It's his property, he's not an experienced Dry Camper nor experienced in RV'ing. Which is why i'm posting this question to you more experienced folks.
Can his plan work?
have you ever tried something similar?
Please share your suggestions, recommendation, advice. Thank you kindly in advance.
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Who gets to dig the twelve foot deep hole that's only 12" across, some sort of machine?
Pick up a few bags of lime, send a shovel full down the hole now and then, should help with odors and decomposition.
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You want a pit, with a few biologicals in it that will break down waste
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We can't live in a RV in our county either unless it is parked at registered trailer park...
You should be able to check on what the regulations might be and not be breaking any local laws...
Everything these days needs permits issued haha
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When will you hit the water table in FL, 12', 10', 2'?
What will you do if someone/pet falls into that open trench?
Who will be paying the fines when it is discovered that raw sewage is being deposited on the ground?
You and your friend would be better served by installing a storage tank and using a septic pump truck for cleaning it all out every month or so.
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I think what you are planning will do a good job.
I would at least double up on the 4x4 plywood covering the hole. And possibly put a temporary fence around the hole. It wouldn't be expensive and would make it a little safer.
What will you do with your grey water? Macerator pump and a long hose?
For a year or two you need some type of septic system, not open pits. I would bury a 250 gallon plastic tote and pipe the effluent from it into 3-4 septic chambers... $500 plus an hour backhoe time. You can put the grey and black into this system which will last for years. It is best to not use any chemical in you holding tanks although you can buy those that are biodegradable.
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Islandman wrote:
Think it would be wise to check with county officials to get their recommendations on a proper system to use in the rural property that you're planning on camping on. A lot depends on ground water and the soil type that you will be discharging septic waste onto. Better safe than sorry!
Think it would be wise to check with county officials to get their recommendations on a proper system to use in the rural property that you're planning on camping on. A lot depends on ground water and the soil type that you will be discharging septic waste onto. Better safe than sorry!
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Get the government involved and you will be sorry
Islandman wrote:
Think it would be wise to check with county officials to get their recommendations on a proper system to use in the rural property that you're planning on camping on. A lot depends on ground water and the soil type that you will be discharging septic waste onto. Better safe than sorry!
Think it would be wise to check with county officials to get their recommendations on a proper system to use in the rural property that you're planning on camping on. A lot depends on ground water and the soil type that you will be discharging septic waste onto. Better safe than sorry!
Get the government involved and you will be sorry
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qtla9111 wrote:
Install a composting toilet then everyone should be happy.
Install a composting toilet then everyone should be happy.
Not a bad idea.
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Not to mention weather systems that can dump many inches of rain in a short time.
One complaint to the Health Department will get you evicted.
I would consider going with a composting toilet combined with a 250 gallon tote for gray water, with a pump out service.
You are not "camping". You are essentially installing a mobile home and planning to live there for 2 years.
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coolmom42 wrote:
Florida is a whole different ball of wax than a lot of the US. Super-sandy soil which is totally permeable, and a very shallow water table. A badly constructed system can contaminate a LOT of groundwater, and a LOT of people get their drinking water from wells fed by that groundwater.
Not to mention weather systems that can dump many inches of rain in a short time.
I would go with a composting toilet, or some sort of vault with a pump-out system.
Florida is a whole different ball of wax than a lot of the US. Super-sandy soil which is totally permeable, and a very shallow water table. A badly constructed system can contaminate a LOT of groundwater, and a LOT of people get their drinking water from wells fed by that groundwater.
Not to mention weather systems that can dump many inches of rain in a short time.
I would go with a composting toilet, or some sort of vault with a pump-out system.
I think this is a very well thought out response, with the exception of the composting toilet part. I don't think living in your RV for a year or two is dry camping and you might want to figure out how to safely do away with the grey water. Are you going to be sinking a water well or is there one on site?
For a permanent living space, I for one feel you should consult a CE who specializes in septic systems and have it installed according to the local building codes with the proper sizing. I don't feel it is mandatory to get permits and all that but, in as much as there are quite a few unintended consequences to dumping of raw sewage(including grey water) for up to two years is inviting trouble.
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coolmom42 wrote:
Florida is a whole different ball of wax than a lot of the US. Super-sandy soil which is totally permeable, and a very shallow water table. A badly constructed system can contaminate a LOT of groundwater, and a LOT of people get their drinking water from wells fed by that groundwater.
Florida is a whole different ball of wax than a lot of the US. Super-sandy soil which is totally permeable, and a very shallow water table. A badly constructed system can contaminate a LOT of groundwater, and a LOT of people get their drinking water from wells fed by that groundwater.
What to the residents of Florida do with their waste water? Does every house in Florida has a piped sewer system? Where does THAT go?
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jplante4 wrote:
What to the residents of Florida do with their waste water? Does every house in Florida has a piped sewer system? Where does THAT go?
What to the residents of Florida do with their waste water? Does every house in Florida has a piped sewer system? Where does THAT go?
Septic systems are quite common, often the type that needs a mound. Florida is underlain with a very permeable limestone (that's why sinkholes are common) and much of the state has thin soil and a high water table.
The 2016 Florida Statutes
The 2016 Florida Statutes wrote:
(5)?DUMPING RAW HUMAN WASTE PROHIBITED.—Unless otherwise authorized by law or permit, it is unlawful for any person to dump raw human waste from any train, aircraft, motor vehicle, or vessel upon the public or private lands or waters of the state.
(5)?DUMPING RAW HUMAN WASTE PROHIBITED.—Unless otherwise authorized by law or permit, it is unlawful for any person to dump raw human waste from any train, aircraft, motor vehicle, or vessel upon the public or private lands or waters of the state.
Someone wrote on this site somewhere that they purchased a Macerator pump and pumped the contents of their black waste tank to a tank in the bed of their truck then just drove it to a public waste station to dispose of.
No doubt you will be staying in a rural area and folks in rural areas do not take kindly to someone contaminating their well water.
Digging a hole could turn out REAL BAD!
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D.E.Bishop wrote:
I think this is a very well thought out response, with the exception of the composting toilet part. I don't think living in your RV for a year or two is dry camping and you might want to figure out how to safely do away with the grey water. Are you going to be sinking a water well or is there one on site?
For a permanent living space, I for one feel you should consult a CE who specializes in septic systems and have it installed according to the local building codes with the proper sizing. I don't feel it is mandatory to get permits and all that but, in as much as there are quite a few unintended consequences to dumping of raw sewage(including grey water) for up to two years is inviting trouble.
coolmom42 wrote:
Florida is a whole different ball of wax than a lot of the US. Super-sandy soil which is totally permeable, and a very shallow water table. A badly constructed system can contaminate a LOT of groundwater, and a LOT of people get their drinking water from wells fed by that groundwater.
Not to mention weather systems that can dump many inches of rain in a short time.
I would go with a composting toilet, or some sort of vault with a pump-out system.
Florida is a whole different ball of wax than a lot of the US. Super-sandy soil which is totally permeable, and a very shallow water table. A badly constructed system can contaminate a LOT of groundwater, and a LOT of people get their drinking water from wells fed by that groundwater.
Not to mention weather systems that can dump many inches of rain in a short time.
I would go with a composting toilet, or some sort of vault with a pump-out system.
I think this is a very well thought out response, with the exception of the composting toilet part. I don't think living in your RV for a year or two is dry camping and you might want to figure out how to safely do away with the grey water. Are you going to be sinking a water well or is there one on site?
