Tractor fuel: yes no
I pressed "no" because I'm not agricultural or whatever.
Then it said:
Reefer fuel: yes no
I pressed "no" and it came up and said "no fuel" and cancelled the transaction.
I went inside and found out that "tractor fuel" is just regular diesel. So they tried to run my card in there and problems ensued because of their terminal, and I gave up. And at the next place, my card was declined because my credit card company had detected fraud.
The moral of this story: if you're filling your motorhome and see "tractor fuel" on a screen, press "yes."
bumpy
As a noncommercial, can we use refer fuel?
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Playtime II wrote:
Sure? Tractor fuel is for the drive unit of an eighteen wheeler. Tractor fuel incudes commercial road taxes. Refer fuel does not have the taxes. However I believe both are the same blend of diesel minus the dye.
As a noncommercial, can we use refer fuel?
Sure? Tractor fuel is for the drive unit of an eighteen wheeler. Tractor fuel incudes commercial road taxes. Refer fuel does not have the taxes. However I believe both are the same blend of diesel minus the dye.
As a noncommercial, can we use refer fuel?
No, reefer fuel is just dyed off-road diesel. Because it is used for the refrigeration unit it is not subject to road taxes.
d3500ram wrote:
Could tractor mean a semi-tractor as in "tractor- trailer" of the over-the-road type?
Yep, that's what the poster before you said.Could tractor mean a semi-tractor as in "tractor- trailer" of the over-the-road type?
I think I'd have been confused by 'tractor' also.
I might add.. I originally made the same assumption you did when reading the subject of this thread
Now: You ask what is the difference?
Over the road vehicles (Semi-Tractors and RV's are over the road) are taxed with road taxes.. In addition Semi's may pay more than RVers should So they really need to add an RV option to that pump.
The Reefer however (And Farm Tractors) Do not pay road taxes.
So now you know,.
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Bumpyroad wrote:
I thought off road use diesel had/ or didn't have a special dye so the feds could sample the fuel and see if it was legal to run on the highway.
bumpy
I thought off road use diesel had/ or didn't have a special dye so the feds could sample the fuel and see if it was legal to run on the highway.
bumpy
Well that's only because there are no "road use" taxes on "off road" fuel.
But you need to be really careful to NOT fill your RV or truck with the "no tax" stuff because the fines are REALLY high; into the thousands of dollars.
On the Maine turnpike I saw two pumps with different prices and absolutely no explanation anywhere on the pumps. I used the cheaper one.
2oldman wrote:
I think I'd have been confused by 'tractor' also.
d3500ram wrote:
Could tractor mean a semi-tractor as in "tractor- trailer" of the over-the-road type?
Yep, that's what the poster before you said.Could tractor mean a semi-tractor as in "tractor- trailer" of the over-the-road type?
I think I'd have been confused by 'tractor' also.
Yep... was in the midst of typing after reading and the previous poster happened to hit send a few moments before me according to the time stamp...
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You'd think I just committed the unpardonable sin by the follow up posts on that thread stating how horrible it was to fill up with farm diesel, not taxed, in my pick-up truck!
If I saw "Tractor" at the pumps, I most definitely would be confused also.
Truck stops don't sell dyed off road diesel either. You can have the road taxes refunded to you on fuel put into the reefer tank. That's why they keep it separate on the paper work.
KD4UPL wrote:
People don't fill up farm tractors at truck stops.
People don't fill up farm tractors at truck stops.
This wasn't a truck stop--it was a convenience store with two truck pumps off to the side. I'd seen three farm tractors driving on the highway in the previous few hours, so when I saw "tractor," that's what I thought of.
I just thought I'd give a heads-up so other people might not have to deal with the same confusion I had.
DutchmenSport wrote:
Few years ago I put a post on here complementing my Father-in-Law's brother for giving me a diesel fill up from his farm fuel pumps after helping him with a fall harvest driving grain trucks from the field to the grain elevator. The diesel is used in farm tractors.
You'd think I just committed the unpardonable sin by the follow up posts on that thread stating how horrible it was to fill up with farm diesel, not taxed, in my pick-up truck!
If I saw "Tractor" at the pumps, I most definitely would be confused also.
Few years ago I put a post on here complementing my Father-in-Law's brother for giving me a diesel fill up from his farm fuel pumps after helping him with a fall harvest driving grain trucks from the field to the grain elevator. The diesel is used in farm tractors.
You'd think I just committed the unpardonable sin by the follow up posts on that thread stating how horrible it was to fill up with farm diesel, not taxed, in my pick-up truck!
If I saw "Tractor" at the pumps, I most definitely would be confused also.
I don't know if it's a sin but, if you ever get checked in my area you are in a big heap of trouble. That red dye is hard to get out of your fuel system. Maybe, many tanks of green fuel, and bunches of fuel filter changes and you may be OK. Otherwise you are looking at a heck of a fine and possible jail time. Through yourself on the mercy of the court and you might stay out of jail but, they would make you replace the entire fuel system on the truck from the tanks to the injectors.
Rice wrote:
I was refueling at a place that uses a touch-screen for paying at the truck pump. After I swiped my credit card, the following questions appeared:
Tractor fuel: yes no
I pressed "no" because I'm not agricultural or whatever.
