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Posted By: Komfort 23TS on 04/14/17 07:02am

What truck for a class c motor home? Chevrolet 4500 or ford 450? I lean towards the Chevrolet. Need advice. Thank you






Posted By: Sam Spade on 04/14/17 07:38am

Both have long proven track records and the "quirks", if any, are well known.

I think you should NOT let that be the main determining factor in which unit you pick. Tie breaker maybe but floor plan and equipment are WAY more important.


Posted By: Bobbo on 04/14/17 08:46am

I am a Chevy man, but got a Ford and am quite satisfied with it. No regrets here.


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Posted By: blofgren on 04/14/17 08:53am

The Ford V-10 motorhome platform is bulletproof and tough to beat in both Class C and Class A applications. I would actually prefer the Ford over the GM in this application by a large margin.

The Ford platform is much more common as well which is good for parts and service availability.


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Posted By: DrewE on 04/14/17 09:13am

Both are fine.

The Ford is more common particularly in motorhomes, and the current E-450 has slightly higher weight ratings than the Chevy 4500 (though not by a huge margin).

The Chevy has more room in the cab, particularly foot room, and many say it rides a little better and perhaps is less demanding of good alignment and adjustment for good handling.






Posted By: MEXICOWANDERER on 04/14/17 09:55am

Myself? As an aside I would LOVE a chassis with 19.5" tires and all disc brakes. A monster alternator upgrade possible, lots of room for batteries...

Here Santa. All listed on tractor paper. 17 sheets. My ideal chassis...

Well SHOOT! I can dream can't I ?


Posted By: Snowman9000 on 04/14/17 12:05pm

We have had a Chevy 3500 small C, and now a 4500. We have not had the Ford. Anything I write about the Ford is hearsay. But I've been reading here for years, so I'm just repeating what I've read.

The 6.0L V8 is a great motor. Both it and the Ford have had HP spec changes in the last year or so for some reason. Before those changes, I recall that the Chevy had quite a bit more HP, and the torque was similar to the Ford. My point being, don't get hung up on the mistaken idea that the 6.0 Chevy is not as strong as the 6.8 V10 Ford. It's probably the other way around! (That'll get some eyes rolling, but I bet it's true.)

The Chevy 6 speed trans is great. The engine and trans combo work well. I cruise in 6th at about 2000 RPM. When it needs to downshift to 5th, there is no commotion, and virtually no increase in noise. 4th is not unpleasant, but at that point you are hearing more of it.

Ford people like to talk about "let it scream, that's what it is designed to do." I just have not experienced that with the Chevy. I think the Chevy is a real stout engine, and the package is smooth and quiet.

Ford now has a 6 speed. I think it has greatly improved upon the manners of the prior 5 speed trans. A lot of people complained about that one. So, maybe the 6 speed is now as good as the Chevy's manners and noise level.

(Again prior to the new 6 speed) Fords got worse MPG than the Chevy. It seemed to be about 1 MPG less. Maybe that gap as closed somewhat or completely now.

There is some difference between the two in front end suspension architecture, which I don't recall. The Chevy handles quite well.

There is no noticeable engine doghouse heat in our two Chevys.

Both the driver and passenger legroom is better in the Chevy. I think the Chevy nose is 6 inches longer, so they must have the engine a bit more forward.

For all those reasons, I bought the Chevy for our Class C's. Just so you know, I like both Ford and Chevy trucks in general. My last three pickups were Ford, Ford, and Chevy (diesel). I try to buy what's right for the situation.


Currently RV-less but not done yet.


Posted By: MEXICOWANDERER on 04/14/17 01:12pm

My God.
The price of those individual spark plug coil amplifier noodgies. I love -riding- in a V10 Ford van - the engine idles so smooth I can't even feel it. But I make myself scarce at the gas pump and I grin and shrug when one of those nightmare spark plug conspiracies goes seppuku.


Posted By: theoldwizard1 on 04/14/17 05:46pm

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:

I love -riding- in a V10 Ford van - the engine idles so smooth I can't even feel it.

Hot rumor is the V10 is going out to pasture soon. New engine will be based on the existing 6.2L, but larger displacement and more power.

Not sure what transmission GM is using in that size vehicle, but the Ford 6R140 is used in everything up to the F750 so it is pretty strong.