For a permanent living space, I for one feel you should consult a CE who specializes in septic systems and have it installed according to the local building codes with the proper sizing. I don't feel it is mandatory to get permits and all that but, in as much as there are quite a few unintended consequences to dumping of raw sewage(including grey water) for up to two years is inviting trouble.
Soooo....
Florida is very unique in its soil conditions. We work all over the state from top to bottom and almost always deal with excavations. In one place, you could dig to China with never a hint of groundwater. At other places, the water is right below the surface. You might hit pure gold colored sand or limerock, and even clay. Sometimes you get nasty black muck. To categorize FL as having a single soil classification is way off.
But IMHO, this is what I'd do.
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This is most likely AG land, in which case the State of FL is extremely lax in regards to these types of items. In other words, one could come up with almost any plausible excuse and/or justification for your actions (to some extent).
So get the biggest drum, tote, barrel, or whatever you can find and bury it a few inches below the surface. Make on inlet and one outlet pipe (opposite sides, of course). The outlet pipe must be lower than the inlet. You must put a weir in front of the outlet pipe (just bend some sheet metal or tin). The top of weir needs to be higher than the top of the inlet pipe. The bottom of the weir needs to be a few inches from the bottom of the tank. This will make sure that only liquids travel to the outlet pipe. Then go to Lowes or HD and buy about 2-3 sections of french drain pipe with the peanuts already wrapped around it. Connect that to the outlet pipe with a slight downhill slope. Skip the domes previously referenced, because they're not working out as well as people would have hoped in FL due to the organic growth of the soil ultimately clogging the entrance. Besides, most localities are now prohibiting the sell of the domes to anyone that doesn't have a plumbing or utility contractor license. The french drain is cheaper anyway.
Dump the gray water in there too, but dump the black tank first. Then only allow a slow dump of the gray water into the tank, so you don't overload the drain field. And it will never hurt to add some water to it.
This will serve you fine in a RV for a few years (probably more).
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Or just take the easy way out and listen to posters with stated credentials on a internet forum and dig a hole. And do use plywood to cover it - as that holds up real well to moisture.
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Some areas in the USA do not have that much soil above the rock under ground and they have other rules. Florida is not one as there's a lot of depth the their sandy type soil especially in the northern half of the state and the OP doesn't state what area of Florida.
My own Brother just 13 miles north of West Palm Beach at Jupiter and only inland 3.1 miles from the Atlantic andjust 13' above sea level land surface with a 3-1/2' deep water table. He has both a house water well and a septic system on his 1-3/4 acre lot and so do the other over 8,800 residents in the same subdivision development and ALL are Palm Beach County Health Department Approved! NO underground sewer lines exist nor does any public water lines either! His home well is in the backyard about 60 feet from his big in ground pool and his septic system is in the front yard. To get the drainfield the min of one foot above the water table, the land was built up in a hump approx 8"-10" high over the top of the drainfield of which the top of the drainfield itself is level with the surrounding land and it's been there for 19 years now with ZERO well water quality issues or septic issues ever.
We were actually there on the lot in Jan, Feb, and Mar with our 5th wheel when they were building his home and putting in the septic, well, and his pool and my Bro and his wife were living in their MH on the lot which they were allowed to do for 90 days max. We saw what was done, inspected, and approved for occupancy! So little some people know!
It's so mind boggling as to how little the posters on this forum know or even understand about sewage water septic systems not polluting the ground or the water used for drinking and why they are approved by health departments all over the country even in subdivisions with acceptable lots sizes. Perking ability is where it's at. Not allowed in jammed together trailer parks or postage stamp sized lots or where there is exiting underground sewer line that can be tied into. Just where do you people think these outlying large lot subdivisions homes on sand soil send their sewage when there is no public sewage system to attach to anyway??? Lip service about something one does not have a clue about show's pure ignorance displayed.
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KNOW the applicable rules, regulations and laws.
COMPLY with those rules, regulations, and laws.
DOCUMENT your compliance.
AND you will have no problems.
FIRST, can you legally live in an RV on private land? Some areas say a firm NO!
Second, what are the rules, regulations and laws regarding the disposal of waste water (black and grey) from an RV? It is very likely that a regular septic tank and drain field system may be required, or a holding tank installed that will have to be pumped out on a regular basis.
Violating the rules, regulations, and laws can be VERY expensive!
I would not take the chance.
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travelnutz wrote:
1,000 acres is a plot of land that is 1 mile by more than 1-1/2 miles in physical size and you people think depositing sewage down in the ground in that large of a piece of land is a problem?
1,000 acres is a plot of land that is 1 mile by more than 1-1/2 miles in physical size and you people think depositing sewage down in the ground in that large of a piece of land is a problem?
There's no need to scold anyone about what has been suggested. You, nor I, are establishing the laws and regulations of Florida.
Besides the physics and chemistry of sewage disposal, there are also the previous issues mentioned as the OP describes the DIY solution--an open pit and the unknown soil conditions.
One thing that comes to mind, even if this was possible, is the backfilling of this sewage hole. I'd bet a few dollars and a doughnut that the hole isn't backfilled every time the tank was emptied.
If the conventional waste management conditions are difficult to meet, maybe an outhouse or a storage tank would be a better solution.
westend wrote:
There's no need to scold anyone about what has been suggested. You, nor I, are establishing the laws and regulations of Florida.
Besides the physics and chemistry of sewage disposal, there are also the previous issues mentioned as the OP describes the DIY solution--an open pit and the unknown soil conditions.
One thing that comes to mind, even if this was possible, is the backfilling of this sewage hole. I'd bet a few dollars and a doughnut that the hole isn't backfilled every time the tank was emptied.
If the conventional waste management conditions are difficult to meet, maybe an outhouse or a storage tank would be a better solution.
Travelnutz's hobby is scolding people. No one is saying it can't be done. But the best part of his post is where he says: "ALL are Palm Beach County Health Department Approved!"travelnutz wrote:
1,000 acres is a plot of land that is 1 mile by more than 1-1/2 miles in physical size and you people think depositing sewage down in the ground in that large of a piece of land is a problem?
1,000 acres is a plot of land that is 1 mile by more than 1-1/2 miles in physical size and you people think depositing sewage down in the ground in that large of a piece of land is a problem?
There's no need to scold anyone about what has been suggested. You, nor I, are establishing the laws and regulations of Florida.
Besides the physics and chemistry of sewage disposal, there are also the previous issues mentioned as the OP describes the DIY solution--an open pit and the unknown soil conditions.
One thing that comes to mind, even if this was possible, is the backfilling of this sewage hole. I'd bet a few dollars and a doughnut that the hole isn't backfilled every time the tank was emptied.
If the conventional waste management conditions are difficult to meet, maybe an outhouse or a storage tank would be a better solution.
If you read the thread, most posters are advising to do just that - get approval.
2012Coleman wrote:
If you read the thread, most posters are advising to do just that - get approval.
westend wrote:
There's no need to scold anyone about what has been suggested. You, nor I, are establishing the laws and regulations of Florida.
Besides the physics and chemistry of sewage disposal, there are also the previous issues mentioned as the OP describes the DIY solution--an open pit and the unknown soil conditions.
One thing that comes to mind, even if this was possible, is the backfilling of this sewage hole. I'd bet a few dollars and a doughnut that the hole isn't backfilled every time the tank was emptied.
If the conventional waste management conditions are difficult to meet, maybe an outhouse or a storage tank would be a better solution.
