* This post was edited 08/18/17 08:02pm by kartsahd *
2013 Chevy 3500HD CC dually
2014 Voltage 3600 toy hauler
2019 RZR 1000XP TRE
2005 Gulf Stream Conquest 31ft
BigFoot Levelers,TST in tire TPMS,Bilstein Shocks,Trans temp guage,Lowrace iWAY
Traveling with my best friend, my wife in a 1990 Southwind
Either way braking is a issue and your fuel milage ia garbage.
1992 D250 Cummins 5psd
2005 Forest River T26 Toy Hauler
bumpy
Here is the GVWR & GCWR ratings per the link provided
![[image]](http://i.imgur.com/MgFUnFXl.jpg)
Here is the tow rating as per the link provided
![[image]](http://i.imgur.com/VNsRVzNl.jpg)
Take the GCWR and subtract the Taco's actual weight, loaded ready to go
That will be the REAL MTWR (max tow weight rating), as the above tow rating from Toyota is with a 'curb' TACO, which few people will ever order
For those who think the OEM's MTWR is an absolute...take the GCWR and subtract the curb and it will be very close to the listed MTWR (there are other things in there, like the WD Hitch system and one 150 lb driver)
{edit}...of course the above charts only matter if you believe in the OEM ratings system or not...
-Ben Picture of my rig
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
Chevy Sonic 1.8-Honda Passport C70B-Host Mammoth 11.5-Interstate Car Carrier 20-Joyner SandViper 250-Kawasaki Concours ZG1000-Paros 8' flatbed-Pelican Decker DLX 8.75-Ram 5500 HD
What do you think?
FWIW and all things being fairly equal, I towed a 21'6"L x 7'W x 9'9"H TT that weighed fully loaded 4050lbs with a 2006 Nissan Frontier 2wd AT.
It struggled on hills and died in the mntns. 8.5 mpg. I had the 4.0L V6 as well.
I also had a 6500lb tow rating. 260hp. So pretty close as far as performance would be considered.
I traded up to an 08 F150 5.4 3.73 gears. Night and day as they say. MPG went up to 10.5. Towing was effertless.
JMHO but if you're a sunday driver who doesn't care when they get where they're going to, then it will be fine.
If you are the type that will pass people in a passing lane and like to run at a decent speed then you'll hate it.
What was frustrating was my Nissan empty was a pretty quick and sporty truck. Loaded up with the wife and I and the TT is was a big dog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkBmiZV09w
In other words, your boat would be easy work for the Tacoma.
I can tell you this, I have a '06 Frontier, V6, six speed manual with 150K miles on it. Approx 50K miles have been towing this 4100 pound Funfinder or my two horse Titan trailer with the quarter horse in it. It will maintain 60 mph up a 6% grade, on cruise control, in 4th gear.
3000 rpm. Easy. I've towed this travel trailer from sea level to the highest passes of Colorado multiple times.
gmw photos wrote:
OP you should check out the TFL video where they hook a big boxy stock trailer to a new Taco and run it up the Ike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkBmiZV09w
In other words, your boat would be easy work for the Tacoma.
I can tell you this, I have a '06 Frontier, V6, six speed manual with 150K miles on it. Approx 50K miles have been towing this 4100 pound Funfinder or my two horse Titan trailer with the quarter horse in it. It will maintain 60 mph up a 6% grade, on cruise control, in 4th gear.
3000 rpm. Easy. I've towed this travel trailer from sea level to the highest passes of Colorado multiple times.
OP you should check out the TFL video where they hook a big boxy stock trailer to a new Taco and run it up the Ike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkBmiZV09w
In other words, your boat would be easy work for the Tacoma.
I can tell you this, I have a '06 Frontier, V6, six speed manual with 150K miles on it. Approx 50K miles have been towing this 4100 pound Funfinder or my two horse Titan trailer with the quarter horse in it. It will maintain 60 mph up a 6% grade, on cruise control, in 4th gear.
3000 rpm. Easy. I've towed this travel trailer from sea level to the highest passes of Colorado multiple times.
Your gearings different. I would've been in 3rd wound out trying hopelessly to reach 60 mph up a 6% grade towing 4050 lbs.
goducks10 wrote:
Your gearings different. I would've been in 3rd wound out trying hopelessly to reach 60 mph up a 6% grade towing 4050 lbs.
gmw photos wrote:
OP you should check out the TFL video where they hook a big boxy stock trailer to a new Taco and run it up the Ike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkBmiZV09w
In other words, your boat would be easy work for the Tacoma.
I can tell you this, I have a '06 Frontier, V6, six speed manual with 150K miles on it. Approx 50K miles have been towing this 4100 pound Funfinder or my two horse Titan trailer with the quarter horse in it. It will maintain 60 mph up a 6% grade, on cruise control, in 4th gear.
3000 rpm. Easy. I've towed this travel trailer from sea level to the highest passes of Colorado multiple times.
OP you should check out the TFL video where they hook a big boxy stock trailer to a new Taco and run it up the Ike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkBmiZV09w
In other words, your boat would be easy work for the Tacoma.
I can tell you this, I have a '06 Frontier, V6, six speed manual with 150K miles on it. Approx 50K miles have been towing this 4100 pound Funfinder or my two horse Titan trailer with the quarter horse in it. It will maintain 60 mph up a 6% grade, on cruise control, in 4th gear.
3000 rpm. Easy. I've towed this travel trailer from sea level to the highest passes of Colorado multiple times.
Your gearings different. I would've been in 3rd wound out trying hopelessly to reach 60 mph up a 6% grade towing 4050 lbs.
