The dealers have been calling with trade offers which I usually ignore but the latest is an offer I'd be stupid to refuse. I was planning on another Ram 2500 as I don't need a 1 ton truck but when I price out the same truck in a 3500 series it is only $400 more. Seems crazy. What am I missing?
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It is a 1 ton truck therefore it drives like a truck
Won't change a thing
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2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
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Letting the rear tires down to 45ish makes in ride well empty.
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Greene728 wrote:
I drive a 2015 SRW 3500 Cummins as a DD. Difference is the 2500 has the coil set up and the 3500 still uses leaf springs.
I drive a 2015 SRW 3500 Cummins as a DD. Difference is the 2500 has the coil set up and the 3500 still uses leaf springs.
Thanks for this. All I had in my head was the overload springs which is the case between most hd trucks. I had totally forgotten about my coil spring setup. The difference in ride must be noticeably different? Time for a test drive I thinks.
wing_zealot wrote:
Do you have to park in any parking decks?
Do you have to park in any parking decks?
Nope, live out in a small country community. Drive about 28kms each way to work. I don't think the 3500 is any taller than my 2500 is it?
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2016 Keystone Raptor 352TS
donn0128 wrote:
Use the EB all the time, lock it out of OD in town and below about 45 MPH and it should work just fine.
If you use T/H mode, it will refrain from lugging or trying to constantly shift up to 6th when you are putting along. Added benefit of more aggressive exhaust braking when you are trying to stop.
Use the EB all the time, lock it out of OD in town and below about 45 MPH and it should work just fine.
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camp-n-family wrote:
Thanks for this. All I had in my head was the overload springs which is the case between most hd trucks. I had totally forgotten about my coil spring setup. The difference in ride must be noticeably different? Time for a test drive I thinks.
Greene728 wrote:
I drive a 2015 SRW 3500 Cummins as a DD. Difference is the 2500 has the coil set up and the 3500 still uses leaf springs.
I drive a 2015 SRW 3500 Cummins as a DD. Difference is the 2500 has the coil set up and the 3500 still uses leaf springs.
Thanks for this. All I had in my head was the overload springs which is the case between most hd trucks. I had totally forgotten about my coil spring setup. The difference in ride must be noticeably different? Time for a test drive I thinks.
The coils ride and handle noticeably better, part of that is probably the sway bar. The tradeoff is 500 lbs less carrying capacity on the rear axle, unless you supplement with bags or timbrens.
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donn0128 wrote:
Use the EB all the time, lock it out of OD in town and below about 45 MPH and it should work just fine.
Use the EB all the time, lock it out of OD in town and below about 45 MPH and it should work just fine.
Use TH to make EB work like it should.
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07 Dodge 1500 5.7L Hemi 3.55 / 2010 Jayco 17z
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Bionic Man wrote:
You won't notice any difference from your 2500.
You won't notice any difference from your 2500.
With all due respect, there's a big difference now after 2014 when the 2500 got the coil spring rear....like night and day difference between the two. The small bumps are way sharper/harsher in the 3500.
ib516 wrote:
With all due respect, there's a big difference now after 2014 when the 2500 got the coil spring rear....like night and day difference between the two. The small bumps are way sharper/harsher in the 3500.
Bionic Man wrote:
You won't notice any difference from your 2500.
You won't notice any difference from your 2500.
With all due respect, there's a big difference now after 2014 when the 2500 got the coil spring rear....like night and day difference between the two. The small bumps are way sharper/harsher in the 3500.
With similar air pressure in the rear tires?????
Me Again wrote:
With similar air pressure in the rear tires?????
ib516 wrote:
With all due respect, there's a big difference now after 2014 when the 2500 got the coil spring rear....like night and day difference between the two. The small bumps are way sharper/harsher in the 3500.
Bionic Man wrote:
You won't notice any difference from your 2500.
You won't notice any difference from your 2500.
With all due respect, there's a big difference now after 2014 when the 2500 got the coil spring rear....like night and day difference between the two. The small bumps are way sharper/harsher in the 3500.
With similar air pressure in the rear tires?????
I am surprised there would be that much difference. Especially if the 3500 has the air. But I was thinking more about maneuverability between the two than the actual ride quality.
ib516 wrote:
I had a 2014 2500 Hemi, good friend has a 2014 3500 SRW Cummins. Same trucks (4x4, crew cab, short bed), even had the same tires. The ride quality was very different. His was way more harsh.
I had a 2014 2500 Hemi, good friend has a 2014 3500 SRW Cummins. Same trucks (4x4, crew cab, short bed), even had the same tires. The ride quality was very different. His was way more harsh.
Thanks. That's kind of what I was expecting/ fearing. Planning a test drive tomorrow if I can find one.
Wild Card wrote:
Get it with the factory air ride.
My 15 Dually is my DD
Get it with the factory air ride.
My 15 Dually is my DD
Won't be getting the factory air ride option. Too many issues/problems in the colder climates.
I thought the 2500 with the coil springs rode really well, so I was somewhat resigned to a harsher ride moving back to a 3500 (had an older 3500 years ago). But it turned out to be pretty anti-climactic. Yes, the 2500 still rides better than the 3500. But the difference is pretty small on normal roads. Throw some railroad tracks or major potholes in the mix, and the difference becomes greater. But I seldom encounter those on my common routes. So I'm content with the 3500's ride. Just put 1300 highway miles on this weekend, and even my wife never complained.
If you're testing, break it out into two parts... normal streets, and some rougher stuff, like railroad tracks. That'll help see where the differences lie.
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Another big change between the two is the 2500 has a Tire Pressure Warning System while the 3500 only has a Tire Pressure Monitoring System. The TPMS does not provide a warning when the pressure goes below a certain point which makes it much nicer.
My 3500 SRW w/6.4 Hemi is my daily driver. Only thing I find is that I drop the pressure down to 45psi in the rear tires when I don't have my camper on board or carrying heavy loads. Makes the ride much nicer.
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camp-n-family wrote:
Thanks. That's kind of what I was expecting/ fearing. Planning a test drive tomorrow if I can find one.
ib516 wrote:
I had a 2014 2500 Hemi, good friend has a 2014 3500 SRW Cummins. Same trucks (4x4, crew cab, short bed), even had the same tires. The ride quality was very different. His was way more harsh.
I had a 2014 2500 Hemi, good friend has a 2014 3500 SRW Cummins. Same trucks (4x4, crew cab, short bed), even had the same tires. The ride quality was very different. His was way more harsh.
Thanks. That's kind of what I was expecting/ fearing. Planning a test drive tomorrow if I can find one.
