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Posted By: LetsRV on 02/22/17 08:58pm

Have a 30ft Class C on the Ford E450 chassis. It does have a spare tire carried under the coach.
While I do have road service available what if I have a flat and don't have cell phone coverage??

Now I'm thinking maybe a jack wouldn't be a bad idea.
Looks like I'll need something around 15,000 lbs.
Any suggestions??


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Posted By: Trackrig on 02/22/17 09:23pm

An 8 ton hydraulic jack with a screw top will work fine. Go to Sears, Napa, or so on.

Amazon 8-Ton jack $25.

You should have a few boards with you to block the tires and maybe for under the jack depending on how high up your jacking point is. You should be able to use the boards you use for leveling.

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Posted By: pnichols on 02/22/17 09:28pm

Here's the jack we carry in our Class C RV ... it retracts to a low height to fit under axles and spring mounts but also jacks high because of it's double ram: http://www.torinjacksusa.com/bigred/bigr......../item/12-ton-dual-stage-bottle-jack.html


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Posted By: IAMICHABOD on 02/22/17 09:33pm

I like a low profile one that I can get in a tight spot. MY Class C is fairly close to the ground One like this one fits the bill


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Posted By: CloudDriver on 02/22/17 09:42pm

I carry a 6 ton bottle jack and a torque wrench. With 105,000 miles on the clock have never needed either on the road. I do rotate front and spare tires in the driveway and found that the jack is needed to safely lower and raise the spare tire on its carrier. No way could I lift that weight by hand lying on my back under the rear.


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Posted By: DrewE on 02/22/17 11:04pm

In theory, the jack only needs to support half the axle weight (plus a bit of safety margin), so a six ton jack should be plenty. In practice it's nice to have some extra capacity as it makes jacking easier, particularly in the constrained space in which one needs to use it. I have an 8 or 12 ton bottle jack (I forget which offhand) with the screw extension on the ram and it serves the purpose just fine. I have needed to use it on the road, not for tire trouble but to free up a sticky brake caliper. I've used it more in my driveway for various maintenance needs.

The Ford manual describes where the jack points are.

You should also make sure you have the other necessary equipment: a lug wrench (I use a breaker bar and socket and extension for the back wheel), a set of wheel chocks, and perhaps a way to put air in the spare if it's not up to snuff. The wheel chocks are quite important, and doubly so if your parking brake is one of the drive shaft mounted ones as jacking one back corner off the ground renders that style of brake completely inoperative. I think the drive shaft brake was only used for a few years on the E series in the late 90's and early 2000's, but I might be wrong about that.






Posted By: Dusty R on 02/23/17 06:00am

We have a hydraulic jack that I added a remote pump to. It sure is nice to be able to be able to jack up a rear wheel kneeling beside out mh rather than laying under it.

Some where on the inter-net I found how to convert the jack.

Dusty


Posted By: Bionic Man on 02/23/17 07:18am

I wouldn't want to rely on roadside assistance for a tire change. My sister had two tread separations last year. The first one happened about 20 miles east of Denver, and she was on the side of the road for more than 4 hours waiting for service. And when the first guy came, he didn't have a jack adequate to change the tire.

She had a second tread separation on the next trip. Close to the same location as the first, and again was told it would be a "couple hours" before Good Sam could get someone out to her.

I changed that one myself.

So yes, I would get one of the jacks that is suggested here. And I would also get a large breaker bar for the lugs. I think changing her tire took me about 10 minutes. I had extra motivation due to the "excitement" of changing the tire street side on the interstate with cars and trucks flying by at 75 MPH. Which was still better than waiting hours for someone to help.


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Posted By: crasster on 02/23/17 08:25am

10 Ton Bottle Jack. Cheap and does the job. Also bring a 3ft breaker bar and a good quality socket that fits your lugs.


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Posted By: jungshin on 02/23/17 09:12am

i carry an 8 ton bottle jack breaker bar, cheater bar and tools to cahnge it if i need to.

i find the bottle jack works well for frame leveling with jack stands instead of using boards under the tires, less house shake when kids are rambuntious


Posted By: j-d on 02/23/17 09:17am

I agree with having your own Jack, Stand, Wrench, and Soft Ground Board on board. You can supply what ERS might be missing, let a good Samaritan help you, or worst case, tackle it yourself.