Then it said:
Reefer fuel: yes no
I pressed "no" and it came up and said "no fuel" and cancelled the transaction.
I went inside and found out that "tractor fuel" is just regular diesel. So they tried to run my card in there and problems ensued because of their terminal, and I gave up. And at the next place, my card was declined because my credit card company had detected fraud.
The moral of this story: if you're filling your motorhome and see "tractor fuel" on a screen, press "yes."
I was refueling at a place that uses a touch-screen for paying at the truck pump. After I swiped my credit card, the following questions appeared:
Tractor fuel: yes no
I pressed "no" because I'm not agricultural or whatever.
Then it said:
Reefer fuel: yes no
I pressed "no" and it came up and said "no fuel" and cancelled the transaction.
I went inside and found out that "tractor fuel" is just regular diesel. So they tried to run my card in there and problems ensued because of their terminal, and I gave up. And at the next place, my card was declined because my credit card company had detected fraud.
The moral of this story: if you're filling your motorhome and see "tractor fuel" on a screen, press "yes."
Thanks for the tip. As a farm hand I would have thought the same thing. Poor designed fuel pump.
Also, it's highly illegal to run the off road dyed diesel in your RV. That's why it has dye in it.
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Rice wrote:
I was refueling at a place that uses a touch-screen for paying at the truck pump. After I swiped my credit card, the following questions appeared:
Tractor fuel: yes no
I pressed "no" because I'm not agricultural or whatever.
Then it said:
Reefer fuel: yes no
I pressed "no" and it came up and said "no fuel" and cancelled the transaction.
I went inside and found out that "tractor fuel" is just regular diesel. So they tried to run my card in there and problems ensued because of their terminal, and I gave up. And at the next place, my card was declined because my credit card company had detected fraud.
The moral of this story: if you're filling your motorhome and see "tractor fuel" on a screen, press "yes."
I was refueling at a place that uses a touch-screen for paying at the truck pump. After I swiped my credit card, the following questions appeared:
Tractor fuel: yes no
I pressed "no" because I'm not agricultural or whatever.
Then it said:
Reefer fuel: yes no
I pressed "no" and it came up and said "no fuel" and cancelled the transaction.
I went inside and found out that "tractor fuel" is just regular diesel. So they tried to run my card in there and problems ensued because of their terminal, and I gave up. And at the next place, my card was declined because my credit card company had detected fraud.
The moral of this story: if you're filling your motorhome and see "tractor fuel" on a screen, press "yes."
however. IF it meant farm tractor fuel, and you are caught running it. It won't be cheap. Often. the pumps are side by side.
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1320Fastback wrote:
If your caught you deal with the IRS and your local Franchise Tax Board.
If your caught you deal with the IRS and your local Franchise Tax Board.
"Franchise Tax Board" - CA term.
In many states, (particularly in rural areas where dyed fuel is readily available) - the DOT and/or state patrol/police/hwy patrol will randomly check diesel pickups for dyed fuel.
Becomes *VERY* expensive fuel!.
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Even as an accidental fill-up, dyed fuel may *not* be ULSD, which will cause late model diesel (pickup) engines to go into limp mode. When brought to the dealer - you will become your own warranty station..
Nothing to do with dyed fuel - but *carefully* plan ahead for any sojourns into Mexico. ULSD is *not* readily available (if at all) once past border towns..
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I seriously doubt the off road fuel will not be ULSD. The gas stations don't want to mess with farmers with quarter million dollar equipment coming back and demanding why it wasn't clearly labeled. Plus I believe, they use the same tank and add the dye as it's pumped.
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Some info about me.. I grew up on a dairy farm, So I know about farm tractors, My mother was a tax expert (It turns out) so I know about the tax exemption.
MOST farmers have their own Fuel storage tank.. For this reason they do not fill their tractors up at the gas station. They fill 'em up at home.
Of course "Most" might not = All.. I have filled up a lawn mower at a gas station on occasion.
I have also driven a Semi Tractor (and a host of other vehicles).. So I know that a Semi is also called a "Tractor-Trailer" rig.
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Grit dog wrote:
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
X2
And off road fuel (red dyed) does NOT hurt the newer emissions diesels either.
I live in farm country and have never ever seen a pick up get checked for red diesel. We even have a livestock yard close by.
Rice wrote:
I went inside and found out that "tractor fuel" is just regular diesel.
I went inside and found out that "tractor fuel" is just regular diesel.
I suppose that's because they call those big trucks "TRACTOR trailers".
Grit dog wrote:
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
no. road tax is only charged for on road vehicles. That by the way is what the dye is for.. It is the "Tax Stamp".
wa8yxm wrote:
no. road tax is only charged for on road vehicles. That by the way is what the dye is for.. It is the "Tax Stamp".
Grit dog wrote:
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
no. road tax is only charged for on road vehicles. That by the way is what the dye is for.. It is the "Tax Stamp".
I don't think he's talking about taxable or tax exempt when he says there is no difference. I think he's saying it's all the same fuel but that which is tax exempt has dye in it.