Do not let this quote scare you away. The ride is not harsher at all with equal tire pressure from truck to truck. Most people can't really tell any difference. Yes, some roads that are rough to begin with you may notice slightly more stiffness, but normal roads and conditions it's very close to a wash. But remember, it is a trade off for more carrying capacity. It's a 1 ton truck and gonna ride like one sometimes.
3500 leafs are stiffer than 2500 coils but both are stiff empty and both are worse with 70-80 psi in the rear tires. Drop the rear tires to 35-40psi and watch the harshness of a 3500 be greatly reduced.
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We run our 3500 SRW's rear tires at 45 PSI when empty. It does help, but it's not a magic pill.
The '99 dodge 2500 that I currently have gets used as a DD quite frequently. Again, the antennas mitigate against parking garages, but I can get to the drive-up ATM at my bank no problem, and the bank even has a drive-up teller where the vacuum tube terminal is built for tall trucks! That is great.
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I've daily driven a SRW 3500 for more than 10 years. My 05 rides just fine and my family are plenty happy in it. The new 3500s ride a fair amount smoother and are much more refined.
Unless you're very sensitive or have health issues I can't see any reason why you'd find issue with a 3500 SRW as a daily driver. The ride difference between one and a new 2500 is very small.
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Last week I was at a dealer looking to trade up. The truck I was interested in was at there storage lot 3 miles away. I drove one of there 2500's to the lot. It was a very noticeable difference in the ride. The 2500 was smoother, and more comfortable.
Didn't stop me from buying another 3500 though.
mowin wrote:
I've been driving a 3500 SRW for 3 yrs now, so I'm used to the ride.
Last week I was at a dealer looking to trade up. The truck I was interested in was at there storage lot 3 miles away. I drove one of there 2500's to the lot. It was a very noticeable difference in the ride. The 2500 was smoother, and more comfortable.
Didn't stop me from buying another 3500 though.
I've been driving a 3500 SRW for 3 yrs now, so I'm used to the ride.
Last week I was at a dealer looking to trade up. The truck I was interested in was at there storage lot 3 miles away. I drove one of there 2500's to the lot. It was a very noticeable difference in the ride. The 2500 was smoother, and more comfortable.
Didn't stop me from buying another 3500 though.
Again, until you know tire pressure, comparisons are not very valid. Every test drive I took in a RAM had 75-80 lbs on air in the rear tires.
Chris
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2018 Grand Design Reflection 303RLS
Me Again wrote:
Again, until you know tire pressure, comparisons are not very valid. Every test drive I took in a RAM had 75-80 lbs on air in the rear tires.
Chris
mowin wrote:
I've been driving a 3500 SRW for 3 yrs now, so I'm used to the ride.
Last week I was at a dealer looking to trade up. The truck I was interested in was at there storage lot 3 miles away. I drove one of there 2500's to the lot. It was a very noticeable difference in the ride. The 2500 was smoother, and more comfortable.
Didn't stop me from buying another 3500 though.
I've been driving a 3500 SRW for 3 yrs now, so I'm used to the ride.
Last week I was at a dealer looking to trade up. The truck I was interested in was at there storage lot 3 miles away. I drove one of there 2500's to the lot. It was a very noticeable difference in the ride. The 2500 was smoother, and more comfortable.
Didn't stop me from buying another 3500 though.
Again, until you know tire pressure, comparisons are not very valid. Every test drive I took in a RAM had 75-80 lbs on air in the rear tires.
Chris
Tire pressure in the 2500. F 76-78, R were both 79. My 3500. 65 all 4.
So in theory, my 3500 should have been smoother? Lol
The_real_wild1 wrote:
Or buy a chevy and not worry about the ride lol
Or buy a chevy and not worry about the ride lol
But then one has a Chevy with IFS! Chris
* This post was edited 03/27/17 06:43pm by Me Again *
The_real_wild1 wrote:
Ummm I have had four new dodges since 2008. I will take the IFS in my chevy thank you very much.
Ummm I have had four new dodges since 2008. I will take the IFS in my chevy thank you very much.
Well said... My parents 05 2500 Chevy didn't have any suspension issues when they sold it late last year.
It's very interesting that the koolaid fan boy always forgets that ram got slapped with the biggest safety recall fine in automotive history because of defective ram suspensions.
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FishOnOne wrote:
Well said... My parents 05 2500 Chevy didn't have any suspension issues when they sold it late last year.
It's very interesting that the koolaid fan boy always forgets that ram got slapped with the biggest safety recall fine in automotive history because of defective ram suspensions.
The_real_wild1 wrote:
Ummm I have had four new dodges since 2008. I will take the IFS in my chevy thank you very much.
Ummm I have had four new dodges since 2008. I will take the IFS in my chevy thank you very much.
Well said... My parents 05 2500 Chevy didn't have any suspension issues when they sold it late last year.
It's very interesting that the koolaid fan boy always forgets that ram got slapped with the biggest safety recall fine in automotive history because of defective ram suspensions.
Fish, what is the point of your post other than stirring the pot???? Just can't help yourself can you?
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blofgren wrote:
Fish, what is the point of your post other than stirring the pot???? Just can't help yourself can you?
FishOnOne wrote:
Well said... My parents 05 2500 Chevy didn't have any suspension issues when they sold it late last year.
It's very interesting that the koolaid fan boy always forgets that ram got slapped with the biggest safety recall fine in automotive history because of defective ram suspensions.
The_real_wild1 wrote:
Ummm I have had four new dodges since 2008. I will take the IFS in my chevy thank you very much.
Ummm I have had four new dodges since 2008. I will take the IFS in my chevy thank you very much.
Well said... My parents 05 2500 Chevy didn't have any suspension issues when they sold it late last year.
It's very interesting that the koolaid fan boy always forgets that ram got slapped with the biggest safety recall fine in automotive history because of defective ram suspensions.
Fish, what is the point of your post other than stirring the pot???? Just can't help yourself can you?
You mean presenting facts to the Mafia
blofgren wrote:
Fish, what is the point of your post other than stirring the pot???? Just can't help yourself can you?
Fish, what is the point of your post other than stirring the pot???? Just can't help yourself can you?
He keeps going, and going and going... He simply cannot help himself. A thread specifically about a newer model Ram, he just cannot resist the urge to troll. No factual experience to speak of, in fact he has to bring up issues with a previous model year truck that has nothing to do with the OP's question. Then he wonders why people get sick of him...
spoon059 wrote:
He keeps going, and going and going... He simply cannot help himself. A thread specifically about a newer model Ram, he just cannot resist the urge to troll. No factual experience to speak of, in fact he has to bring up issues with a previous model year truck that has nothing to do with the OP's question. Then he wonders why people get sick of him...
blofgren wrote:
Fish, what is the point of your post other than stirring the pot???? Just can't help yourself can you?