Travelnutz's hobby is scolding people. No one is saying it can't be done. But the best part of his post is where he says: "ALL are Palm Beach County Health Department Approved!"travelnutz wrote:
1,000 acres is a plot of land that is 1 mile by more than 1-1/2 miles in physical size and you people think depositing sewage down in the ground in that large of a piece of land is a problem?
1,000 acres is a plot of land that is 1 mile by more than 1-1/2 miles in physical size and you people think depositing sewage down in the ground in that large of a piece of land is a problem?
There's no need to scold anyone about what has been suggested. You, nor I, are establishing the laws and regulations of Florida.
Besides the physics and chemistry of sewage disposal, there are also the previous issues mentioned as the OP describes the DIY solution--an open pit and the unknown soil conditions.
One thing that comes to mind, even if this was possible, is the backfilling of this sewage hole. I'd bet a few dollars and a doughnut that the hole isn't backfilled every time the tank was emptied.
If the conventional waste management conditions are difficult to meet, maybe an outhouse or a storage tank would be a better solution.
If you read the thread, most posters are advising to do just that - get approval.
If we're really getting nit-picky, then let's back up to the original post on this thread. The OP explains his situation and a possible solution, then asks how well this might work or if there were any better ideas. He never once asked if this was an approved method by the State of FL Health Dept. Funny thing is that section 64E-6.001 (DOH Admin Code for Onsite Sewage Treatment) doesn't actually have language that precludes the OP from creating his own system if his circumstances are loosely construed as he has presented them. It doesn't have language to approve it either.
So let's all take a deep breath and put away our sewage police badges and offer only constructive advice to help the OP come up with a good solution. After all, he's going to do it anyway.
When people densely populate an area, that becomes a problem. On a 1000 acres as it's just waste, and not chemical, I don't see a problem, but the gov't might.
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Pit toilet were allowed in that area, but his wife wanted a proper sit down, flush toilet. So he dug a hole about 4x4x8 and placed a 55 gallon plastic barrel as the pit. The inspectors passed it saying he had to have it pumped out when ever it filled up. Funny thing is, about 1/3-1/2 way up the barrel got a bunch of 1" holes ! Some gravel (for weight) was placed in the bottom of the barrel before the lid was secured and the hole was back filled with gravel. The overall soil was very sandy and the ground water level was at least another 10-20' down.
This is exactly how many cabins in the NE and Midwest were built for many, many years. Black water only. Small number of people (less than 6-8) and weekend use. He uses rainwater to flush the toilet.
Biggest concern in FL is high ground water.
WTP-GC wrote:
So get the biggest drum, tote, barrel, or whatever you can find and bury it a few inches below the surface. Make on inlet and one outlet pipe (opposite sides, of course). ...
So get the biggest drum, tote, barrel, or whatever you can find and bury it a few inches below the surface. Make on inlet and one outlet pipe (opposite sides, of course). ...
If you can not find a suitable LARGE container, just use 2 55 gallon plastic drum with the outlet (as described) of the first connected to the inlet of the second.
The french drain pipe is GENIUS for "field tile" !
People are overthinking this ! This a septic system for a small number of people that will have no gray water and limited usage. As stated, millions around the world poop on open ground.
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So don't worry about your little bit of poop just below the surface. Its got a long way to go and will be broken down and re-purposed long before it gets there. And if it did, would that little bit of poop have any effect on zillions of gallons of water...
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Just so you know, FL sub-surface water supplies are very sensitive to throughput in limestone formations. Right now, in fact, many FL counties, especially in coastal or near-coastal areas, are trying to get rid of all existing septic systems because of recent studies showing even properly working systems are negatively impacting our rivers, the Gulf and the oceans. Just so you know, I'm no bleeding heart liberal climate change snowflake.
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coolmom42 wrote:
Florida is a whole different ball of wax than a lot of the US. Super-sandy soil which is totally permeable, and a very shallow water table. A badly constructed system can contaminate a LOT of groundwater, and a LOT of people get their drinking water from wells fed by that groundwater.
Not to mention weather systems that can dump many inches of rain in a short time.
One complaint to the Health Department will get you evicted.
I would consider going with a composting toilet combined with a 250 gallon tote for gray water, with a pump out service.
You are not "camping". You are essentially installing a mobile home and planning to live there for 2 years.
Florida is a whole different ball of wax than a lot of the US. Super-sandy soil which is totally permeable, and a very shallow water table. A badly constructed system can contaminate a LOT of groundwater, and a LOT of people get their drinking water from wells fed by that groundwater.
Not to mention weather systems that can dump many inches of rain in a short time.
One complaint to the Health Department will get you evicted.
I would consider going with a composting toilet combined with a 250 gallon tote for gray water, with a pump out service.
You are not "camping". You are essentially installing a mobile home and planning to live there for 2 years.
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It also needs to be said that the good friend of today can become your worst enemy if the system is set up in opposition to code and it falls on you. Yeah yeah the friend might say they agreed to it but don't count on it. Do it right and don't attract attention to selves.
shelbyfv wrote:
Has O/P been back to his thread? As many others have pointed out, this is not "dry camping." If living in trailers is permitted by your county, I'll bet a well and approved septic system will be required. The size of the property is probably not relevant.
He's out buying a sheet of plywood to cover that hole he dug.
Has O/P been back to his thread? As many others have pointed out, this is not "dry camping." If living in trailers is permitted by your county, I'll bet a well and approved septic system will be required. The size of the property is probably not relevant.
2012Coleman wrote:
shelbyfv wrote:
Has O/P been back to his thread? As many others have pointed out, this is not "dry camping." If living in trailers is permitted by your county, I'll bet a well and approved septic system will be required. The size of the property is probably not relevant.
He's out buying a sheet of plywood to cover that hole he dug.Has O/P been back to his thread? As many others have pointed out, this is not "dry camping." If living in trailers is permitted by your county, I'll bet a well and approved septic system will be required. The size of the property is probably not relevant.
Or he probably regrets even asking the question...knowing that its a 1000 acres and he'll pretty well do as he pleases.
For all those folks who want to get worked about this, just consider that there are many thousands of migrants workers scattered all across our state who are living in worse conditions, doing worse things with their sewage than what the OP is suggesting. Not trying to justify, but to suggest that he's automatically going to encounter all kinds of regulatory trouble or fines is just silly.
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WTP-GC wrote:
Or he probably regrets even asking the question...knowing that its a 1000 acres and he'll pretty well do as he pleases.
For all those folks who want to get worked about this, just consider that there are many thousands of migrants workers scattered all across our state who are living in worse conditions, doing worse things with their sewage than what the OP is suggesting. Not trying to justify, but to suggest that he's automatically going to encounter all kinds of regulatory trouble or fines is just silly.
So basically, your point is he's not doing anything wrong unless he gets caught. People aren't getting worked up about anything - it's just that most people have a good sense of right and wrong and let that guide their actions.
2012Coleman wrote:
shelbyfv wrote:
Has O/P been back to his thread? As many others have pointed out, this is not "dry camping." If living in trailers is permitted by your county, I'll bet a well and approved septic system will be required. The size of the property is probably not relevant.
He's out buying a sheet of plywood to cover that hole he dug.Has O/P been back to his thread? As many others have pointed out, this is not "dry camping." If living in trailers is permitted by your county, I'll bet a well and approved septic system will be required. The size of the property is probably not relevant.
Or he probably regrets even asking the question...knowing that its a 1000 acres and he'll pretty well do as he pleases.
