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Topic: How do you lock/secure your generator?
Posted By: TurnThePage on 07/21/17 11:25am

My Yamaha EF2800i was easy to secure since it was an open frame design. Aside from the handles, my new Champion 3400 model doesn't show any obvious places to secure a locking device to it. Any brilliant ideas out there?

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Posted By: pianotuna on 07/21/17 11:37am

Hi,

I had a cage built for my Yamaha 3000 sIEB. A determined thief could still steal it--but they are going to have to work a lot harder to do so.

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Posted By: the bear II on 07/21/17 11:40am

I do not leave my generator outside unless I am where I can see it. At night after it has cooled off, I close the gas cap vent and place the unit in the front floorboard of my truck.

When in use I have a one inch thick cable motorcycle lock that I picked up at a garage sale. I also use a 4 foot piece of logging chain with a high quality theft deterrent padlock. Both the cable and the chain go through the handle. I wrap the chain one time around the body of the generator and lock a second lock to close the loop as close to the generator as possible. Both the cable and chain are place through an opening in the frame of my 5th wheel and locked.

It seems most thefts happen at night or when the RV owner is away for a period of time. One RV'er was inside his RV at Quartzite watching TV at night when the TV died. He ran outside as quick as possible and due to the desert darkness couldn't see anyone or any vehicle leaving his campsite. His generator was locked to the rear bumper of his TT using a heavy bicycle cable lock. He didn't hear the cable being cut or any unusual noise before the TV died.

Another RV'er at Q lost his generator while he was out shopping for a few hours. He thought it would be safe because there were other RVs nearby....no one saw anything.

Posted By: stickdog on 07/21/17 11:43am

I just use a cable lock through the handle secured to the stairs. It's only to keep the honest, honest. It won't stop a determined thief. Life is too short to worry about wht might be.

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Posted By: kerrlakeRoo on 07/21/17 11:49am

cable lock and a Glock, and scattering a few empty shell casings near it also helps.

Posted By: dave54 on 07/21/17 12:02pm

Not at all when using it.

Cable lock through handles and the frame when away for a time. I lock it at the rear of the rig, away from the road, and throw a camo tarp over it. That at least hides the color and shape, making it less obvious to anyone driving by.

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Posted By: BizmarksMom on 07/21/17 12:02pm

Cable lock through the handle of my Honda EU 2000 and then through a tie down in the bed of my truck. When I'm not using the genny, the tailgate is locked and the tonneau cover is closed. It's out of site, and harder to get to.

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Posted By: ctilsie242 on 07/21/17 12:46pm

One cable lock through one handle, one security chain through the other handle... done. Worked for my Yamaha 3000 iSE, and works for my 4000 watt Champion. I've had people yank the generator and try to lift it out, but that tended to stop when they realized it was secured.

Posted By: pianotuna on 07/21/17 12:48pm

I had a hardened steel cable. They came equipped with something to cut it. It was gone in seconds.

Posted By: tinner12002 on 07/21/17 02:10pm

I have a toy lock retractable cable setup that I lock my Honda, extra gas can and 6 gal gas tank that Honda draws from all hooked together and locked to my steps. I usually run cable trough my folding table also and haven't had any issues, they are on the door side of the camper so they are always in sight. On your gen with no handle as one poster commented to build a lockable cage for it.

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Posted By: tinner12002 on 07/21/17 02:12pm

kerrlakeRoo wrote:

cable lock and a Glock, and scattering a few empty shell casings near it also helps.



Lol! Great idea, I hadn't thought of that!!

Posted By: GordonThree on 07/21/17 02:39pm

While my generator's running, I sit next to it with my 12g Remington across my lap. Nobody's walking off with my generator!

Honestly, I don't bother with anything. I've logged nearly 50,000 miles traveling all over the US and Canada with my RV so far, and nothing's been stolen. If an area gives me any sort of willies or creepy feeling, I don't stay there. That includes snowbird "villages" out in the deserts of Arizona, etc. where a lot of this theft seems to happen.