Fish, what is the point of your post other than stirring the pot???? Just can't help yourself can you?
He keeps going, and going and going... He simply cannot help himself. A thread specifically about a newer model Ram, he just cannot resist the urge to troll. No factual experience to speak of, in fact he has to bring up issues with a previous model year truck that has nothing to do with the OP's question. Then he wonders why people get sick of him...
And the Mafia keeps going and going.
FishOnOne wrote:
And the Mafia keeps going and going.
And the Mafia keeps going and going.
This was a Ram thread. No mention of other brands or bashing of other brands until someone stepped in with a Chevy comment. No "mafia" activity at all.
Or does even just discussing Ram qualify as "mafia" to you now, Fish?
FishOnOne wrote:
And the Mafia keeps going and going.
And the Mafia keeps going and going.
The irony is that I am NOT blindly brand loyal, unlike you. Remember when you used to trash my for driving a Tundra? Now you trash me for driving a Ram. You have problems with anyone that doesn't drive exactly what YOU drive. It is truly sad that your self worth is defined by the vehicle you drive and your anger is raised when anyone drives something that you don't.
Again I challenge you to look through ALL of my posts and find any instance where I just blindly rail against Ford (or any other manufacturer, for that matter). You won't find it, because I don't do that. You, on the other hand, have an affinity for knocking Rams. Whatever personal vendetta you have against Ram's is just kinda sad...
This is the thread title, thank you very much.
I managed to get out today to find the answer to my own question. I was able to drive 3 trucks back to back. My own '14 Ram 2500 Hemi with winter tires aired to 36psi, a '17 Ram 2500 6.7l @78psi, and a '17 3500 6.7l @76psi. The dealer wasn't able to drop the pressures for my test drives. (service bays were busy)
As I had figured, the ride was considerably different. After several concussions and some back problems I may be a bit more sensitive than others, hence the concern. I drove my truck to the dealer, then the 3500, followed by the other 2500. The exact same route for each.
The two 2500s had no real noticeable change in ride, even with the different tire pressures. If anything, the new diesel 2500 was slightly smoother Manhole covers, railway tracks and large bumps felt the similar in each truck, only slightly harsher as expected in the 3500.
The rest of the drive the 3500 was a different beast all together.
You could feel every little ripple in what appeared to be smooth roads. The truck would shudder and shake without even a crack visible in the road. The empty front seat rattled the whole way and the seatbelts would bang against the doors. By the end of the 15 minute test drive I had developed a mild headache and my back muscles had tensed up.
I expected a truck ride and am used to one, but I didn't expect to feel beat up. Maybe I'm just getting old. After driving the 2500 next my mind was made. Even for nearly identical prices I will be signing for the softer 2500.
Thanks for (most) everyone's input.
OP, I would recommend driving a new Ram 3500 SRW and see if the ride is that much worse than your 2500.
On edit I see that you did just that and posted while I was typing.
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camp-n-family wrote:
Now that we have separated the men from the boys based on what make they drive, maybe we can get back on topic.
I managed to get out today to find the answer to my own question. I was able to drive 3 trucks back to back. My own '14 Ram 2500 Hemi with winter tires aired to 36psi, a '17 Ram 2500 6.7l @78psi, and a '17 3500 6.7l @76psi. The dealer wasn't able to drop the pressures for my test drives. (service bays were busy)
As I had figured, the ride was considerably different. After several concussions and some back problems I may be a bit more sensitive than others, hence the concern. I drove my truck to the dealer, then the 3500, followed by the other 2500. The exact same route for each.
The two 2500s had no real noticeable change in ride, even with the different tire pressures. If anything, the new diesel 2500 was slightly smoother Manhole covers, railway tracks and large bumps felt the similar in each truck, only slightly harsher as expected in the 3500.
The rest of the drive the 3500 was a different beast all together.
You could feel every little ripple in what appeared to be smooth roads. The truck would shudder and shake without even a crack visible in the road. The empty front seat rattled the whole way and the seatbelts would bang against the doors. By the end of the 15 minute test drive I had developed a mild headache and my back muscles had tensed up.
I expected a truck ride and am used to one, but I didn't expect to feel beat up. Maybe I'm just getting old. After driving the 2500 next my mind was made. Even for nearly identical prices I will be signing for the softer 2500.
Thanks for (most) everyone's input.
Now that we have separated the men from the boys based on what make they drive, maybe we can get back on topic.
I managed to get out today to find the answer to my own question. I was able to drive 3 trucks back to back. My own '14 Ram 2500 Hemi with winter tires aired to 36psi, a '17 Ram 2500 6.7l @78psi, and a '17 3500 6.7l @76psi. The dealer wasn't able to drop the pressures for my test drives. (service bays were busy)
As I had figured, the ride was considerably different. After several concussions and some back problems I may be a bit more sensitive than others, hence the concern. I drove my truck to the dealer, then the 3500, followed by the other 2500. The exact same route for each.
The two 2500s had no real noticeable change in ride, even with the different tire pressures. If anything, the new diesel 2500 was slightly smoother Manhole covers, railway tracks and large bumps felt the similar in each truck, only slightly harsher as expected in the 3500.
The rest of the drive the 3500 was a different beast all together.
You could feel every little ripple in what appeared to be smooth roads. The truck would shudder and shake without even a crack visible in the road. The empty front seat rattled the whole way and the seatbelts would bang against the doors. By the end of the 15 minute test drive I had developed a mild headache and my back muscles had tensed up.
I expected a truck ride and am used to one, but I didn't expect to feel beat up. Maybe I'm just getting old. After driving the 2500 next my mind was made. Even for nearly identical prices I will be signing for the softer 2500.
Thanks for (most) everyone's input.
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
Whatchaupto wrote:
camp-n-family: why would you want to buy another Ram after your apparent dissatisfaction with your current Ram after four transmission rebuilds or replacements?
camp-n-family: why would you want to buy another Ram after your apparent dissatisfaction with your current Ram after four transmission rebuilds or replacements?
I keep asking myself that too. I am hesitant and hope that maybe I just got a lemon. Many people are happy and have had no issues. I guess everybody deserves a second chance.