For all those folks who want to get worked about this, just consider that there are many thousands of migrants workers scattered all across our state who are living in worse conditions, doing worse things with their sewage than what the OP is suggesting. Not trying to justify, but to suggest that he's automatically going to encounter all kinds of regulatory trouble or fines is just silly.
2012Coleman wrote:
So basically, your point is he's not doing anything wrong unless he gets caught. People aren't getting worked up about anything - it's just that most people have a good sense of right and wrong and let that guide their actions.
So basically, your point is he's not doing anything wrong unless he gets caught. People aren't getting worked up about anything - it's just that most people have a good sense of right and wrong and let that guide their actions.
That's not at all what I said, nor was I implying. In fact, I'm not presenting an opinion one way or another.
I don't understand the comment about "most people have a good sense of right or wrong..." As if that's not the most subjective statement one could ever make. Who determines right or wrong, and for what reason? Sure there are laws in place to cover some things, but why do those laws exist? I don't condone law breaking, though I have been known to drive a little fast, roll through a stop sign, accidentally let a piece of trash blow out of my truck bed while driving, and even one time, spilled a little sewage on the ground. Are all of my faults a violation of some law or another? Well sure, and is it worse than someone building their own septic system........hmmmmmmm......????
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In the country that claims to be the "free-est country in the world" a very large number of people responding have already succumbed to the "let's make sure the government allows us to do this" mentality...
Free?
You decide...
am1958 wrote:
I find this a little amusing...
In the country that claims to be the "free-est country in the world" a very large number of people responding have already succumbed to the "let's make sure the government allows us to do this" mentality...
Free?
You decide...
I find this a little amusing...
In the country that claims to be the "free-est country in the world" a very large number of people responding have already succumbed to the "let's make sure the government allows us to do this" mentality...
Free?
You decide...
Especially now that they are back tracking on all the work that has been done to "protect" the environment in the last 20 years.
DSteiner51 wrote:
Could do it like the state does it in the state parks here... dig a hole in the ground, build a nice little building with either a wood or concrete floor with a hole and bolt a seat over the hole. Then the only difference would be the hole on the seat, his or a hose. ??
Could do it like the state does it in the state parks here... dig a hole in the ground, build a nice little building with either a wood or concrete floor with a hole and bolt a seat over the hole. Then the only difference would be the hole on the seat, his or a hose. ??
The state parks around here have something like you are describing. But, the "hole in the ground" is actually a sealed concrete structure. Once , or twice, a year they are pumped out by a truck and the sewage is hauled to a local city to go through the treatment system.
Don't ever drop your wallet or phone in such place. lol I take all of the stuff out of my pockets and put it on the floor beside me before I set down in one of those.
am1958 wrote:
I find this a little amusing...
In the country that claims to be the "free-est country in the world" a very large number of people responding have already succumbed to the "let's make sure the government allows us to do this" mentality...
Free?
You decide...
I find this a little amusing...
In the country that claims to be the "free-est country in the world" a very large number of people responding have already succumbed to the "let's make sure the government allows us to do this" mentality...
Free?
You decide...
Because nothing says freedom like pooping in your neighbor's water supply...
drsteve wrote:
Because nothing says freedom like pooping in your neighbor's water supply...
am1958 wrote:
I find this a little amusing...
In the country that claims to be the "free-est country in the world" a very large number of people responding have already succumbed to the "let's make sure the government allows us to do this" mentality...
Free?
You decide...
I find this a little amusing...
In the country that claims to be the "free-est country in the world" a very large number of people responding have already succumbed to the "let's make sure the government allows us to do this" mentality...
Free?
You decide...
Because nothing says freedom like pooping in your neighbor's water supply...
I agree but on 1000 acres there are no neighbors
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CavemanCharlie wrote:
The state parks around here have something like you are describing. But, the "hole in the ground" is actually a sealed concrete structure. Once , or twice, a year they are pumped out by a truck and the sewage is hauled to a local city to go through the treatment system.
Don't ever drop your wallet or phone in such place. lol I take all of the stuff out of my pockets and put it on the floor beside me before I set down in one of those.
DSteiner51 wrote:
Could do it like the state does it in the state parks here... dig a hole in the ground, build a nice little building with either a wood or concrete floor with a hole and bolt a seat over the hole. Then the only difference would be the hole on the seat, his or a hose. ??
Could do it like the state does it in the state parks here... dig a hole in the ground, build a nice little building with either a wood or concrete floor with a hole and bolt a seat over the hole. Then the only difference would be the hole on the seat, his or a hose. ??
The state parks around here have something like you are describing. But, the "hole in the ground" is actually a sealed concrete structure. Once , or twice, a year they are pumped out by a truck and the sewage is hauled to a local city to go through the treatment system.
Don't ever drop your wallet or phone in such place. lol I take all of the stuff out of my pockets and put it on the floor beside me before I set down in one of those.
Best advice in the whole thread!!!!
FWIW, I'm in the 1000 AC private land, in FL of all places, you can build a little septic system that will work great, black and gray water, if the soil will percolate.
Whether there is oversight that will not like this is not a moral issue but rather a potential cost or not.
Some of the responses prove that not enough people poop in the woods these days!
I'm pretty particular. If not at home or the office, I prefer the woods or Starbucks. Their bathrooms are pretty clean. Most public chitters are gross around here.
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drsteve wrote:
Because nothing says freedom like pooping in your neighbor's water supply...
am1958 wrote:
I find this a little amusing...
In the country that claims to be the "free-est country in the world" a very large number of people responding have already succumbed to the "let's make sure the government allows us to do this" mentality...
Free?
You decide...
I find this a little amusing...
In the country that claims to be the "free-est country in the world" a very large number of people responding have already succumbed to the "let's make sure the government allows us to do this" mentality...
Free?
You decide...
Because nothing says freedom like pooping in your neighbor's water supply...
You should get out more! My dogs deposit about 5lbs of used dog food a day in the back yard. Neighbors haven't complained. Of course I don't bitsch about their dogs either because quite frankly the elk eating fresh cut grass make a bigger mess.
(I'm serious. Elk with the schitts is like having cattle!)
drsteve wrote:
Because nothing says freedom like pooping in your neighbor's water supply...
Because nothing says freedom like pooping in your neighbor's water supply...
Comments like this show that people don't understand water supply and how it works. Did I miss the post where someone was suggesting that they dig a 100 to 200 foot hole straight to the aquifer so they could squat over?
May I come by and dump my black tank on your front lawn?
WTP-GC wrote:
Comments like this show that people don't understand water supply and how it works. Did I miss the post where someone was suggesting that they dig a 100 to 200 foot hole straight to the aquifer so they could squat over?
drsteve wrote:
Because nothing says freedom like pooping in your neighbor's water supply...
Because nothing says freedom like pooping in your neighbor's water supply...
Comments like this show that people don't understand water supply and how it works. Did I miss the post where someone was suggesting that they dig a 100 to 200 foot hole straight to the aquifer so they could squat over?
You may have missed the post where the OP was talking about essentially setting up an open cesspool covered with a sheet of plywood, which creates a very nice breeding ground for human diseases. There are plenty of good reasons for doing this the right way, and none for cutting corners. As others have mentioned, setting up a proper septic system is not rocket science.
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drsteve wrote:
You may have missed the post where the OP was talking about essentially setting up an open cesspool covered with a sheet of plywood, which creates a very nice breeding ground for human diseases. There are plenty of good reasons for doing this the right way, and none for cutting corners. As others have mentioned, setting up a proper septic system is not rocket science.
