decent price too.
http://www.doherty-ford.com/new/Ford/201........e75506a99fc0da5d34.htm?searchDepth=13:13

Posted By: TomG2 on 03/06/18 04:48pm

If one does an Internet search, there are a few others out there. What is your point? I have looked at hundreds of F-150's over the years and have never seen one on a lot in Illinois or South Texas. I am sure they make a nice bridge between most F-150's and F-250's. We had something like them at work and they drove the mechanics nuts. Some parts were generic F-150, some were not. Of course this was fifteen years ago. The closer they are to being F-250's, the more capable they become. No surprise there.

Posted By: TomG2 on 03/06/18 04:59pm

goducks10 wrote:

http://www.windowsticker.forddirect.com/........bZsj1xBU36nOxOqQtVGo8BdWt7IqxWkpnZVuA%3D

Decent price too.
http://www.doherty-ford.com/new/Ford/201........e75506a99fc0da5d34.htm?searchDepth=13:13

Nice price and an upgraded trim package too.

Posted By: Ron3rd on 03/06/18 05:39pm

TomG2 wrote:

Buy the F250 to begin with and end the discussion

2016 6.7 CTD 2500 BIG HORN MEGA CAB
2013 Forest River 3001W Windjammer
Equilizer Hitch
Honda EU2000

"I have this plan to live forever; so far my plan is working"

Posted By: jrhanbar98 on 03/06/18 06:15pm

Seems like a lot of a Ford opinions I’ll share a Chevy. I own a 17 LTZ 8sp 6.2. I specifically sought out this combo as like you I tow maybe 7-10 trips a year. I tow either a 6500lbs 12’x14’ enclosed trailer for Scouts or a 25’ 7200lbs Gulfstream. I tow enough for a HD 1/2 ton but not enough for a 3/4 ton. If I full timed or drove in the mountains I’d probably have the 3/4 ton but I don’t. The 8 speed keeps the engine in the power band, and there is plenty of it. Braking is excellent as well. Pulling trailer I get about 11-13 mpg. Not pulling I get 20-23 hwy 12-14 city. Handling with the Scout trailer is rock solid, still need to fine tune the Equalizer on the RV, but it’s 95% there. Payload is 1556lbs. Life is sometimes a compromise, tough living with a 3/4 ton 350 days a year to use it 15. I also know how to pack. With the RV I am close to my payload so I do not put anything in the truck bed and I don’t carry water. The slide out has the dinette right over the axels of the TT that’s where most of our stuff goes. Essentially I have more cargo capacity in the trailer than the truck, not a perfect solution but one that works for me the few times a year I tow.

Posted By: goducks10 on 03/06/18 06:35pm

TomG2 wrote:

goducks10 wrote:

http://www.windowsticker.forddirect.com/........bZsj1xBU36nOxOqQtVGo8BdWt7IqxWkpnZVuA%3D

Decent price too.
http://www.doherty-ford.com/new/Ford/201........e75506a99fc0da5d34.htm?searchDepth=13:13

Nice price and an upgraded trim package too.

Notice no tow mirrors. Many guys think you get tow mirrors as part of the package when you get the Max Tow or HDPP.

Posted By: Samsonsworld on 03/07/18 06:47am

You're still in the same price range as a comparably equipped F250...not quite as flashy, but close...and it does have tow mirrors.

2018 f250https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/728581245/overview/

Each to his own but I'd buy as much truck as you can afford for a 30' trailer. I went from 27' to 35' TT. I was ecstatic with the F150 when I towed the first trailer. Had many white knuckle tows with the second. The length of the box makes more difference than weight imo. At 30', the OP is right on my bubble but I'd lean to the side of caution. I guess I've given more than $.02...oh well...I'll shut up now. :/

Posted By: VernDiesel on 03/07/18 07:18am

So you can take a little time go to the scales & learn to set up your hitch & load by scale results to get the safety & stability you want for towing your TT plus have what you want as a daily driver. Or if that’s too scary you can buy a 3/4 ton expect it to handle the TT even without going to the scales & live with it as your daily. Either can be workable.

Posted By: Samsonsworld on 03/07/18 07:34am

VernDiesel wrote:

Going from a 21' box to a 27' box is a 29% increase in surface area (same as my 24' to 31'). The longer the box, the more a strong wind will affect you. Your set-up won't change that fact.

Posted By: TomG2 on 03/07/18 07:58am

VernDiesel wrote:

Going to the scales is always a good idea. I would not assume that adjusting a hitch or even changing hitches is going to make a F-150 perform like a F-250. There is a huge difference, which is what I learned by renting a 2005 F-250 in 2007.

Posted By: goducks10 on 03/07/18 08:52am

When I was looking to replace my 2010 F150 I looked at a 2012 F150 HDPP in the XL trim with the chrome appearance and power options. It priced out real close to what my 12 Ram ST CTD 4x4 CCLB did after the $10K rebate Ram and the dealer were offering.
I was doing a build and price on the Ford so I'd have to order it and not sure what rebates I would've been able to get. I could've probably got the F150 HDPP for a little less than the Ram CTD but not enough to warrant having a true 3/4 ton truck with twice the power and better MPG towing.