As I mentioned, I had no intention of getting another truck right now but the deal is just too good to pass up. My current truck, with all its issues, runs out of warranty within the year. That scares me. It will need new brakes and tires too. They are offering just about what I paid for it (2 years ago) in trade (more if you count the tax savings). Add $20k off sticker and zero percent financing is enough for me to take another chance. If it gives me problems I have a warranty again for the next 3 years, which is enough time for the all new Tundra to come out (in 2020) and it should still be worth nearly enough for a
straight trade.
Me Again wrote:
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
camp-n-family wrote:
Now that we have separated the men from the boys based on what make they drive, maybe we can get back on topic.
I managed to get out today to find the answer to my own question. I was able to drive 3 trucks back to back. My own '14 Ram 2500 Hemi with winter tires aired to 36psi, a '17 Ram 2500 6.7l @78psi, and a '17 3500 6.7l @76psi. The dealer wasn't able to drop the pressures for my test drives. (service bays were busy)
As I had figured, the ride was considerably different. After several concussions and some back problems I may be a bit more sensitive than others, hence the concern. I drove my truck to the dealer, then the 3500, followed by the other 2500. The exact same route for each.
The two 2500s had no real noticeable change in ride, even with the different tire pressures. If anything, the new diesel 2500 was slightly smoother Manhole covers, railway tracks and large bumps felt the similar in each truck, only slightly harsher as expected in the 3500.
The rest of the drive the 3500 was a different beast all together.
You could feel every little ripple in what appeared to be smooth roads. The truck would shudder and shake without even a crack visible in the road. The empty front seat rattled the whole way and the seatbelts would bang against the doors. By the end of the 15 minute test drive I had developed a mild headache and my back muscles had tensed up.
I expected a truck ride and am used to one, but I didn't expect to feel beat up. Maybe I'm just getting old. After driving the 2500 next my mind was made. Even for nearly identical prices I will be signing for the softer 2500.
Thanks for (most) everyone's input.
Now that we have separated the men from the boys based on what make they drive, maybe we can get back on topic.
I managed to get out today to find the answer to my own question. I was able to drive 3 trucks back to back. My own '14 Ram 2500 Hemi with winter tires aired to 36psi, a '17 Ram 2500 6.7l @78psi, and a '17 3500 6.7l @76psi. The dealer wasn't able to drop the pressures for my test drives. (service bays were busy)
As I had figured, the ride was considerably different. After several concussions and some back problems I may be a bit more sensitive than others, hence the concern. I drove my truck to the dealer, then the 3500, followed by the other 2500. The exact same route for each.
The two 2500s had no real noticeable change in ride, even with the different tire pressures. If anything, the new diesel 2500 was slightly smoother Manhole covers, railway tracks and large bumps felt the similar in each truck, only slightly harsher as expected in the 3500.
The rest of the drive the 3500 was a different beast all together.
You could feel every little ripple in what appeared to be smooth roads. The truck would shudder and shake without even a crack visible in the road. The empty front seat rattled the whole way and the seatbelts would bang against the doors. By the end of the 15 minute test drive I had developed a mild headache and my back muscles had tensed up.
I expected a truck ride and am used to one, but I didn't expect to feel beat up. Maybe I'm just getting old. After driving the 2500 next my mind was made. Even for nearly identical prices I will be signing for the softer 2500.
Thanks for (most) everyone's input.
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
If it was rated to tow my trailer I'd be all over that. Great vehicle. Love my Hondas.
spoon059 wrote:
camp-n-family, maybe I missed it, but have you test driven either the 2500 or 3500 with factory air? It seems that either of those trucks would ride considerably better with an adjustable suspension that is aired down if you aren't hauling weight.
camp-n-family, maybe I missed it, but have you test driven either the 2500 or 3500 with factory air? It seems that either of those trucks would ride considerably better with an adjustable suspension that is aired down if you aren't hauling weight.
I have not as I have seen and heard of too many problems with the system, especially in cold climates. It is an expensive option that helps with towing ride but from what I have read, doesn't do much for the unloaded ride. Doesn't seem worth it.
camp-n-family wrote:
I have not as I have seen and heard of too many problems with the system, especially in cold climates. It is an expensive option that helps with towing ride but from what I have read, doesn't do much for the unloaded ride. Doesn't seem worth it.
I have not as I have seen and heard of too many problems with the system, especially in cold climates. It is an expensive option that helps with towing ride but from what I have read, doesn't do much for the unloaded ride. Doesn't seem worth it.
Gotcha. I didn't even test it because I couldn't afford it anyways. I love my 2500, I feel that it rides very well for a 3/4 ton truck. Unless I am on exceptionally rough roads, it rides very well. Good luck.
Me Again wrote:
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
camp-n-family wrote:
Now that we have separated the men from the boys based on what make they drive, maybe we can get back on topic.
I managed to get out today to find the answer to my own question. I was able to drive 3 trucks back to back. My own '14 Ram 2500 Hemi with winter tires aired to 36psi, a '17 Ram 2500 6.7l @78psi, and a '17 3500 6.7l @76psi. The dealer wasn't able to drop the pressures for my test drives. (service bays were busy)
As I had figured, the ride was considerably different. After several concussions and some back problems I may be a bit more sensitive than others, hence the concern. I drove my truck to the dealer, then the 3500, followed by the other 2500. The exact same route for each.
The two 2500s had no real noticeable change in ride, even with the different tire pressures. If anything, the new diesel 2500 was slightly smoother Manhole covers, railway tracks and large bumps felt the similar in each truck, only slightly harsher as expected in the 3500.
The rest of the drive the 3500 was a different beast all together.
You could feel every little ripple in what appeared to be smooth roads. The truck would shudder and shake without even a crack visible in the road. The empty front seat rattled the whole way and the seatbelts would bang against the doors. By the end of the 15 minute test drive I had developed a mild headache and my back muscles had tensed up.
I expected a truck ride and am used to one, but I didn't expect to feel beat up. Maybe I'm just getting old. After driving the 2500 next my mind was made. Even for nearly identical prices I will be signing for the softer 2500.
Thanks for (most) everyone's input.
Now that we have separated the men from the boys based on what make they drive, maybe we can get back on topic.
I managed to get out today to find the answer to my own question. I was able to drive 3 trucks back to back. My own '14 Ram 2500 Hemi with winter tires aired to 36psi, a '17 Ram 2500 6.7l @78psi, and a '17 3500 6.7l @76psi. The dealer wasn't able to drop the pressures for my test drives. (service bays were busy)
As I had figured, the ride was considerably different. After several concussions and some back problems I may be a bit more sensitive than others, hence the concern. I drove my truck to the dealer, then the 3500, followed by the other 2500. The exact same route for each.