WTP-GC wrote:
Comments like this show that people don't understand water supply and how it works. Did I miss the post where someone was suggesting that they dig a 100 to 200 foot hole straight to the aquifer so they could squat over?
drsteve wrote:
Because nothing says freedom like pooping in your neighbor's water supply...
Because nothing says freedom like pooping in your neighbor's water supply...
Comments like this show that people don't understand water supply and how it works. Did I miss the post where someone was suggesting that they dig a 100 to 200 foot hole straight to the aquifer so they could squat over?
You may have missed the post where the OP was talking about essentially setting up an open cesspool covered with a sheet of plywood, which creates a very nice breeding ground for human diseases. There are plenty of good reasons for doing this the right way, and none for cutting corners. As others have mentioned, setting up a proper septic system is not rocket science.
When it comes to freedom. There are jurisdictions that will not allow a private septic period. It will not come down to doing it properly, safely or effectively. They simply won't allow it.
Which brings us back to the point of what is one allowed to do on their 1000 acres without government intervention?
Note the OP is talking 1000 Acres of private property!
phillyg wrote:
"I agree but on 1000 acres there are no neighbors..."
May I come by and dump my black tank on your front lawn?
"I agree but on 1000 acres there are no neighbors..."
May I come by and dump my black tank on your front lawn?
Wow, what a brilliant response.
phillyg wrote:
"I agree but on 1000 acres there are no neighbors..."
May I come by and dump my black tank on your front lawn?
"I agree but on 1000 acres there are no neighbors..."
May I come by and dump my black tank on your front lawn?
Sure,but first you need to dig 12 foot deep hole covered with 4x4 sheet of plywood as the OP sugested
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Eddiegnz1 wrote:
we will be dry camping on a friends land that is over 1,000 acres in Florida. WE'll actually live there for a year or maybe even two years. The property owner (my good friend) said I could simply dig a ten to 12 foot deep hole and put a 4 foot by 4 foot piece of plywood over the hole. The plywood would function as a lid and decrease odors from escaping because the plywood would be almost entire buried under dirt. The only part that would not be buried is the plumbing part that attaches to my black water tubing/line. The hole would be about 18 to 24 inch diameter. Then I could attach/install the plumbing fixture on to the plywood and then hook up my black water hose to the fixture. Then each time i dump, just remove the plywood and bury the black water with 12 to 18 inches of dirt and repeat layering like this until the final layer of dirt is 24 inches thick. Then dig another 12 foot deep hole else where to start a new dump site.
It's his property, he's not an experienced Dry Camper nor experienced in RV'ing. Which is why i'm posting this question to you more experienced folks.
Can his plan work?
have you ever tried something similar?
Please share your suggestions, recommendation, advice. Thank you kindly in advance.
Eddie
we will be dry camping on a friends land that is over 1,000 acres in Florida. WE'll actually live there for a year or maybe even two years. The property owner (my good friend) said I could simply dig a ten to 12 foot deep hole and put a 4 foot by 4 foot piece of plywood over the hole. The plywood would function as a lid and decrease odors from escaping because the plywood would be almost entire buried under dirt. The only part that would not be buried is the plumbing part that attaches to my black water tubing/line. The hole would be about 18 to 24 inch diameter. Then I could attach/install the plumbing fixture on to the plywood and then hook up my black water hose to the fixture. Then each time i dump, just remove the plywood and bury the black water with 12 to 18 inches of dirt and repeat layering like this until the final layer of dirt is 24 inches thick. Then dig another 12 foot deep hole else where to start a new dump site.
It's his property, he's not an experienced Dry Camper nor experienced in RV'ing. Which is why i'm posting this question to you more experienced folks.
Can his plan work?
have you ever tried something similar?
Please share your suggestions, recommendation, advice. Thank you kindly in advance.
Eddie
I was living on 3 acress in the boonies once and the rules were so;
septic system or outhouse had to be minimum 100 feet from drilled water well..
Id check with your local county department just to be sure,,though on 100 acres there shouldnt be too many restrictions
When the rat rig came out to drill the "down hole", "rat hole", & the "mouse hole", they went over to the edge of the location and drilled a "potty hole" for the tool pusher's office trailer.
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WTP-GC wrote:
Soooo....
Florida is very unique in its soil conditions. We work all over the state from top to bottom and almost always deal with excavations. In one place, you could dig to China with never a hint of groundwater. At other places, the water is right below the surface. You might hit pure gold colored sand or limerock, and even clay. Sometimes you get nasty black muck. To categorize FL as having a single soil classification is way off.
But IMHO, this is what I'd do.
1000 acres = freedom
This is most likely AG land, in which case the State of FL is extremely lax in regards to these types of items. In other words, one could come up with almost any plausible excuse and/or justification for your actions (to some extent).
So get the biggest drum, tote, barrel, or whatever you can find and bury it a few inches below the surface. Make on inlet and one outlet pipe (opposite sides, of course). The outlet pipe must be lower than the inlet. You must put a weir in front of the outlet pipe (just bend some sheet metal or tin). The top of weir needs to be higher than the top of the inlet pipe. The bottom of the weir needs to be a few inches from the bottom of the tank. This will make sure that only liquids travel to the outlet pipe. Then go to Lowes or HD and buy about 2-3 sections of french drain pipe with the peanuts already wrapped around it. Connect that to the outlet pipe with a slight downhill slope. Skip the domes previously referenced, because they're not working out as well as people would have hoped in FL due to the organic growth of the soil ultimately clogging the entrance. Besides, most localities are now prohibiting the sell of the domes to anyone that doesn't have a plumbing or utility contractor license. The french drain is cheaper anyway.
Dump the gray water in there too, but dump the black tank first. Then only allow a slow dump of the gray water into the tank, so you don't overload the drain field. And it will never hurt to add some water to it.
This will serve you fine in a RV for a few years (probably more).
D.E.Bishop wrote:
I think this is a very well thought out response, with the exception of the composting toilet part. I don't think living in your RV for a year or two is dry camping and you might want to figure out how to safely do away with the grey water. Are you going to be sinking a water well or is there one on site?
For a permanent living space, I for one feel you should consult a CE who specializes in septic systems and have it installed according to the local building codes with the proper sizing. I don't feel it is mandatory to get permits and all that but, in as much as there are quite a few unintended consequences to dumping of raw sewage(including grey water) for up to two years is inviting trouble.
coolmom42 wrote:
Florida is a whole different ball of wax than a lot of the US. Super-sandy soil which is totally permeable, and a very shallow water table. A badly constructed system can contaminate a LOT of groundwater, and a LOT of people get their drinking water from wells fed by that groundwater.
Not to mention weather systems that can dump many inches of rain in a short time.
I would go with a composting toilet, or some sort of vault with a pump-out system.
Florida is a whole different ball of wax than a lot of the US. Super-sandy soil which is totally permeable, and a very shallow water table. A badly constructed system can contaminate a LOT of groundwater, and a LOT of people get their drinking water from wells fed by that groundwater.
Not to mention weather systems that can dump many inches of rain in a short time.
I would go with a composting toilet, or some sort of vault with a pump-out system.
I think this is a very well thought out response, with the exception of the composting toilet part. I don't think living in your RV for a year or two is dry camping and you might want to figure out how to safely do away with the grey water. Are you going to be sinking a water well or is there one on site?
For a permanent living space, I for one feel you should consult a CE who specializes in septic systems and have it installed according to the local building codes with the proper sizing. I don't feel it is mandatory to get permits and all that but, in as much as there are quite a few unintended consequences to dumping of raw sewage(including grey water) for up to two years is inviting trouble.