Posted By: troubledwaters on 03/07/18 09:52am

goducks10 wrote:

That may have been true for you, but I can guarantee 99.9% of the retail truck buyers are not going to get a "comparably similar" truck with a diesel in it anywhere near the same price as a gasser.

Posted By: IdaD on 03/07/18 11:01am

troubledwaters wrote:

goducks10 wrote:

That may have been true for you, but I can guarantee 99.9% of the retail truck buyers are not going to get a "comparably similar" truck with a diesel in it anywhere near the same price as a gasser.

Sweet, I've never been in the .1% of anything before now! [emoticon]

Posted By: mhamershock on 03/07/18 11:15am

Samsonsworld wrote:

mhamershock wrote:

It's what I have and I love it. 10k miles now, 2K of them towing 7500 lbs.

Mike

How long is your box?

6.5 bed. I had a 5.5 bed with last one, and it was too short to provide the stability I want.

M

Posted By: goducks10 on 03/07/18 11:20am

troubledwaters wrote:

goducks10 wrote:

That may have been true for you, but I can guarantee 99.9% of the retail truck buyers are not going to get a "comparably similar" truck with a diesel in it anywhere near the same price as a gasser.

They're all over the place.
https://www.rontonkinchryslerjeepdodgera......../2018-ram-2500-milwaukie-oregon-33126572
If you build and price an F150 XL supercrew 6.5 bed with the HDPP and all the options to bring it up the the Ram it's around $45,330.

* This post was edited 03/07/18 11:34am by goducks10 *

Posted By: BenK on 03/07/18 12:06pm

Thought this 'half ton' mentality would not surprise me much anymore, but this thread continues...

By the time the 'folks who insist only on a 'half ton', even though they should have a higher class TV...they have built or purchased an 'almost' 3/4 ton, but lesser class never the less and the 'ride quality' inches up to the next higher class...AKA 3/4 ton or more

Main reason why the current 'half ton' marketing badge's are close to or even higher priced than the next higher class TV...AKA 3/4 ton (+8.6K GVWR)...but still not a higher class TV...just look at the RGAWR...not there yet...just to say they won't own a higher class TV, but a 'half ton' TV...

Lost to many is that all thinks designed/engineered is NOT for the good days out there where just about anything can tow anything...but...for the day Mr Murphy crosses your path (not just the other guy's path)...either you have the ability to manhandle the situation or not (mentally, experience and setup) spot on. No time to go back to the store for proper/bigger/etc or re-setup...

f150 specs-what do I need, page #4
That OP was running around in circles trying to find that 'fake half ton' via all of the advisers marketing badging...with over 14 F150's to choose from...my bet was that she had a 1 in 14 chance of finding or ordering the 'right one'...AKA Fake half ton...

BenK wrote:

Sure hope the OP gets it right...either buying used or ordering new...

With over a dozen different F150's (the one everyone suggesting is what I call 'The Fake Half Ton', but everyone is not clear on the order/model/trim/etc)

Am guessing chances (odds) of getting the right one a 1 in 14...which has a higher chance of getting the wrong one...

Or...get the next higher class truck...that will have more ratings (AKA margin) than The Fake Half Ton...IMHO...

-Ben Picture of my rig
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...

Posted By: troubledwaters on 03/07/18 12:21pm

BenK wrote:

By the time the 'folks who insist only on a 'half ton', even though they should have a higher class TV...they have built or purchased an 'almost' 3/4 ton, but lesser class never the less and the 'ride quality' inches up to the next higher class...AKA 3/4 ton or more

When they put a 3.5 Ecoboost and 10 sp transmission in a 3/4 ton give me a call. Until then ......

Posted By: BenK on 03/07/18 02:01pm

yup...when they update the spec to allow usage in that higher class TV, will they finally offer that config

Until then, it is NOT offered in the next higher class TV. Just like the GM 6.2L gasser...regulated to the half ton market

Duty cycle...and very different between cars, half tons vs higher class TVs...

troubledwaters wrote:

BenK wrote:

When they put a 3.5 Ecoboost and 10 sp transmission in a 3/4 ton give me a call. Until then ......

Posted By: IdaD on 03/07/18 02:01pm

troubledwaters wrote:

BenK wrote:

When they put a 3.5 Ecoboost and 10 sp transmission in a 3/4 ton give me a call. Until then ......

Any of the current "big diesels" with their 6 speed transmissions would outperform that drivetrain both with respect to performance and fuel economy.

Posted By: Samsonsworld on 03/07/18 02:27pm

I think BenK nailed it with duty cycle. The majority of heavy duty gas trucks are probably used for commercial purposes. Both the GM 6.0l and the Ford 6.2l are dang near bulletproof. I joke that it should be a F150,000 and F250,000, because that's probably how many miles you'll get out of them without any major problems.