The two 2500s had no real noticeable change in ride, even with the different tire pressures. If anything, the new diesel 2500 was slightly smoother Manhole covers, railway tracks and large bumps felt the similar in each truck, only slightly harsher as expected in the 3500.
The rest of the drive the 3500 was a different beast all together.
You could feel every little ripple in what appeared to be smooth roads. The truck would shudder and shake without even a crack visible in the road. The empty front seat rattled the whole way and the seatbelts would bang against the doors. By the end of the 15 minute test drive I had developed a mild headache and my back muscles had tensed up.
I expected a truck ride and am used to one, but I didn't expect to feel beat up. Maybe I'm just getting old. After driving the 2500 next my mind was made. Even for nearly identical prices I will be signing for the softer 2500.
Thanks for (most) everyone's input.
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
What value are you even trying to add with this post?
I can feel the ripples that are left in new asphalt by the rollers!!
I test drove a new Ram 3500 Tradesman Saturday and found it to be smother than my 2500! Passenger seat was occupied so didn't notice seat-belt rattle.
Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#
"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"
camp-n-family wrote:
Anybody using a Ram 3500 diesel that can shed some light on driving it as a daily driver? I have a 2500 hemi now that drives comfortably enough. As far as I know the only difference is the extra overload springs. They won't engage unless loaded so I'm assuming the unloaded ride should be similar as my current truck?
The dealers have been calling with trade offers which I usually ignore but the latest is an offer I'd be stupid to refuse. I was planning on another Ram 2500 as I don't need a 1 ton truck but when I price out the same truck in a 3500 series it is only $400 more. Seems crazy. What am I missing?
Anybody using a Ram 3500 diesel that can shed some light on driving it as a daily driver? I have a 2500 hemi now that drives comfortably enough. As far as I know the only difference is the extra overload springs. They won't engage unless loaded so I'm assuming the unloaded ride should be similar as my current truck?
The dealers have been calling with trade offers which I usually ignore but the latest is an offer I'd be stupid to refuse. I was planning on another Ram 2500 as I don't need a 1 ton truck but when I price out the same truck in a 3500 series it is only $400 more. Seems crazy. What am I missing?
Yep, drive my 3500 DRW all the time around town with no issues. I do try and get it out on the highway to kinda blow it out so to speak. I park out away from others, I still can go through most drive thrus without curbing tires, won't fit all the way in garage though so I park on the street and fold mirriors in which I do when I park elsewhere too. Driving a 3500 SRW shouldn't be much different from what your driving now. I've driven some SRW 2500s with gas motors and truly believe my 3500 CTD DRW rides much better!!
2015 Ram 3500/DRW/Aisin/auto/Max tow/4.10s,Cummins, stock Laramie Limited--Silver
Tequila Sunrise 2012 Ultra Classic Limited
2018 Raptor 428SP
IdaD wrote:
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
What value are you even trying to add with this post?
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
What value are you even trying to add with this post?
It was an attempt to point out that if one wants a truck to do real work there is a trade off!
We both love our 2015 SRW 3500 CC 4x4 SB. It rides a little ruff under some conditions. I resolved quite a bit of that with adjustable Rancho 9000 rear stocks on my 2001.5 and have always lower rear tire pressure when I wanted a better ride empty.
The new RAM have fairly good gas filled stocks and are calibrated for trucks that are designed for HD service, so they are not going to be very compliant under light loads.
I wanted a truck that could tow a large 5th wheel and cruise better on the freeway bob tail. I got it in the 2015 3500. This is a short section of Hwy 60 between Mesa and Apache Junction that causes a slight stutter for a mile or so. I can live with that for the capability the truck provides.
Dealers ALWAYS have the tire pressure screwed up on vehicles on their lots. With the 3500 I do not know why the OP did not just let some air out of the tires himself. I would have in his situation, I would have walked over to my truck and gotten my air gauge and set the pressure to what I want for the test drive.
Friday I am moving a friends trailer to storage and have to air the rears up, and will let them back down after I also move our trailer to a different lot in the park to have it next to our new park model for two to four weeks before we head back North.
Chris
* This post was edited 03/29/17 08:17am by Me Again *
Me Again wrote:
It was an attempt to point out that if one wants a truck to do real work there is a trade off!
I love may 2015 SRW 3500 CC 4x4 SB. It rides a little ruff under some conditions. I resolved quite a bit of that with Rancho 9000 rear stocks on my 2001.5 and have always lower rear tire pressure when I wanted a better ride empty.
I wanted a truck that could tow a large 5th wheel and cruise better on the freeway bob tail. I got it in the 2015 3500. This is a short section of Hwy 60 between Mesa and Apache Junction that causes a slight stutter for a mile or so. I can live with that for the capability the truck provides.
Dealers ALWAYS have the tire pressure screwed up on vehicles on their lots. With the 3500 I do not know why the OP did not just let some air out of the tires himself. I would have in his situation, I would have walked over to my truck and gotten my air gauge and set the pressure to what I want for the test drive.
Friday I am moving a friends trailer to storage and have to air the rears up, and will let them back down after I also move our trailer to a different lot in the park to have it next to our new park model for two to four weeks before we head back North.
Chris
IdaD wrote:
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
What value are you even trying to add with this post?
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
What value are you even trying to add with this post?
It was an attempt to point out that if one wants a truck to do real work there is a trade off!
I love may 2015 SRW 3500 CC 4x4 SB. It rides a little ruff under some conditions. I resolved quite a bit of that with Rancho 9000 rear stocks on my 2001.5 and have always lower rear tire pressure when I wanted a better ride empty.
I wanted a truck that could tow a large 5th wheel and cruise better on the freeway bob tail. I got it in the 2015 3500. This is a short section of Hwy 60 between Mesa and Apache Junction that causes a slight stutter for a mile or so. I can live with that for the capability the truck provides.
Dealers ALWAYS have the tire pressure screwed up on vehicles on their lots. With the 3500 I do not know why the OP did not just let some air out of the tires himself. I would have in his situation, I would have walked over to my truck and gotten my air gauge and set the pressure to what I want for the test drive.
Friday I am moving a friends trailer to storage and have to air the rears up, and will let them back down after I also move our trailer to a different lot in the park to have it next to our new park model for two to four weeks before we head back North.
Chris
Your truck is rated to carry a whopping 500 lbs more on the rear axle than the truck OP bought. Yay.
You ought to buy a DRW or better yet a MDT/HDT if you want to tie your masculinity into what you drive.
IdaD wrote:
Your truck is rated to carry a whopping 500 lbs more on the rear axle than the truck OP bought. Yay.