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Posted By: phillyg on 07/21/17 04:10pm

I run a cable through my Champion 3400 handles and lock it to a tie-down in the truck bed.

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Posted By: Grit dog on 07/21/17 05:38pm

BizmarksMom wrote:

Cable lock through the handle of my Honda EU 2000 and then through a tie down in the bed of my truck. When I'm not using the genny, the tailgate is locked and the tonneau cover is closed. It's out of site, and harder to get to.


This is what I do but with a heavy chain. My tie downs are kinda chintzy and screwed into the bed side, so I loc tited that one in, lol. It's inaccessible when I have the camper on the truck so pretty safe. Otherwise it's just to keep the semi honest people off it.
Note I'd probably be looking at a more secure system or store it in the truck if we camped in sketchy areas or cities.

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Posted By: tragusa3 on 07/21/17 06:04pm

Steel cable locked to truck bed. Tailgate and topper both lock. Keeps the honest honest and amateur thieves would probably pass.

I was surprised this summer of how many folks left theirs unattended and just sitting on the ground. I saw at least a dozen that way...with nobody home. That's when I knew mine would be safe! [emoticon]

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Posted By: Redwoodcamper on 07/21/17 06:44pm

Dog in campsite. Easy as that. It's not worth the anxiety worrying about it besides that.
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Posted By: theoldwizard1 on 07/21/17 07:50pm

pianotuna wrote:

I had a hardened steel cable. They came equipped with something to cut it. It was gone in seconds.

Sadly true. If they are professionals, there is not much you can do. 30-60 seconds with a battery powered angle grinder and even a rank amateur will have your stuff.

Steel cable is more difficult to cut than chain with bolt cutters. Also, you would be surprised at how poorly made "good" padlocks are. The best ones are made by ABUS (a German company)

Posted By: OH48Lt on 07/21/17 08:03pm

Less than 10 seconds with a battery powered Sawz-All through the handle. 2 cuts, the generator is gone.

Using a gun to protect a generator? Really? I hope ya'll are just kidding about that. Maybe butt-stroke him with the shotgun. Shoot him in that situation, and your attorney will want at least $10K up front to start to defend you in the civil case the perps relatives file against you. Then it will start to get expensive.

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Posted By: Thom02099 on 07/21/17 09:12pm

As others have noted, if a thief wants it bad enough, s/he will likely get it.

A potential solution could be to get 2 of the smaller generators and use them in tandem when needed, use one when only one will work for whatever need you have. Smaller generators easier to move...put in the back of a truck, inside the Van or SUV, or inside a storage space in a trailer/motor home...when properly cooled.

This of course won't solve the problem for those of you that have a bigger generator, but could be an alternative thought for those considering a generator purchase. Some interesting solutions have already been submitted!

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Posted By: eDUBz on 07/21/17 09:21pm

I think I locked my two gens up once or twice. If we head out somewhere for the whole day then ill store them in the trailer or tuck them away.

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Posted By: Padlin on 07/22/17 04:52am

I use a Python Cable Lock pulled tight thru the handle and around the Honda 2k and another cable lock thru the Python to secure it to the bumper.

Of course this is only as secure as the cable itself. It's locked in the truck bed under the tonneau cover when not in use. Hopefully out of sight is sufficient.

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Posted By: colliehauler on 07/22/17 05:22am

Built in Onan so it hasn't been a issue, yet.

Posted By: tinner12002 on 07/22/17 06:00am

OH48Lt wrote:

Less than 10 seconds with a battery powered Sawz-All through the handle. 2 cuts, the generator is gone.

Using a gun to protect a generator? Really? I hope ya'll are just kidding about that. Maybe butt-stroke him with the shotgun. Shoot him in that situation, and your attorney will want at least $10K up front to start to defend you in the civil case the perps relatives file against you. Then it will start to get expensive.