I have a short 10-ton that HF sold awhile ago, and it works. Would rather have the double-extending 12-ton noted above.

Drew's right that a six-ton, even a four-ton, CAN lift one corner of a 31-ft Class C. Problem is, the handle effort that would be easy standing next to the coach, is VERY difficult when you have to operate the jack "crawlin' on yer belly like a reptile." That's why I like the 12. Much bigger, say 20, and the jack gets heavy to place. And maybe too tall to get under the axle when the tires aren't aired up.


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Posted By: Hank85713 on 02/23/17 09:20am

As noted a 6t or better bottle jack with some short boards for placing it on are fine. As to the lug wrench, I got one of the electric ones from harbor freight and a set of wheel lug sockets. If you read the torques spec on the lug its 100+ lb/ft and it takes a bit to get there. A cheater pipe helps but............... I also carry a HF 1/2in drive torque wrench.

A small jack might be nice for the spare as you may need to have to raise the side to access the tire and to do that another jack could be required. I have only used mine to add tire extensions but the stuff worked. Also Camp WOrld sold/sells an extension for the spare which allows you to check the pressure WITHOUT having to crawl under the bus to do.

Just some thoughts.

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Posted By: Desert Captain on 02/23/17 10:14am

Something else to be considered while we discuss jacks...

Do you have a safety jack stand or are you willing to bet your life on the jack alone? I will not crawl under any vehicle that is lifted-supported by just a jack. If it fails and you are underneath the rig bad things are going to happen quickly.

While rare, jacks do fail, had a 6 ton model that jacked the coach up just fine and then immediately began to slip back down {a seal had dried out and was leaking hydraulic fluid}. My new jack is an 8 ton bottle style.

I also carry a small compressor, large lug wrench, tire repair kit, wooden blocks etc., essentially any and everything needed to safely change and or repair a tire. I'll call Coach Net but if they cannot get to me in 30 minutes or less, which often may be the case, I will change it myself and get out of the "Dead Zone" on the shoulder of the highway-interstate.

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Posted By: Nels&Connie on 02/23/17 10:17am

Check your spare, the one that came mounted under my RV was a D rated tire. The lugnuts are only 150lbs so they break loose easy with a long handle breaker bar. Ford rims are hubcentric, i have to use a big gear puller to get the outside duel off. (anti seize is your friend) the fronts are no problem.


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Posted By: pnichols on 02/23/17 10:45am

For a flat tire in one of the rear dual sets, it is possible to drive short distances very slowly to get off busy roads to a safe location for tire repair.

We once drove around 5 miles on the road shoulder with one rear tire flat to get to a place where the tire could be repaired. We drove very slowly and our Class C is only a 24 footer, with a loaded weight less than 12,000 lbs.. The Load Range E good tire in the dual set that we drove on in the rear went on to give many years of service, so it was not damaged by the few miles of serious over-loading.


Posted By: CloudDriver on 02/23/17 10:58am

Nels&Connie wrote:

Ford rims are hubcentric, i have to use a big gear puller to get the outside dual off. (anti seize is your friend) the fronts are no problem.

A few years ago when I wanted to replace the rear brake pads I discovered that no amount of prying or hammering would get the rims off the rear hub. As shown in the picture below, the rims are a tight fit to the hub so that they are centered. They had rusted together. The only way I could break them loose was to put the lug nuts back on finger tight, drop off the jack, let the RV roll forward a bit, then sharply apply the brakes. The lug holes are oversize for the lug bolts, so the rims could move slightly to break free from the rust.

After the brake job I put some caliper grease (I didn't have any anti-seize) on the hub in the hope that the rims won't get stuck again.

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Posted By: j-d on 02/23/17 11:42am

Nels&Connie wrote:

i have to use a big gear puller to get the outside duel off. (anti seize is your friend) the fronts are no problem.


There's a 9th hole in the wheel lug pattern, between two of the actual mounting holes. It's about 7/16". I tapped that wheel on all 7 of our wheels 1/2" fine thread, like boat trailer lug bolts. I can thread a lug bolt in one of the holes,and use a wrench to push the wheel off that rust. The rear wheels have to be installed with the two valves one stud hole off from directly opposite. Otherwise the lug will screw into the inner wheel instead of push on it.