You ought to buy a DRW or better yet a MDT/HDT if you want to tie your masculinity into what you drive.
Your truck is rated to carry a whopping 500 lbs more on the rear axle than the truck OP bought. Yay.
You ought to buy a DRW or better yet a MDT/HDT if you want to tie your masculinity into what you drive.
Did I miss a post where OP said he bought a truck? On edit: I see he said he will be signing for a 2500. And yes we all know that you think your coil strung 2500 is just as capable as a 3500 SRW.
I thought the same about my 2001.5 2500 with the camper option, which just happen to have a similar rear spring pack to the 3500's that year. RAM has gone back and forth on several different rear leaf spring setups between the 2500 and 3500 SRW, until 2013/14 when the 2500 got a completely different rear with coils. Why did they not carry the coils over to the 3500 SRW?
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Dealers ALWAYS have the tire pressure screwed up on vehicles on their lots. With the 3500 I do not know why the OP did not just let some air out of the tires himself. I would have in his situation, I would have walked over to my truck and gotten my air gauge and set the pressure to what I want for the test drive.
Dealers ALWAYS have the tire pressure screwed up on vehicles on their lots. With the 3500 I do not know why the OP did not just let some air out of the tires himself. I would have in his situation, I would have walked over to my truck and gotten my air gauge and set the pressure to what I want for the test drive.
I would've but I was pressed for time that day and didn't have a gauge with me. Either way I was happier with the ride in the 2500 and signed the deal today. Thanks all for the input.
camp-n-family wrote:
I would've but I was pressed for time that day and didn't have a gauge with me. Either way I was happier with the ride in the 2500 and signed the deal today. Thanks all for the input.
Quote:
Dealers ALWAYS have the tire pressure screwed up on vehicles on their lots. With the 3500 I do not know why the OP did not just let some air out of the tires himself. I would have in his situation, I would have walked over to my truck and gotten my air gauge and set the pressure to what I want for the test drive.
Dealers ALWAYS have the tire pressure screwed up on vehicles on their lots. With the 3500 I do not know why the OP did not just let some air out of the tires himself. I would have in his situation, I would have walked over to my truck and gotten my air gauge and set the pressure to what I want for the test drive.
I would've but I was pressed for time that day and didn't have a gauge with me. Either way I was happier with the ride in the 2500 and signed the deal today. Thanks all for the input.
Great, you are the one that has to be happy with YOUR purchase!
Chris
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IdaD wrote:
Your truck is rated to carry a whopping 500 lbs more on the rear axle than the truck OP bought. Yay.
You ought to buy a DRW or better yet a MDT/HDT if you want to tie your masculinity into what you drive.
Me Again wrote:
It was an attempt to point out that if one wants a truck to do real work there is a trade off!
I love may 2015 SRW 3500 CC 4x4 SB. It rides a little ruff under some conditions. I resolved quite a bit of that with Rancho 9000 rear stocks on my 2001.5 and have always lower rear tire pressure when I wanted a better ride empty.
I wanted a truck that could tow a large 5th wheel and cruise better on the freeway bob tail. I got it in the 2015 3500. This is a short section of Hwy 60 between Mesa and Apache Junction that causes a slight stutter for a mile or so. I can live with that for the capability the truck provides.
Dealers ALWAYS have the tire pressure screwed up on vehicles on their lots. With the 3500 I do not know why the OP did not just let some air out of the tires himself. I would have in his situation, I would have walked over to my truck and gotten my air gauge and set the pressure to what I want for the test drive.
Friday I am moving a friends trailer to storage and have to air the rears up, and will let them back down after I also move our trailer to a different lot in the park to have it next to our new park model for two to four weeks before we head back North.
Chris
IdaD wrote:
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
What value are you even trying to add with this post?
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
What value are you even trying to add with this post?
It was an attempt to point out that if one wants a truck to do real work there is a trade off!
I love may 2015 SRW 3500 CC 4x4 SB. It rides a little ruff under some conditions. I resolved quite a bit of that with Rancho 9000 rear stocks on my 2001.5 and have always lower rear tire pressure when I wanted a better ride empty.
I wanted a truck that could tow a large 5th wheel and cruise better on the freeway bob tail. I got it in the 2015 3500. This is a short section of Hwy 60 between Mesa and Apache Junction that causes a slight stutter for a mile or so. I can live with that for the capability the truck provides.
Dealers ALWAYS have the tire pressure screwed up on vehicles on their lots. With the 3500 I do not know why the OP did not just let some air out of the tires himself. I would have in his situation, I would have walked over to my truck and gotten my air gauge and set the pressure to what I want for the test drive.
Friday I am moving a friends trailer to storage and have to air the rears up, and will let them back down after I also move our trailer to a different lot in the park to have it next to our new park model for two to four weeks before we head back North.
Chris
Your truck is rated to carry a whopping 500 lbs more on the rear axle than the truck OP bought. Yay.
You ought to buy a DRW or better yet a MDT/HDT if you want to tie your masculinity into what you drive.
I can tell by this comment that your still bitter you didn't get a 3500 and instead have to point out to others your envy. It's cool though. Maybe you'll get one next time!
Greene728 wrote:
I can tell by this comment that your still bitter you didn't get a 3500 and instead have to point out to others your envy. It's cool though. Maybe you'll get one next time!
IdaD wrote:
Your truck is rated to carry a whopping 500 lbs more on the rear axle than the truck OP bought. Yay.
You ought to buy a DRW or better yet a MDT/HDT if you want to tie your masculinity into what you drive.
Me Again wrote:
It was an attempt to point out that if one wants a truck to do real work there is a trade off!
I love may 2015 SRW 3500 CC 4x4 SB. It rides a little ruff under some conditions. I resolved quite a bit of that with Rancho 9000 rear stocks on my 2001.5 and have always lower rear tire pressure when I wanted a better ride empty.
I wanted a truck that could tow a large 5th wheel and cruise better on the freeway bob tail. I got it in the 2015 3500. This is a short section of Hwy 60 between Mesa and Apache Junction that causes a slight stutter for a mile or so. I can live with that for the capability the truck provides.
Dealers ALWAYS have the tire pressure screwed up on vehicles on their lots. With the 3500 I do not know why the OP did not just let some air out of the tires himself. I would have in his situation, I would have walked over to my truck and gotten my air gauge and set the pressure to what I want for the test drive.
Friday I am moving a friends trailer to storage and have to air the rears up, and will let them back down after I also move our trailer to a different lot in the park to have it next to our new park model for two to four weeks before we head back North.
Chris
IdaD wrote:
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
What value are you even trying to add with this post?