I bet you'd think different if it was your Harley!! Lol! Stealing is stealing no matter what they are trying to get!

Posted By: GordonThree on 07/22/17 06:36am

OH48Lt wrote:

Less than 10 seconds with a battery powered Sawz-All through the handle. 2 cuts, the generator is gone.

Using a gun to protect a generator? Really? I hope ya'll are just kidding about that. Maybe butt-stroke him with the shotgun. Shoot him in that situation, and your attorney will want at least $10K up front to start to defend you in the civil case the perps relatives file against you. Then it will start to get expensive.


Yup, there's no point using deadly force to protect inexpensive property. Even if the generator cost thousands of dollars, replacing it or having insurance replace it is a lot cheaper than defending yourself from a civil action. Especially if you only wound whomever you shot instead of killing them. Stand your ground states only protect you from criminal prosecution, not civil.

Posted By: Dtank on 07/22/17 03:32pm

pianotuna wrote:

I had a hardened steel cable. They came equipped with something to cut it. It was gone in seconds.


Just shows to go ya.....if "somebody" wants to steal something bad enough - they *may* be able to accomplish same - in spite of your best efforts.

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There *is* a reader out there *somewhere* in forum land, that will find (and post) an article about a thief shot/wounded/killed - while in the process of stealing a generator in xxxxxx campground.

Readers, start your (search) engines!!

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Posted By: colliehauler on 07/22/17 03:57pm

With all the digital game cameras on the market you could aim one at the generator. It might not prevent the theft but would help identify the perpetrators.

Posted By: GordonThree on 07/22/17 05:36pm

Sounds like some folks have an unhealthy attachment to their material possessions, or are camping in all the wrong places.

Posted By: mbrower on 07/23/17 09:33pm

I built a rack for mine and has worked pretty well. Here is the thread. Generator rack

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Posted By: TyroneandGladys on 07/23/17 10:02pm

Look underneath and see if there are any bolts that can be removed. If so bolt a 1/8 inch piece of steel that is long enough to park a tire on.

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Posted By: SidecarFlip on 07/24/17 07:49am

kerrlakeRoo wrote:

cable lock and a Glock, and scattering a few empty shell casings near it also helps.


Problem with that is, your shell casings are so small, they get lost in the grass...lol

I use a cable lock and lock it through the rim on my pickup truck. Besides, I reload so no scattered shell casings in my campsite.

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Posted By: ctilsie242 on 07/25/17 08:35am

What is wrong with just insuring the generator for replacement value, taking a photo of the generator, making a database entry with all that info, and then using a decent lock?

If you want lock recommendations, check out Bosnianbill and LocksmithingLawyer on YouTube. I like having a security chain, as well as a cable. The chain is good at fending off manual saws and bolt cutters, while the cable will slow down an angle grinder (although it may provide 5-10 seconds difference.)

Best thing is out of sight, out of mind. A truck cap that has tinted side windows that open for ventilation might be the best thing.

I understand defending the property, but the legal hassle of explaining to a DA, the thief's family, his homeys, and the lawyer that was hired, all about why the thief's life was worth less than a generator, is just not worth it. Far cheaper to make an insurance claim and buy a new one in 2-3 weeks.

Posted By: Copperhead on 12/15/17 06:27pm

Might take a look at the generator boxes at KSH Marine. They make aluminum generator boxes that the genset sits in it and runs in it also while staying locked up. Removable panels on side allow for ventilation and exhaust. Not sure what they have for an open frame, but I have been using a Yamaha EF2000 in one of their boxes and it is great. Protected out of the weather and the gen runs great in winter or summer right inside the box. I just open the top lid, remove a couple of side panels, start everything, close the top lid and lock it. You can mount the box on a trailer tongue or bumper and the gen can ride there and operate there.