GoDucks, that's true on the Frontier. The manual has 3.69 rear gear vs the automatic having 3.34. On the automatic Frontiers, you have to pedal them and let 'em rev. I have a good friend that has the identical truck to mine except automatic. For a while she pulled an identical trailer to mine, now she has a Lance. I told her, put your foot in it and let it eat.
Third in a Frontier automatic is 1.52:1. Fourth in my manual is 1.23:1. The overall ratio for mine in fourth is 4.53. The O/A for an automatic in third is 5.1. So yes you would be revving more to do the same speed, but not much.
To the OP, you're gonna have to rev the Taco to get it to do the job. It has an over 6Krpm redline. You aren't going to hurt it at all. Let it rev. My bet is you can pull that boat up the steepest hill with no more than 4500 rpm. I never rev my Frontier past 4000 to tow this trailer. Mostly, it's never past 3500.
Again to the OP, watch the video. You or I would not likely run up that hill that way in our own truck. We'd get over in the right lane behind and 18 wheeler doing 35 to 40 and just take our time. But the vid points out, the Taco can make the run in 8 minutes. For me, it's not a race to the top. To them, it is.
EDIT: a followup thought on my Frontier. I use the cruise mostly when on the highway. Even going up grades, the cruise maintains the speed in fourth ( of six ) gears. The fact the cruise will maintain the speed tells us it is not wide open throttle, because the cruise is designed such that it cannot take the throttle to WFO. If it tries to approach wide open, it kicks the cruise off. But once again, this caveat, mine is a manual transmission.
* This post was edited 01/31/18 09:01am by gmw photos *
I got 14 mpg towing.
bumpy
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Plus it has more payload capacity. My RL is 1546 lbs.HAD a '16 Tacoma for a year pulling the Sig. TT. It would pull the TT down the road OK but the experience was horrible. Mostly the loud engine exhaust noise which got very tiring after the 1st hour. On a few occasions it REALY struggled to push a 3700 lb trailer back into camping spots without going into 4 LO. You can imagine the driveline noises it made while doing backing maneuvers.
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The RL is quiet going down the road, is more comfortable has full time 4WD and it dose not struggle to move the TT at campsites.
The towing experience is vastly superior with the RL and a GREAT daily driver. It is a capable machine which is very well engineered with features like a large lockable, water proof in bed trunk.
I really wanted to like the Taco and bought it based on its sterling street reputation. That was a mistake that cost me a few thousand dollars. It would be wise to consider a Ridgeline.
'17 Lance 1475 w/160 w solar, Grp 31 Deep Cycl Trojan, Tire Traker TPMS, Prog. Ind. EMS-PT30C
'17 Ridgeline RTL AWD Equalizer 600/6000
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A truck, a camper, a few toys, but most importantly a wonderful family.
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5” turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold
What's the issue? Long distance towing is a check of a lot different than going no more than 35-40 mph a few miles down the road. That's assuming you do not have any serious grades to go up or down, IE over 15%!
Hook and go!
Marty
92 Navistar dump truck, 7.3L 7 sp, 4.33 gears with a Detroit no spin
2014 Chevy 1500 Dual cab 4x4
92 Red-e-haul 12K equipment trailer
bumpy
blt2ski wrote:
2 miles flat ground!!!!! I'd pull that with my now non owned 76 22r Toyota pickup! My son pulls that much with his 5 yr old 4 banger yota!
What's the issue? Long distance towing is a check of a lot different than going no more than 35-40 mph a few miles down the road. That's assuming you do not have any serious grades to go up or down, IE over 15%!
Hook and go!
Marty
2 miles flat ground!!!!! I'd pull that with my now non owned 76 22r Toyota pickup! My son pulls that much with his 5 yr old 4 banger yota!
What's the issue? Long distance towing is a check of a lot different than going no more than 35-40 mph a few miles down the road. That's assuming you do not have any serious grades to go up or down, IE over 15%!
Hook and go!
Marty
Come on Marty......dont you know using common sense without 172 pages of quantum physics calculations is required here or at any other RV forum? Especially when it comes to pulling a 21' boat that has less drag and probably puts less weight on the truck than hauling a new refrigerator home from Lowes in the bed. The OP is going to need a one ton diesel dually for that boat.
Ralph Cramden wrote:
Come on Marty......dont you know using common sense without 172 pages of quantum physics calculations is required here or at any other RV forum? Especially when it comes to pulling a 21' boat that has less drag and probably puts less weight on the truck than hauling a new refrigerator home from Lowes in the bed. The OP is going to need a one ton diesel dually for that boat.
blt2ski wrote:
2 miles flat ground!!!!! I'd pull that with my now non owned 76 22r Toyota pickup! My son pulls that much with his 5 yr old 4 banger yota!
What's the issue? Long distance towing is a check of a lot different than going no more than 35-40 mph a few miles down the road. That's assuming you do not have any serious grades to go up or down, IE over 15%!
Hook and go!
Marty
2 miles flat ground!!!!! I'd pull that with my now non owned 76 22r Toyota pickup! My son pulls that much with his 5 yr old 4 banger yota!
What's the issue? Long distance towing is a check of a lot different than going no more than 35-40 mph a few miles down the road. That's assuming you do not have any serious grades to go up or down, IE over 15%!
Hook and go!
Marty
Come on Marty......dont you know using common sense without 172 pages of quantum physics calculations is required here or at any other RV forum? Especially when it comes to pulling a 21' boat that has less drag and probably puts less weight on the truck than hauling a new refrigerator home from Lowes in the bed. The OP is going to need a one ton diesel dually for that boat.
I'd skip the 1 ton dually, go big! class 8! Besides, most one tons have the ability to fit in the DOT class 4 range today.....unlike yesterdays 1 tons!
Marty