Soooo....
Florida is very unique in its soil conditions. We work all over the state from top to bottom and almost always deal with excavations. In one place, you could dig to China with never a hint of groundwater. At other places, the water is right below the surface. You might hit pure gold colored sand or limerock, and even clay. Sometimes you get nasty black muck. To categorize FL as having a single soil classification is way off.
But IMHO, this is what I'd do.
1000 acres = freedom
This is most likely AG land, in which case the State of FL is extremely lax in regards to these types of items. In other words, one could come up with almost any plausible excuse and/or justification for your actions (to some extent).
So get the biggest drum, tote, barrel, or whatever you can find and bury it a few inches below the surface. Make on inlet and one outlet pipe (opposite sides, of course). The outlet pipe must be lower than the inlet. You must put a weir in front of the outlet pipe (just bend some sheet metal or tin). The top of weir needs to be higher than the top of the inlet pipe. The bottom of the weir needs to be a few inches from the bottom of the tank. This will make sure that only liquids travel to the outlet pipe. Then go to Lowes or HD and buy about 2-3 sections of french drain pipe with the peanuts already wrapped around it. Connect that to the outlet pipe with a slight downhill slope. Skip the domes previously referenced, because they're not working out as well as people would have hoped in FL due to the organic growth of the soil ultimately clogging the entrance. Besides, most localities are now prohibiting the sell of the domes to anyone that doesn't have a plumbing or utility contractor license. The french drain is cheaper anyway.
Dump the gray water in there too, but dump the black tank first. Then only allow a slow dump of the gray water into the tank, so you don't overload the drain field. And it will never hurt to add some water to it.
This will serve you fine in a RV for a few years (probably more).
I'm not saying good or bad here but if you choose to do any of that I would set my RV slightly over top of it and disconnect the dump hose and cover the opening in the ground after dumping tanks so prying eyes wouldn't see what your doing. I'd recommend dumping tanks at nite also!
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I'm very disappointed
at the cavalier attitude and suggestions some of you have made, especially from a group of campers whom purportedly visit the great outdoors for its benefits.
phillyg wrote:
I've stayed out of this for the last 5 or so pages, but as I first said, FL water tables and limestone formations make for a bad mix. Yes, in some areas what the OP wants to do might be okay but the rest of FL, no way. A simple, effective and legal septic system could probably be done at low cost with county input.
I'm very disappointed
at the cavalier attitude and suggestions some of you have made, especially from a group of campers whom purportedly visit the great outdoors for its benefits.
I've stayed out of this for the last 5 or so pages, but as I first said, FL water tables and limestone formations make for a bad mix. Yes, in some areas what the OP wants to do might be okay but the rest of FL, no way. A simple, effective and legal septic system could probably be done at low cost with county input.
I'm very disappointed
at the cavalier attitude and suggestions some of you have made, especially from a group of campers whom purportedly visit the great outdoors for its benefits.
What he said. What's even more discouraging is the seeming lack of understanding why proper sanitation is of the utmost importance. These laws were not enacted, as some appear to believe, merely to provide something for bored building inspectors to do. There are sound scientific and health reasons to do this stuff the right way.
tinner12002 wrote:
I'm not saying good or bad here but if you choose to do any of that I would set my RV slightly over top of it and disconnect the dump hose and cover the opening in the ground after dumping tanks so prying eyes wouldn't see what your doing. I'd recommend dumping tanks at nite also!
I'm not saying good or bad here but if you choose to do any of that I would set my RV slightly over top of it and disconnect the dump hose and cover the opening in the ground after dumping tanks so prying eyes wouldn't see what your doing. I'd recommend dumping tanks at nite also!
If you have to sneak around doing something then it's probably not a good idea to do it in the first place.
Is the same person going to own that land forever? Think about the next owner.
The septic tank company will handle the permits and other items. I don't see Florida or other states doing any de-regulation on septic permits anytime soon, so it may be cheaper to play the game than to deal with the fines.
The OP is living there himself. He is not building an NFL stadium.
He has 1000 acres not 2
1000 Acres = 1.5625 Square Miles
2gypsies wrote:
If you have to sneak around doing something then it's probably not a good idea to do it in the first place.
Is the same person going to own that land forever? Think about the next owner.
tinner12002 wrote:
I'm not saying good or bad here but if you choose to do any of that I would set my RV slightly over top of it and disconnect the dump hose and cover the opening in the ground after dumping tanks so prying eyes wouldn't see what your doing. I'd recommend dumping tanks at nite also!
I'm not saying good or bad here but if you choose to do any of that I would set my RV slightly over top of it and disconnect the dump hose and cover the opening in the ground after dumping tanks so prying eyes wouldn't see what your doing. I'd recommend dumping tanks at nite also!
If you have to sneak around doing something then it's probably not a good idea to do it in the first place.
Is the same person going to own that land forever? Think about the next owner.
Well I wasn't saying what he wanted to do was right or wrong legally or morally, just stating that if he felt he had to dump there he shouldn't be too obvious about it.
WTP-GC wrote:
Inasmuch as people seem to be upset about some of the "cavalier" attitudes, I'm simply dumbfounded by the overall lack of understanding and the overly generalistic suggestions. A simple shallow septic system won't have any more impact on limestone formations and water tables than a good hard rain. The effect of one RVer dumping into his own homemade septic system on 1000 acres isn't a public sanitation catastrophe waiting to happen. If you want county input on your homemade septic system for your RV, then you're going to get a solid "NO" since they won't permit it unless it's attached to a legitimately permitted home, mobile home, or other allowable structure. So there's no way to get it done "properly" in this case.
Inasmuch as people seem to be upset about some of the "cavalier" attitudes, I'm simply dumbfounded by the overall lack of understanding and the overly generalistic suggestions. A simple shallow septic system won't have any more impact on limestone formations and water tables than a good hard rain. The effect of one RVer dumping into his own homemade septic system on 1000 acres isn't a public sanitation catastrophe waiting to happen. If you want county input on your homemade septic system for your RV, then you're going to get a solid "NO" since they won't permit it unless it's attached to a legitimately permitted home, mobile home, or other allowable structure. So there's no way to get it done "properly" in this case.
Well said. It's human waste not nuclear waste. One person or family using a homemade septic tank/pit of some sort on a 1000 acre private property is not the equivalent of a nuclear holocaust.
Key word is PRIVATE property. There are no nearby neighbors.
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
Lantley wrote:
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
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pnichols wrote:
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
Lantley wrote:
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
CavemanCharlie wrote:
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
pnichols wrote:
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
Lantley wrote:
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
I don't think the population was that much less. They certainly were not on 1000 acres.
Lantley wrote:
I don't think the population was that much less. They certainly were not on 1000 acres.
CavemanCharlie wrote:
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
pnichols wrote:
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
Lantley wrote:
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
I don't think the population was that much less. They certainly were not on 1000 acres.
I think you'll find the vast majority of homes had gotten rid of an outhouse as a principle means of sewage disposal by WWII, the population of the USA in 1940 was ~132 million.
Today it is nearly triple that.
Has this pooping situation been solved yet?
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JaxDad wrote:
I think you'll find the vast majority of homes had gotten rid of an outhouse as a principle means of sewage disposal by WWII, the population of the USA in 1940 was ~132 million.
Today it is nearly triple that.
Lantley wrote:
I don't think the population was that much less. They certainly were not on 1000 acres.
CavemanCharlie wrote:
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
pnichols wrote:
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
Lantley wrote:
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
I don't think the population was that much less. They certainly were not on 1000 acres.