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Posted By: ependydad on 12/15/17 10:29pm

I opted for the LowPro LockDown. It seems as close to theft proof as I could find.

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Posted By: Route 66 Traveler on 12/16/17 12:27pm

Personally I would not have an ignition source that close to propane, but that's just me.

Posted By: Grit dog on 12/16/17 12:41pm

kerrlakeRoo wrote:

cable lock and a Glock, and scattering a few empty shell casings near it also helps.


Best answer yet!
Last month had a Honda 2000 ripped off in plain sight on the job. Guys had it on the tailgate running, cord stretched about 50' away. Car stopped, guy ran over, unplugged it, tossed it in the back seat and gone in like 4 seconds.
This is another one of those questions where the answer "depends". Go get a big chain and a big lock. Lock it to something? I lock mine to the tie down ring in my truck bed. When the camper is on, it's impossible to get to. When the bed is empty, it's still a challenge. One could easily in bolt the tiedown ring, but it's a torx head and I red loctited them in.

Posted By: Grit dog on 12/16/17 12:49pm

ctilsie242 wrote:

What is wrong with just insuring the generator for replacement value, taking a photo of the generator, making a database entry with all that info, and then using a decent lock?

If you want lock recommendations, check out Bosnianbill and LocksmithingLawyer on YouTube. I like having a security chain, as well as a cable. The chain is good at fending off manual saws and bolt cutters, while the cable will slow down an angle grinder (although it may provide 5-10 seconds difference.)

Best thing is out of sight, out of mind. A truck cap that has tinted side windows that open for ventilation might be the best thing.

I understand defending the property, but the legal hassle of explaining to a DA, the thief's family, his homeys, and the lawyer that was hired, all about why the thief's life was worth less than a generator, is just not worth it. Far cheaper to make an insurance claim and buy a new one in 2-3 weeks.


I'll have to look into generator policies, lol.
BTW it's covered as contents on most decent policies, homeowner or rv. Doesn't change the fact that when you get up to fire up the heater and the gene is gone, you're screwed. And unless you have a super low deductible (stupid) the deductible is half to more than the cost of the gene.
And don't worry about the rest of us. Guessing most are smart enough to not shoot someone over a generator. I might shoot the car tires though!

Funny story, a friend's neighbor got burglarized recently. Another neighbor had the perps car on video. Worthless cops wouldn't do anything with the license plate info (not enough evidence to put down the donuts). The guy with video is a cop too. Ran the plates, gave victim the address of the car. Victim went over and made the car into a bonfire! It was awesome. The only thing missing was the note on the door saying "bring my sht back or your next."

Posted By: bfast54 on 12/16/17 12:56pm

GordonThree wrote:

Sounds like some folks have an unhealthy attachment to their material possessions, or are camping in all the wrong places.



Sounds to me like some people cherish what they worked hard to get.... and don't want other people to think that they can just come up and walk away with it ...

that's what it sounds like to me.....[emoticon]
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Posted By: Chuck_thehammer on 12/16/17 02:38pm

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What did they do to "Horse Thief's".. in the olden days ...

in the middle east.. what happened if a thief was caught... lost of a hand.

History... learn it or repeat it.

Jails and prisons are over full. courts are backed up for years.

no gov.ment actions to solve it.

Posted By: pianotuna on 12/16/17 07:47pm

Which may come with free room and board at the crowbar hotel, possibly for a life term.

The lack of respect for life appalls me.

kerrlakeRoo wrote:

cable lock and a Glock, and scattering a few empty shell casings near it also helps.
Posted By: bigorange on 12/16/17 08:14pm

Cable lock through the handle, locked to the frame of the trailer, and put it in a garbage bag...not going to stop someone determined, but keeps it out of sight.