Rangerman40 wrote:
Coming from Florida into Georgia when I was heading to the Okeefenokee Swamp there was a fuel check station that all diesel trucks have to pull into. Once I stopped and he saw I was pulling a camper he waved me on through without even getting out of his chair. It's literally in the middle of nowhere so I assume he checks the more "farm" looking trucks.
Coming from Florida into Georgia when I was heading to the Okeefenokee Swamp there was a fuel check station that all diesel trucks have to pull into. Once I stopped and he saw I was pulling a camper he waved me on through without even getting out of his chair. It's literally in the middle of nowhere so I assume he checks the more "farm" looking trucks.
Do you mean agriculture inspection station? I have never seen a "fuel check" station in GA. Florida has Agricultural Inspection Stations and that is what you probably saw. They are not looking at campers and they are NOT LOOKING AT FUEL.
Nobody is stopping ANY vehicles anywhere that I'm aware and checking the color of fuel. Since nobody can find evidence of this happening it sounds like a bunch of bull%^&$. If they are going to check anyone it would be commercial vehicles not RV and POVs.
* This post was last edited 06/16/17 04:04am by RandACampin *
wa8yxm wrote:
no. road tax is only charged for on road vehicles. That by the way is what the dye is for.. It is the "Tax Stamp".
Grit dog wrote:
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
no. road tax is only charged for on road vehicles. That by the way is what the dye is for.. It is the "Tax Stamp".
That's not quite true, at least not in Canada.
All watercraft regardless of size, type or fuel type are forbidden from using untaxed (off road) fuel.
bumpy
ralphnjoann wrote:
I don't think he's talking about taxable or tax exempt when he says there is no difference. I think he's saying it's all the same fuel but that which is tax exempt has dye in it.
I don't think he's talking about taxable or tax exempt when he says there is no difference. I think he's saying it's all the same fuel but that which is tax exempt has dye in it.
I see your point. but as someone who's life is sponsored by taxes I consider the payment of tax to be a BIG DEAL (though road tax is not where my pension comes from)
He said "NO DIFFERENCE"
And I was pointing out the difference.. Taxes
And if you get caught with the wrong color in your road tank.. Big fines (If it's in your off road tank, no problem).
Bumpyroad wrote:
how do I go about collecting a tax rebate for the 100 gallons of gasoline that I use in my lawnmower, outboard,etc.
bumpy
how do I go about collecting a tax rebate for the 100 gallons of gasoline that I use in my lawnmower, outboard,etc.
bumpy
You have to document every gallon used by those devices then there is an additional form you file with your income taxes.. You tax accountant SHOULD know how to do it. I do not think I've ever seen it mentioned on the software I use (but that's not an issue with me).
Now, in days of old I'd have said "not worth it for 100 gallons" but last time I checked the road tax was well over 50 cents per gallon, and for 50 dollars (Actually more) it's worth it.
I still did not worry about it when I had a house and yard however cause ... Well.. it burned kilowatt hours, not gallons. (the mower).
wa8yxm wrote:
no. road tax is only charged for on road vehicles. That by the way is what the dye is for.. It is the "Tax Stamp".
Grit dog wrote:
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
no. road tax is only charged for on road vehicles. That by the way is what the dye is for.. It is the "Tax Stamp".
Yes I understand that.
srt20 wrote:
X2
And off road fuel (red dyed) does NOT hurt the newer emissions diesels either.
I live in farm country and have never ever seen a pick up get checked for red diesel. We even have a livestock yard close by.
I live in farm country as well and I have seen the Highway patrol take swabs to check for red dye residue. Not cheap if you do get caught.
Grit dog wrote:
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
All off road diesel is ULSD in the US and Canada. Has been for a while. No difference from on road except the dye.
X2
And off road fuel (red dyed) does NOT hurt the newer emissions diesels either.
I live in farm country and have never ever seen a pick up get checked for red diesel. We even have a livestock yard close by.
Whiskey River wrote:
Just wondering, why are they called "Truck Stops" when actually they are "Tractor Stops".....
LOL. I've never researched why they're called "semis". Semi - what?
Just wondering, why are they called "Truck Stops" when actually they are "Tractor Stops".....
2oldman wrote:
Whiskey River wrote:
Just wondering, why are they called "Truck Stops" when actually they are "Tractor Stops".....
LOL. I've never researched why they're called "semis". Semi - what?Just wondering, why are they called "Truck Stops" when actually they are "Tractor Stops".....
It's an abbreviation for a tractor pulling a semi-trailer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-trailer
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Bumpyroad wrote:
how do I go about collecting a tax rebate for the 100 gallons of gasoline that I use in my lawnmower, outboard,etc.
bumpy
how do I go about collecting a tax rebate for the 100 gallons of gasoline that I use in my lawnmower, outboard,etc.
bumpy
There was a time ; many years ago ; when we had 2 gasoline fuel tanks on the farm. One for off road fuel, and One for on road fuel. They would check your taxes at the end of the year to make sure that you were not using a excessive amount of off road fuel for the amount of tractors (farm tractors) that you had vs the amount of cars / trucks.
It was all rather complicated.
No farm tractors have run on gasoline in decades.