Posted By: DrewE on 04/14/17 06:39pm

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:

My God.
The price of those individual spark plug coil amplifier noodgies. I love -riding- in a V10 Ford van - the engine idles so smooth I can't even feel it. But I make myself scarce at the gas pump and I grin and shrug when one of those nightmare spark plug conspiracies goes seppuku.


Coil-on-plug units are not particularly troublesome, generally speaking. Many modern gas engines use them. They eliminate the plug wires, and their periodic replacement and other annoyances. I'm not quite sure what you mean about their price, either; aftermarket ones can be had for $5 apiece or so, and Ford OEM ones for under $40 with a very quick search online.

Dealing with the spark plugs on a Ford E series chassis is no walk in the park, I'll grant, since they're all but inaccessible. I suspect the Chevy engine installation might be a bit easier to deal with for that, though I haven't checked for myself.


Posted By: chiefneon on 04/14/17 07:56pm

Howdy!

One problem I see is Chevrolet no longer makes the 4500. Last one was 2008 or 2009. I had a 5500 MDT we used to tow or 5er. Was a great TV but started had little problems finding parts for it. So I traded it in on our now 4400 International.

"Happy Trails"
Chiefneon


Posted By: free radical on 04/14/17 09:12pm

Komfort 23TS wrote:

What truck for a class c motor home? Chevrolet 4500 or ford 450? I lean towards the Chevrolet. Need advice. Thank you

I only have half ton Silverado so dont know about those big rigs,,but fwiw in these 9 years never had any serious issues with this truck..
If you Drive smartly truck will always last long time


Posted By: DrewE on 04/14/17 10:15pm

chiefneon wrote:

Howdy!

One problem I see is Chevrolet no longer makes the 4500. Last one was 2008 or 2009. I had a 5500 MDT we used to tow or 5er. Was a great TV but started had little problems finding parts for it. So I traded it in on our now 4400 International.

"Happy Trails"
Chiefneon


The Chevrolet/GMC website says otherwise. [emoticon] I don't know precisely when they restarted production, but it's been at least a couple years.


Posted By: gmctoyman on 04/16/17 07:15pm

Had 2 E450 chassis, now have a Chev 4500, I don't believe you could give me another E450 ! The Ford rides and handles like a farm truck, cab ergonomics are something you don't want to expose anythe but crash dummies to.

The older 4500 that Chief is on about was based on the Kodiak chassis, a full blown mid-duty truck. The new ones are a beefed up Chevy Evpress van chassis.


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Posted By: MEXICOWANDERER on 04/17/17 12:09am

I like my heavily modified Gillig chassis. Tough to beat an 855 N series PT Cummins engine. Zero electronics. I did switch to top-stop injectors sort of like the hydraulic valve lifter of Cummins Injectors. The unit does have a waaaaay heavy 50 MT Delco starter motor. A gear reduction Nippondenso weighs 1/4 as much. But the Fuller 10/5/13 trans and aux will take that bus places only a Unimog can match. Only have to run the overhead every 50K if that. Means valve and injector tweaks. Can't have everything. I'll be sending images of an all teak interior including marine head. The patio is 15x7 fully enclosed with floor but it is packed with silica gel and rodentcide. 237 lbs. 3 hours to erect the shelter. My how things morph when a person ages. Sad.


Posted By: Snowman9000 on 04/17/17 06:17am

chiefneon wrote:

Howdy!

One problem I see is Chevrolet no longer makes the 4500. Last one was 2008 or 2009. ...
"Happy Trails"
Chiefneon


Not true in the van cutaways. Ours is a 2014.


Posted By: j-d on 04/17/17 07:25am

I think GM has frustrated the RV builders with their on-again-off-again interest in cutaway chassis. I've heard that the 4500 van cutaway is built on a line shared with the Colorado pickup, and demand for the Colorado has caused GM to make more pickups and less cutaways.

As a potential owner or buyer, I don't believe GM's spotty production record should keep anybody from owning one. It's still a GM vehicle with probably 90-pct-plus of the chassis, body, and cockpit parts shared with other GM truck and van products.


If God's Your Co-Pilot Move Over, jd
2003 Jayco Escapade 31A on 2002 Ford E450 V10 4R100 218" WB


Posted By: IAMICHABOD on 04/17/17 08:16am

The Wentzville Mo. plant builds the Chevrolet Express and GMC Savana vans and the midsize Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon pickups.


Chevrolet has partnered with Navistar to continue the production of the Chevy Cutaway and upping production rate of the vehicle.

We may see more Chevy Based RVs.


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