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Posted By: ctilsie242 on 12/18/17 08:21am

Here is what I do:

1: Two security chains, metal, high test. Not stuff that is cut at the Home Labyrinth store. I import the padlocks from Germany, as Abus Granit are good. Alternatively, Sobo padlocks are a lot cheaper, but they are decently secure. Recommendation is a "detainer disk" key lock. Yes, Bosnian Bill and the Lockpicking Lawyer can pick those open, but not many people on the street are going to be carrying a pick with them and trying to open the lock up at the right angle to get in.

2: Insurance. If someone wants a generator enough, they will be taking it. Worst case, they will use a cordless angle grinder and cut the handles of the generator.

3: If the claim is big enough, write it off my taxes.


Of course, the best solution is to get an Onan generator. Out of sight, out of mind.

Posted By: tinner12002 on 12/19/17 05:10am

pianotuna wrote:

Which may come with free room and board at the crowbar hotel, possibly for a life term.

The lack of respect for life appalls me.

kerrlakeRoo wrote:

cable lock and a Glock, and scattering a few empty shell casings near it also helps.


It only appalls you because you can't have a Glock up there! Lol! Actually I'm a Ruger or S&W kind of guy myself!

Posted By: Bigg Al on 12/19/17 12:53pm

tinner12002 wrote:

pianotuna wrote:

Which may come with free room and board at the crowbar hotel, possibly for a life term.

The lack of respect for life appalls me.

kerrlakeRoo wrote:

cable lock and a Glock, and scattering a few empty shell casings near it also helps.


It only appalls you because you can't have a Glock up there! Lol! Actually I'm a Ruger or S&W kind of guy myself!


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Posted By: Route 66 Traveler on 12/19/17 02:46pm

+2, in 45ACP

Posted By: Copperhead on 12/19/17 07:11pm

While I do have a .45 in reserve, I am partial to a Remington pump 12 or especially my trusty little Coach double short barrel 12. That Coach is one of the most legal firearms in the country and will ruin a thief's day far more quickly than a .45.

Posted By: IBcarguy on 12/20/17 10:09am

Heavy cable and padlock in my pickup bed. No matter what you use, if they want it bad enough, they'll get it.

Posted By: Chuck_thehammer on 12/20/17 06:35pm

IBcarguy wrote:

Heavy cable and padlock in my pickup bed. No matter what you use, if they want it bad enough, they'll get it.



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Posted By: down home on 12/21/17 07:15am

Quite some time ago I designed in my head a cage for generators. Design a box of stainless that your unit will fit in, and a removable to from lower flat section, Shield top from rain, hoes in sides or ventilation and access without unbolting to fuel fill and of course starting. A Metal shop will probably charge in the neighborhood of 200.00 250.00. or not.
Design the bolting system to your rv bumper or whatever with a bit of consideration. Otherwise vent a compartment and install a fan and put it inside. Or jsut make sure the door is open and fan is running when generator is running.
Closed up no one is the wiser unless they are cruising through picking targets, which seems to be the case in most instances.
Some hard mount them in pickup beds with and use long cables. harder to manuver around fifth wheel hitch and unbolt something like that, but this is not perhaps the best choice. Some Fifth Wheels and Trailers could be optioned with a generator, perhaps purchasing and installing that unit in the compartment, would be the best of ideas. Cost is perhaps the important first consideration, but replacing a stolen generator will at least double that cost.

* This post was edited 12/21/17 09:17am by down home *

Posted By: Copperhead on 12/21/17 07:53am

KSH Marine beat you to it.

Posted By: RasMouSein on 12/21/17 08:44am

From LowProLockDown
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Posted By: ependydad on 12/21/17 09:47am

RasMouSein wrote:

From LowProLockDown
When I find a permanent spot I will get this one.


This thing is awesome. I mounted mine to the bumper:

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I would have preferred to mount THROUGH the bumper but I use that area for storage of awning poles. But, I think between the U-bolts and self-tapping screws that it's secure enough. It'll definitely take some work + noise to get it off of there.

Since I'm running the generator so close to slides, I've added a CO detector to the rear bunkhouse. I'm also planning on following someone's design for a genturi-like stack for them.