Honda is making the Ridgeline again. Maybe you should test drive it?
What value are you even trying to add with this post?
It was an attempt to point out that if one wants a truck to do real work there is a trade off!
I love may 2015 SRW 3500 CC 4x4 SB. It rides a little ruff under some conditions. I resolved quite a bit of that with Rancho 9000 rear stocks on my 2001.5 and have always lower rear tire pressure when I wanted a better ride empty.
I wanted a truck that could tow a large 5th wheel and cruise better on the freeway bob tail. I got it in the 2015 3500. This is a short section of Hwy 60 between Mesa and Apache Junction that causes a slight stutter for a mile or so. I can live with that for the capability the truck provides.
Dealers ALWAYS have the tire pressure screwed up on vehicles on their lots. With the 3500 I do not know why the OP did not just let some air out of the tires himself. I would have in his situation, I would have walked over to my truck and gotten my air gauge and set the pressure to what I want for the test drive.
Friday I am moving a friends trailer to storage and have to air the rears up, and will let them back down after I also move our trailer to a different lot in the park to have it next to our new park model for two to four weeks before we head back North.
Chris
Your truck is rated to carry a whopping 500 lbs more on the rear axle than the truck OP bought. Yay.
You ought to buy a DRW or better yet a MDT/HDT if you want to tie your masculinity into what you drive.
I can tell by this comment that your still bitter you didn't get a 3500 and instead have to point out to others your envy. It's cool though. Maybe you'll get one next time!
I'm not bitter in the least. It's just baffling how overblown the difference is with some on this board. I can't tell if it's willful or just plain ignorant. Probably some of both.
Every time you read one of these threads, think of the movie "Grumpy old men".
Don't worry, our turn is coming. I'm still 20 years away from collecting Social Securtiy and I can see it happening a little already......
IdaD wrote:
I'm not bitter in the least. It's just baffling how overblown the difference is with some on this board. I can't tell if it's willful or just plain ignorant. Probably some of both.
I'm not bitter in the least. It's just baffling how overblown the difference is with some on this board. I can't tell if it's willful or just plain ignorant. Probably some of both.
Again, if the coils are so effective at a good ride and load carrying why did RAM not use it on the 3500 SRW.
I have an answer that would apply for many. Lets see if you can come up with the same answer?
Chris
Me Again wrote:
Again, if the coils are so effective at a good ride and load carrying why did RAM not use it on the 3500 SRW.
I have an answer that would apply for many. Lets see if you can come up with the same answer?
Chris
Again, if the coils are so effective at a good ride and load carrying why did RAM not use it on the 3500 SRW.
I have an answer that would apply for many. Lets see if you can come up with the same answer?
Chris
I'm not advocating one side or the other here, just throwing this out there for you to consider Chris... Ram could EASILY make a coil spring that could hold that additional 500 lbs if they wanted too. Isn't it *possible* that Ram figured that there is a large segment of 1 ton truck buyers that simply wouldn't buy a 1 ton truck with coil springs simply because their last truck didn't have coil springs. Therefore, even though they could make coil springs rated to 7000 lbs, a decent segment of their market wouldn't buy it because they resist change?
Also, can someone educate me on the difference in suspension between the SRW and DRW 3500 trucks? I am not an expert and didn't spend much time looking under DRW trucks... but it appeared to me that the 3500 frame is identical between SRW and DRW, to include the suspension mounts. If that is the case (again, I'm not sure), then it would make economic sense to keep leaf springs on the SRW 3500 as well, so as to not have an additional frame.
Again... not taking sides, just throwing out suggestions.
Now, back off topic...
Me Again wrote:
Again, if the coils are so effective at a good ride and load carrying why did RAM not use it on the 3500 SRW.
I have an answer that would apply for many. Lets see if you can come up with the same answer?
Chris
IdaD wrote:
I'm not bitter in the least. It's just baffling how overblown the difference is with some on this board. I can't tell if it's willful or just plain ignorant. Probably some of both.
I'm not bitter in the least. It's just baffling how overblown the difference is with some on this board. I can't tell if it's willful or just plain ignorant. Probably some of both.
Again, if the coils are so effective at a good ride and load carrying why did RAM not use it on the 3500 SRW.
I have an answer that would apply for many. Lets see if you can come up with the same answer?
Chris
The coils give a better ride. Plain and simple, and they're rated correspondingly lower. A whopping 500 lbs lower. Probably not much more than an average rv.net wife. That's the stock versus stock difference. Do I think the Timbrens I put on my truck that are rated to carry 8600 lbs more than make up for that 500 lb lower stock rating? Yep. Again, if you want to tie what you drive to your own sense of masculinity you should have bought a dually or more and actually stepped up.
IdaD wrote:
The coils give a better ride. Plain and simple, and they're rated correspondingly lower. A whopping 500 lbs lower. Probably not much more than an average rv.net wife. That's the stock versus stock difference. Do I think the Timbrens I put on my truck that are rated to carry 8600 lbs more than make up for that 500 lb lower stock rating? Yep. Again, if you want to tie what you drive to your own sense of masculinity you should have bought a dually or more and actually stepped up.
Me Again wrote:
Again, if the coils are so effective at a good ride and load carrying why did RAM not use it on the 3500 SRW.
I have an answer that would apply for many. Lets see if you can come up with the same answer?
Chris
IdaD wrote:
I'm not bitter in the least. It's just baffling how overblown the difference is with some on this board. I can't tell if it's willful or just plain ignorant. Probably some of both.
I'm not bitter in the least. It's just baffling how overblown the difference is with some on this board. I can't tell if it's willful or just plain ignorant. Probably some of both.
Again, if the coils are so effective at a good ride and load carrying why did RAM not use it on the 3500 SRW.
I have an answer that would apply for many. Lets see if you can come up with the same answer?
Chris
The coils give a better ride. Plain and simple, and they're rated correspondingly lower. A whopping 500 lbs lower. Probably not much more than an average rv.net wife. That's the stock versus stock difference. Do I think the Timbrens I put on my truck that are rated to carry 8600 lbs more than make up for that 500 lb lower stock rating? Yep. Again, if you want to tie what you drive to your own sense of masculinity you should have bought a dually or more and actually stepped up.
Are you not the one CONSTANTLY trying too defend your 2500 to a 3500???
Again, envy much?
The vast, vast majority favor the 3500 to the 2500 towing. Especially 5th wheels.
Its OK you need a band aid to do what the 3500 does in stock form.