I think you'll find the vast majority of homes had gotten rid of an outhouse as a principle means of sewage disposal by WWII, the population of the USA in 1940 was ~132 million.
Today it is nearly triple that.
There is a community close to me known as Oella,MD. Some houses had outhouses until the 80's. The houses are not on 1000 acre lots.
Somehow the community survived.
Oella,MD outhouses
But, it would be better to:
KNOW the laws, rules, and regulations.
COMPLY with all those laws, rules, and regulations.
DOCUMENT your compliance with all the laws, rules, and regulations.
Of course, it is entirely up to the individual. BUT, if anyone chooses to ignore the laws, rules, and regulations, please do us the favor of not coming on these forums complaining that somebody turned you in for non-compliance and it cost you several thousand dollars. Some of us quite likely will NOT be very sympathetic!
If I had 1000 acres, and for some reason I couldn't put in a sewage system, I'd just put a cassette toilet in and keep about 7-10 cassettes on site. Graywater from the shower and such would just run into the ground since that is legal in rural Texas. As for the stuff from the cassette toilet, I just load the full ones into my truck, take them to a dump station and empty them one by one.
JaxDad wrote:
I think you'll find the vast majority of homes had gotten rid of an outhouse as a principle means of sewage disposal by WWII, the population of the USA in 1940 was ~132 million.
Today it is nearly triple that.
Lantley wrote:
I don't think the population was that much less. They certainly were not on 1000 acres.
CavemanCharlie wrote:
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
pnichols wrote:
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
Lantley wrote:
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
I don't think the population was that much less. They certainly were not on 1000 acres.
I think you'll find the vast majority of homes had gotten rid of an outhouse as a principle means of sewage disposal by WWII, the population of the USA in 1940 was ~132 million.
Today it is nearly triple that.
And that changes the argument.... errr... How?
As usual all the naysaying nannies are telling everyone how dangerous the world is and how we will mess it all up if we even dare to fart...
It's getting a bit tiresome folks...
A little bit of **** scattered here and there even in "unholy" quantities isn't going to affect this planet - it is way more resilient than than you have been told. The entire water supply for North America will not be disaffected because the OP is going to dump his minuscule amount of waste in a small hole in the ground in one and a half square miles of Florida.
I know it's all a bit "icky" for those of the weaker constitution but poop and grey water are not actually unstoppable biological weapons... Trust me on this because if you lot were right we wouldn't need nuclear weapons... We'd simply throw our excrement at one another...
CavemanCharlie wrote:
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
pnichols wrote:
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
Lantley wrote:
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
Watch the TED Talk I posted earlier about the 500 million people in India alone who do their business outside. Then add all the people in Appalachia, Mississippi, Lousiana, Georgia, the great Southwest, China, the continent of Africa, well, you get my idea. Oh, and don't forget all the animals that we produce now so people can pig out on beef and chicken three times a day.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/02/world/asia/india-waste-scavengers/
2gypsies wrote:
If you need a job there are plenty of opening in India picking up the human waste... but then you'll have a shorter life.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/02/world/asia/india-waste-scavengers/
If you need a job there are plenty of opening in India picking up the human waste... but then you'll have a shorter life.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/02/world/asia/india-waste-scavengers/
It's interesting how many folks here seem to think poor sanitation is not a health hazard.
Some of y'all need to get out of the city more.....
Question to the nay Sayers, what do you do when you have to take a leak or drop a deuce in the woods? Hold it til you run back to "civilization"? Bag it and throw it in your pack with lunch and the compass?
Here's a nice little fact to gross out the city slickers. The entire Victoria BC area dumps ALL their raw sewage into the water. Have been forever! We just got the contract to build the first sewer treatment plant there, lol.
(Better stop eating that wild caught salmon and halibut from the strait of Juan de fuca. Them fish get fat on recycled poutine and Kokanee!)
;-)
Paul & Sandra
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Grit dog wrote:
City folk vs country folk......love it!
Some of y'all need to get out of the city more.....
Question to the nay Sayers, what do you do when you have to take a leak or drop a deuce in the woods? Hold it til you run back to "civilization"? Bag it and throw it in your pack with lunch and the compass?
Here's a nice little fact to gross out the city slickers. The entire Victoria BC area dumps ALL their raw sewage into the water. Have been forever! We just got the contract to build the first sewer treatment plant there, lol.
(Better stop eating that wild caught salmon and halibut from the strait of Juan de fuca. Them fish get fat on recycled poutine and Kokanee!)
City folk vs country folk......love it!
Some of y'all need to get out of the city more.....
Question to the nay Sayers, what do you do when you have to take a leak or drop a deuce in the woods? Hold it til you run back to "civilization"? Bag it and throw it in your pack with lunch and the compass?
Here's a nice little fact to gross out the city slickers. The entire Victoria BC area dumps ALL their raw sewage into the water. Have been forever! We just got the contract to build the first sewer treatment plant there, lol.
(Better stop eating that wild caught salmon and halibut from the strait of Juan de fuca. Them fish get fat on recycled poutine and Kokanee!)
I just caught a halibut out on Middle Bank on May 4th. It was delicious!!!
Chris & Stephanie
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CavemanCharlie wrote:
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
pnichols wrote:
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
Lantley wrote:
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
It wasn't that long ago every house had an out house yet somehow we evolved and are all here!
Outstanding observation and statement!
This is an unassailable position that should put this discussion to bed ... in favor of the OP going ahead and dealing with their own black tank waste as they see fit on adequate private acreage. By the way, 1000 acres is way beyond "adequate private acreage". Most private outhouses were on far less land.
There were millions of less people in the country when every house had a outhouse.
Something to think about.
So now there are millions more people. That require millions of more animals to feed them. I don't think those additional animals know how to use a toilet. Rumor has it they are all dumping on the ground right out in the open! On less than 1000 acres.
There not even using a homemade septic. What's good enough for the goose is good enough for me.
Something else to think about.
shelbyfv wrote:
Has O/P been back to his thread?
no
Has O/P been back to his thread?
I work in the environmental industry and see exactly what happens first hand. You know, there are many places that legally dispose of their sludge through land application techniques. Yes, sludge is a general term, but just imagine a great big basin full of feces and water (most of the trash has been filtered out). Land application is also a general term, but just imagine a truck driving out into a field and dumping the sludge on top of the ground. Yes, this happens...and yes, its very legal (when permitted). Happens all the time here in FL. I often wonder how the neighbors feel about their local sewage plant dumping sludge on the ground in their theoretical watershed. Sometimes, there are local farmers who get paid to allow the treatment plant to dump on their property because, well, that's some good fertilizer.
So before anyone gets all worked up about an RV'er dumping his poop on the ground or in a hole...oh wait...too late...
WTP-GC wrote:
So before anyone gets all worked up about an RV'er dumping his poop on the ground or in a hole...oh wait...too late...
You should see what 'they' say about gray water.
So before anyone gets all worked up about an RV'er dumping his poop on the ground or in a hole...oh wait...too late...
Eddiegnz1 wrote:
we will be dry camping on a friends land that is over 1,000 acres in Florida. WE'll actually live there for a year or maybe even two years. The property owner (my good friend) said I could simply dig a ten to 12 foot deep hole and put a 4 foot by 4 foot piece of plywood over the hole. The plywood would function as a lid and decrease odors from escaping because the plywood would be almost entire buried under dirt. The only part that would not be buried is the plumbing part that attaches to my black water tubing/line. The hole would be about 18 to 24 inch diameter. Then I could attach/install the plumbing fixture on to the plywood and then hook up my black water hose to the fixture. Then each time i dump, just remove the plywood and bury the black water with 12 to 18 inches of dirt and repeat layering like this until the final layer of dirt is 24 inches thick. Then dig another 12 foot deep hole else where to start a new dump site.