But performance of the 3.5l sure sounds nice and I've only hit 100k miles once.

Posted By: troubledwaters on 03/07/18 02:57pm

IdaD wrote:

troubledwaters wrote:

BenK wrote:

When they put a 3.5 Ecoboost and 10 sp transmission in a 3/4 ton give me a call. Until then ......

Any of the current "big diesels" with their 6 speed transmissions would outperform that drivetrain both with respect to performance and fuel economy.

... And cost $9,000.00 more.

Posted By: IdaD on 03/07/18 03:56pm

troubledwaters wrote:

IdaD wrote:

troubledwaters wrote:

BenK wrote:

When they put a 3.5 Ecoboost and 10 sp transmission in a 3/4 ton give me a call. Until then ......

Any of the current "big diesels" with their 6 speed transmissions would outperform that drivetrain both with respect to performance and fuel economy.

... And cost $9,000.00 more.

My truck was roughly $39,400 before tax and title approx 3 years ago. I could not have touched a 2015 F150 in a Crew Cab 6.5' bed configuration with the 3.5EB, 4wd, HD Payload/Max Tow and the various options my truck has for $30,400 at that time.

Posted By: tinner12002 on 03/08/18 04:22am

I'd go drive each of the big three in 3/4 ton and see which one feels and or drives best for you. A 3/4 ton will be a little taller but no wider so no difference in parking but they will be heavier with a better susp so the overall towing experience will be much better in my opinion.

2015 Ram 3500/DRW/Aisin/auto/Max tow/4.10s,Cummins, stock Laramie Limited--Silver
Tequila Sunrise 2012 Ultra Classic Limited
2018 Raptor 428SP

Posted By: TomG2 on 03/08/18 07:47am

tinner12002 wrote:

X2

The physical size thing is the one that some people don't understand. Better is not always "Bigger". I have owned three very drivable and great towing GM 2500HD pickups.

Posted By: Copperhead on 03/15/18 06:41pm

One usually will get far more value for their dollar in getting a 3/4 ton. A well spec'd 3/4 ton is usually in the same price range as a well spec'd 1/2 ton, yet the 3/4 ton will offer so much more.

My 2015 2500 double cab 6.5' bed, 6.0L L96 with 4.10, Z71, LT, snow plow prep, tow package with integrated brake controller, 5W/Gooseneck prep, with a Line-X bed liner, Auto Armor 7 yr paint protection package and rust prevention package, along with Raptor running boards, and I took it, brand new, off the lot for $38K. It has 13,500 lb tow rating, and 9500 lb GVWR, which if there are two people, full tank of fuel, and a couple hundred lb of tools in the back, there remains about 2400 lb of payload available. To even remotely approach that capability, one would have to spec out a 1/2 ton to such a degree that I seriously doubt they could drive it off the lot for under $45K, even in 2015. And it still would not have the capability of my 3/4 ton, and especially the capability of dealing with a trailer in 30 mph cross winds and other fun scenarios. There is lot of difference in structure, suspension, brakes, etc. That is why a 1500 is a Class 1 truck and the 2500 is a class 2 truck. And no matter how one tries with engines and such, a Class 1 is not going to be a Class 2.

I don't use my pickup as a daily driver. That is what my Cadillac is made for. I don't expect or demand my pickup to be the same in ride quality or comfort as my Cadillac. I know that many will buy a pickup trying to cover all the bases, but trying to make something fit both car and truck scenarios usually makes it not all that great for either scenario.

Posted By: Passin Thru on 03/15/18 08:18pm

I have 2 3/4 ton diesel and wouldn't have a 1/2 ton. They are too wimpy, Fords are Aluminum and everything will dent them including boards in the bed. Too bad That when you buy one the 1st thing you have to do is buy a bedliner and brush guard and top of bed protection and put some real metal between the cab and bed. We rented a Toyota Tundra and the bed was pushed into the cab at 20k miles and I grabbed it and pulled it back.

Posted By: martinto on 03/16/18 01:06pm

joedekock wrote:

2016 Sierra SLT, 6.2l 8 speed with Max Tow pkg...rated to tow 11,700lbs. Payload at 1834. Pulling a 28ft TT about 7500 lbs loaded. went cross country thru the Rockies. 7000 miles plus. WDH and sway bar...heavy cross winds in South Dakota and Wyoming...maintained complete control. Climbing and descending 11000 ft mountains on cruise at 55-60...effortless.

Posted By: martinto on 03/16/18 01:07pm

Posted By: Groover on 03/18/18 01:18pm

Passin Thru wrote:

I have been using a 2016 aluminum F150 commercially for nearly 2 years now and have not encountered any of those problems that you have listed. However, I have noticed that the scratches in the paint are not leading to corrosion. I have had a bed pushed into the cab but that was on my old 3/4 ton. From what I have seen until recently everyone use the same bed for all their full size pickups. Ford is putting a little heavier bed on the Super duty trucks now.

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