Posted By: Edd505 on 12/21/17 09:52pm

Cable lock through the handles on the Champion 3100I to the carry rack on the back of the 5W.

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Posted By: Krusty on 12/23/17 01:32pm

tinner12002 wrote:

pianotuna wrote:

Which may come with free room and board at the crowbar hotel, possibly for a life term.

The lack of respect for life appalls me.

kerrlakeRoo wrote:

cable lock and a Glock, and scattering a few empty shell casings near it also helps.


It only appalls you because you can't have a Glock up there! Lol! Actually I'm a Ruger or S&W kind of guy myself!


I'm "up here" and I have a Glock. I would never use it on a person though. However, I do believe that all the low life thieves could use a little ventilation.

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Posted By: packnrat on 12/23/17 02:22pm

three quarer in cromolly chain,
very good padlock ( not a master #5).
two rotts,
and a .357.

no worrys.

as to your specific question. open up the case and see if some place to bolt/weld/feed through a cable or chain.

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Posted By: Copperhead on 12/23/17 05:13pm

packnrat wrote:

three quarer in cromolly chain,
very good padlock ( not a master #5).
two rotts,
and a .357.

no worrys.

as to your specific question. open up the case and see if some place to bolt/weld/feed through a cable or chain.


Sounds good. Almost the same deal when I have a load of Kawasaki ATV's in my semi trailer and parked at the house for the weekend. Got a call from them one time regarding security of the load. Told them I live 12 miles out of town, trailer is parked beside the barn, two large black dogs watching things. Myself with an M-14 and Double barreled 12 gauge coach gun, then the wife with a .45. If they can get thru all of that, that can have the ATV's. Kawasaki agreed.

Posted By: pnichols on 12/25/17 06:14pm

(Instead of fishing poles, I could carry along my .300 Winchester Magnum to protect my little Honda - but I'd rather fish than pick up shell casings, clean up blood, and pay lawyers.)

But seriously, one of the best suggestions I've seen for slowing down walking red generators is to mount them using welded-in anchor bolts on their bottom to a large-enough rectangular steel plate and then park one of your vehicle wheels on a portion of the steel plate that sticks out from where the generator is mounted - not "full-proof to the Nth degree" ... but does necessitate some dirt digging or asphalt/concrete removal plus awkward upside down wrenching or jacking up of your RV or TV ... for the thing to walk off.

Another alternative approach - that unfortunately has the potential to involve lawyers - would be to install a hidden battery powered circuit somewhere on the generator that would maintain around 1000 volts-to-ground on any metallic part of the generator ... that you could turn off via a passworded App on your smart phone. [emoticon]

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Posted By: 2Bargos on 12/25/17 07:17pm

We use a generator for approx two week long trips a year..Ky speedway in July and Bristol in August.
It takes about ten minutes to do it but I bolt my down to truck bed using bolts and nylock nuts.
My theory is a crook wants to make a quick getaway so this prevents that from happening.

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Posted By: ependydad on 12/26/17 10:06am

pianotuna wrote:

The lack of respect for life appalls me.


I've always been shocked by people who would put an item above a person's life- even a lowlife scumbag thief.

Posted By: pnichols on 12/27/17 10:19am

ependydad wrote:

I've always been shocked by people who would put an item above a person's life- even a lowlife scumbag thief.


An outstanding observation indeed, and full of high road wisdom.

For an ultimate expression of this kind of thinking, watch End of the Spear to learn why someone refused to take a gun along.

Posted By: Chuck_thehammer on 12/27/17 12:22pm

steal 100 dollar item

or 10,000

or 1 million...

they are willing to Loose there life to "Take" your stuff... So what was the question?????????

I have had 2 valuable cars stolen.. not the same year.

and lost even more after the insurance company was done..

look up the attempt of breaking into the owner of RCR racing (nascar) personal home...

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