It's his property, he's not an experienced Dry Camper nor experienced in RV'ing. Which is why i'm posting this question to you more experienced folks.
Can his plan work?
have you ever tried something similar?
Please share your suggestions, recommendation, advice. Thank you kindly in advance.
Eddie
we will be dry camping on a friends land that is over 1,000 acres in Florida. WE'll actually live there for a year or maybe even two years. The property owner (my good friend) said I could simply dig a ten to 12 foot deep hole and put a 4 foot by 4 foot piece of plywood over the hole. The plywood would function as a lid and decrease odors from escaping because the plywood would be almost entire buried under dirt. The only part that would not be buried is the plumbing part that attaches to my black water tubing/line. The hole would be about 18 to 24 inch diameter. Then I could attach/install the plumbing fixture on to the plywood and then hook up my black water hose to the fixture. Then each time i dump, just remove the plywood and bury the black water with 12 to 18 inches of dirt and repeat layering like this until the final layer of dirt is 24 inches thick. Then dig another 12 foot deep hole else where to start a new dump site.
It's his property, he's not an experienced Dry Camper nor experienced in RV'ing. Which is why i'm posting this question to you more experienced folks.
Can his plan work?
have you ever tried something similar?
Please share your suggestions, recommendation, advice. Thank you kindly in advance.
Eddie
Don't care how many acres he has it's WRONG and against the law.
The amount of acres has nothing to do with doing the right thing.
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Florida is all sand and has an aquifer. Your unfiltered raw sewage is going directly into the Florida aquifer.
In the Midwest (where it is STILL ILLEGAL) the ground is different clay, dirt, granite, sand, gravel, etc will filter some waste before it can get into a possible nearby vein of water. FLORIDA GROUND DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY. Dumping raw sewage into the ground anywhere is Illegal.
If you are going to snowbird and/or live par time in Florida, try being responsible about our water instead of asking how to spoil it.
* This post was edited 05/29/17 03:18pm by rockhillmanor *
We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned,
so as to have the life that is waiting for us.
"Human excreta and the lack of adequate personal and domestic hygiene have been implicated in the transmission of many infectious diseases including cholera, typhoid, hepatitis, polio, cryptosporidiosis, ascariasis, and schistosomiasis."
There's a good reason that most of those diseases are almost unheard of in this country: Good sanitation. Just my thought about dumping your untreated output.
Howard and Peggy
"Don't Panic"
NWKomfort350 wrote:
I just caught a halibut out on Middle Bank on May 4th. It was delicious!!!
Grit dog wrote:
City folk vs country folk......love it!
Some of y'all need to get out of the city more.....
Question to the nay Sayers, what do you do when you have to take a leak or drop a deuce in the woods? Hold it til you run back to "civilization"? Bag it and throw it in your pack with lunch and the compass?
Here's a nice little fact to gross out the city slickers. The entire Victoria BC area dumps ALL their raw sewage into the water. Have been forever! We just got the contract to build the first sewer treatment plant there, lol.
(Better stop eating that wild caught salmon and halibut from the strait of Juan de fuca. Them fish get fat on recycled poutine and Kokanee!)
City folk vs country folk......love it!
Some of y'all need to get out of the city more.....
Question to the nay Sayers, what do you do when you have to take a leak or drop a deuce in the woods? Hold it til you run back to "civilization"? Bag it and throw it in your pack with lunch and the compass?
Here's a nice little fact to gross out the city slickers. The entire Victoria BC area dumps ALL their raw sewage into the water. Have been forever! We just got the contract to build the first sewer treatment plant there, lol.
(Better stop eating that wild caught salmon and halibut from the strait of Juan de fuca. Them fish get fat on recycled poutine and Kokanee!)
I just caught a halibut out on Middle Bank on May 4th. It was delicious!!!
Some of that special corn fed Halibut, lol.
Hold and dump, or dig a hole a couple feet deep and big enough to contain, then dump and cover. Natural and organic. Just not on the surface or near open water.
It's not a problem, except for the same people who are against hunting but are oblivious to the fact that McDonalds burgers are made from dead cows.
If you're worried about drinking your neighbors p!ss, then stop drinking out of a sand point well and get a little deeper.
rockhillmanor wrote:
Florida is all sand and has an aquifer. Your unfiltered raw sewage is going directly into the Florida aquifer.
Florida is all sand and has an aquifer. Your unfiltered raw sewage is going directly into the Florida aquifer.
This is a completely FALSE and MISLEADING statement. The top of the Floridan aquifer ranges from about 50-75 feet below ground to more than 800 feet below ground (depending on the part of the state you're in). Florida IS NOT all sand, and in fact that probably only characterizes a small portion of the state geology.
WTP-GC wrote:
This is a completely FALSE and MISLEADING statement...... Florida IS NOT all sand, and in fact that probably only characterizes a small portion of the state geology......
rockhillmanor wrote:
Florida is all sand and has an aquifer......
Florida is all sand and has an aquifer......
This is a completely FALSE and MISLEADING statement...... Florida IS NOT all sand, and in fact that probably only characterizes a small portion of the state geology......
All this back and forth over 11 pages pointing out who's right and wrong based on opinions, some of which clearly promote breaking the law because "it's just a little poop," or words to that effect, is very disappointing. It's not okay to dump **** anywhere.
I more or less provided the correct answer back on page 5 when I cited Polk County (the OP didn't say which county but I suspect any FL county has similar requirements), where I posted, "I just randomly picked Polk which is heavily rural. Even there, their sewage regs state, 'Cesspools, seepage pits, dry wells and leaching pits shall not be installed.' I think that pretty much eliminates your proposal." There is no discussion therein about different application of the regs if it's 1 or 1,000 acres.
Seriously folks, I think you need to reevaluate your thinking if you believe it's okay to **** on the regs and be so inconsiderate of your fellow man. Just a reminder: one big difference between first and third world countries is its ability to provide good sanitation and control disease. Perhaps you scofflaws should live in India where you can drop trou' in the street with impunity.
sgip2000 wrote:
Where do you all think the discharge from a sewage treatment plant goes? Check out the "Dirty Jobs" sewage treatment plant episode.
Where do you all think the discharge from a sewage treatment plant goes? Check out the "Dirty Jobs" sewage treatment plant episode.
The key word is "treatment".
Grit dog wrote:
So is rockhillmanor saying that you can't have a septic in Florida and that the whole state is on city sewer?
So is rockhillmanor saying that you can't have a septic in Florida and that the whole state is on city sewer?
There is a BIG difference between a a septic system (which is a treatment facility, it does NOT just dump raw sewage into the environment) and a hole in the ground.
The bacteria in the tank actually digests the matter flowing into it, what runs out into the leach field, while hardly pure is TREATED waste that is easily digested by the plant matter growing above.
That is why there is such strict rules on what constitutes a septic system and how it is built and where.
As always, no matter if it is a sewage system or a LLC:
KNOW the applicable laws and regulations.
COMPLY with said laws and regulations.
DOCUMENT your compliance with said laws and regulations.
Know, Comply, and document; you will probably not spend any time in jail, probably not be assessed any huge fines, and should not have anything to worry about.