I don't need timbrens. Lol
spoon059 wrote:
I'm not advocating one side or the other here, just throwing this out there for you to consider Chris... Ram could EASILY make a coil spring that could hold that additional 500 lbs if they wanted too. Isn't it *possible* that Ram figured that there is a large segment of 1 ton truck buyers that simply wouldn't buy a 1 ton truck with coil springs simply because their last truck didn't have coil springs. Therefore, even though they could make coil springs rated to 7000 lbs, a decent segment of their market wouldn't buy it because they resist change?
Also, can someone educate me on the difference in suspension between the SRW and DRW 3500 trucks? I am not an expert and didn't spend much time looking under DRW trucks... but it appeared to me that the 3500 frame is identical between SRW and DRW, to include the suspension mounts. If that is the case (again, I'm not sure), then it would make economic sense to keep leaf springs on the SRW 3500 as well, so as to not have an additional frame.
Again... not taking sides, just throwing out suggestions.
Now, back off topic...
Me Again wrote:
Again, if the coils are so effective at a good ride and load carrying why did RAM not use it on the 3500 SRW.
I have an answer that would apply for many. Lets see if you can come up with the same answer?
Chris
Again, if the coils are so effective at a good ride and load carrying why did RAM not use it on the 3500 SRW.
I have an answer that would apply for many. Lets see if you can come up with the same answer?
Chris
I'm not advocating one side or the other here, just throwing this out there for you to consider Chris... Ram could EASILY make a coil spring that could hold that additional 500 lbs if they wanted too. Isn't it *possible* that Ram figured that there is a large segment of 1 ton truck buyers that simply wouldn't buy a 1 ton truck with coil springs simply because their last truck didn't have coil springs. Therefore, even though they could make coil springs rated to 7000 lbs, a decent segment of their market wouldn't buy it because they resist change?
Also, can someone educate me on the difference in suspension between the SRW and DRW 3500 trucks? I am not an expert and didn't spend much time looking under DRW trucks... but it appeared to me that the 3500 frame is identical between SRW and DRW, to include the suspension mounts. If that is the case (again, I'm not sure), then it would make economic sense to keep leaf springs on the SRW 3500 as well, so as to not have an additional frame.
Again... not taking sides, just throwing out suggestions.
Now, back off topic...
You have the winning answer. People would not buy a 3500 SRW with coils. Leaf are easy to add an additional one for DRW trucks. RAM has gone back and forth a lot on the leaf spring difference between the 2500 and 3500 SRW, and could easily switch the 2500 back to leaf in an upcoming model year.
Early 3500 SRW got additional overload leafs, I saw a few years ago before the coils that 2500 had more thin leafs than the 3500 SRW thicker leafs.
The new 2500 5th wheel pucks mount different also.
Then there is the warranty issue. What would RAM say if they new someone was running at 11,700 pounds on their SB 2500 or 12,300 on their LB 2500?
The question is not so much what you do if you already have a 2500, it is more like when buying a new truck, one should seriously look at the 3500 SRW if they are going to be over 10K on the truck, which is very easy to do. After towing for years with a 2500 at a ton over GVWR I did not look at or test drive one 2500 when we bought the 2015.
Also you then can get the Aisin tranny and more power.
Greene728 wrote:
Are you not the one CONSTANTLY trying too defend your 2500 to a 3500???
Again, envy much?
The vast, vast majority favor the 3500 to the 2500 towing. Especially 5th wheels.
Its OK you need a band aid to do what the 3500 does in stock form.
I don't need timbrens. Lol
IdaD wrote:
The coils give a better ride. Plain and simple, and they're rated correspondingly lower. A whopping 500 lbs lower. Probably not much more than an average rv.net wife. That's the stock versus stock difference. Do I think the Timbrens I put on my truck that are rated to carry 8600 lbs more than make up for that 500 lb lower stock rating? Yep. Again, if you want to tie what you drive to your own sense of masculinity you should have bought a dually or more and actually stepped up.
Me Again wrote:
Again, if the coils are so effective at a good ride and load carrying why did RAM not use it on the 3500 SRW.
I have an answer that would apply for many. Lets see if you can come up with the same answer?
Chris
IdaD wrote:
I'm not bitter in the least. It's just baffling how overblown the difference is with some on this board. I can't tell if it's willful or just plain ignorant. Probably some of both.
I'm not bitter in the least. It's just baffling how overblown the difference is with some on this board. I can't tell if it's willful or just plain ignorant. Probably some of both.
Again, if the coils are so effective at a good ride and load carrying why did RAM not use it on the 3500 SRW.
I have an answer that would apply for many. Lets see if you can come up with the same answer?
Chris
The coils give a better ride. Plain and simple, and they're rated correspondingly lower. A whopping 500 lbs lower. Probably not much more than an average rv.net wife. That's the stock versus stock difference. Do I think the Timbrens I put on my truck that are rated to carry 8600 lbs more than make up for that 500 lb lower stock rating? Yep. Again, if you want to tie what you drive to your own sense of masculinity you should have bought a dually or more and actually stepped up.
Are you not the one CONSTANTLY trying too defend your 2500 to a 3500???
Again, envy much?
The vast, vast majority favor the 3500 to the 2500 towing. Especially 5th wheels.
Its OK you need a band aid to do what the 3500 does in stock form.
I don't need timbrens. Lol
You need to leave rv.net and go out in the real world. And I don't envy a thing, I just take issue when folks on here repeatedly state falsehoods over and over and display that ^^ kind of attitude. I should just ignore it because it isn't important, but it irritates me.
The GVWR sticker is a warranty placard plus it allows the manufacturer to build/option to different Class standards (for example TPMS and commercial operator license requirements). Most States do not look at manufacturer GVWR and will ask the owner what GVWR or GCWR they wish register under.
Even though I now drive a Class 5, I don't make it a blanket statement that everyone else also should. I chose this size due to my payload requirements which most people towing would never utilize.
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
With the 3500's you can run the tire air pressure at what the load dictates instead of what the GovMent says!
With the 3500's you can run the tire air pressure at what the load dictates instead of what the GovMent says!
That right there is the justification I need, since the mfgs now made it much more difficult to adjust tpms settings.....and I pack a big fat truck camper that is better served sitting on leafs, only for the ease of multiple easy suspension upgrade options.
Without the tpms deal and the high CG load of a TC I would run a 2500 through anything you'd do with a 3500 unless I was hooked on having the Aisin trans. Same truck, different springs.
But I'm the guy that just hooked about a 12klb tag trailer to my 1500 Chevy! I only took the load like 10 miles though. Once the springs quit sagging, lol, the rest of it was good.
Some folks here need to grow up a bit.....