Posted By: DrewE on 02/23/17 11:57am

Desert Captain wrote:

Something else to be considered while we discuss jacks...

Do you have a safety jack stand or are you willing to bet your life on the jack alone? I will not crawl under any vehicle that is lifted-supported by just a jack. If it fails and you are underneath the rig bad things are going to happen quickly.

While rare, jacks do fail, had a 6 ton model that jacked the coach up just fine and then immediately began to slip back down {a seal had dried out and was leaking hydraulic fluid}. My new jack is an 8 ton bottle style.


There's no need to crawl under the vehicle while it's supported by the jack when changing a tire, so jack stands are unnecessary for that particular case. Still, the advice to never do so is spot-on. At least my motorhome has sufficient clearance underneath for me to crawl around relatively easily without jacking it up. My Honda Fit is quite a different matter.

Lacking a jack stand, properly laid up cribbing is a viable alternative. (It's worth noting that many jack stand weight ratings are per pair. A set of six ton jack stands are usually rated at three tons apiece and would be marginal or insufficient for the back axle of many class C's.)


Posted By: Desert Captain on 02/23/17 01:25pm

DrewE wrote:

Desert Captain wrote:

Something else to be considered while we discuss jacks...

Do you have a safety jack stand or are you willing to bet your life on the jack alone? I will not crawl under any vehicle that is lifted-supported by just a jack. If it fails and you are underneath the rig bad things are going to happen quickly.

While rare, jacks do fail, had a 6 ton model that jacked the coach up just fine and then immediately began to slip back down {a seal had dried out and was leaking hydraulic fluid}. My new jack is an 8 ton bottle style.


There's no need to crawl under the vehicle while it's supported by the jack when changing a tire, so jack stands are unnecessary for that particular case. Still, the advice to never do so is spot-on. At least my motorhome has sufficient clearance underneath for me to crawl around relatively easily without jacking it up. My Honda Fit is quite a different matter.

Lacking a jack stand, properly laid up cribbing is a viable alternative. (It's worth noting that many jack stand weight ratings are per pair. A set of six ton jack stands are usually rated at three tons apiece and would be marginal or insufficient for the back axle of many class C's.)




You may not have to "crawl" per se to be exposed to disaster should a jack fail. Pulling that inner dually off you will probably be head and shoulders inside of the wheel well pulling, jerking and shaking the rig.... do yourself a favor and always use a jack stand {of the appropriate rating}.

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Posted By: pnichols on 02/23/17 02:48pm

I don't carry jack stands along, but I do carry wooden elevator steps and 2x6 wood pieces along for leveling at campsites. I can use these for a jack base or axle/spring-mount support on all kinds of sand, dirt, gravel, rutted, muddy, and slanted surfaces. Making multiple use of things helps with fitting eveything into the storage compartments.


Posted By: Dusty R on 02/23/17 03:51pm

Desert Captain wrote:

DrewE wrote:

Desert Captain wrote:

Something else to be considered while we discuss jacks...

Do you have a safety jack stand or are you willing to bet your life on the jack alone? I will not crawl under any vehicle that is lifted-supported by just a jack. If it fails and you are underneath the rig bad things are going to happen quickly.

While rare, jacks do fail, had a 6 ton model that jacked the coach up just fine and then immediately began to slip back down {a seal had dried out and was leaking hydraulic fluid}. My new jack is an 8 ton bottle style.


There's no need to crawl under the vehicle while it's supported by the jack when changing a tire, so jack stands are unnecessary for that particular case. Still, the advice to never do so is spot-on. At least my motorhome has sufficient clearance underneath for me to crawl around relatively easily without jacking it up. My Honda Fit is quite a different matter.

Lacking a jack stand, properly laid up cribbing is a viable alternative. (It's worth noting that many jack stand weight ratings are per pair. A set of six ton jack stands are usually rated at three tons apiece and would be marginal or insufficient for the back axle of many class C's.)




You may not have to "crawl" per se to be exposed to disaster should a jack fail. Pulling that inner dually off you will probably be head and shoulders inside of the wheel well pulling, jerking and shaking the rig.... do yourself a favor and always use a jack stand {of the appropriate rating}.

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That is why I added a remote hand pump to my hydraulic jack. I still have to crawl under to place the jack. But I'm out to the side when pumping the jack up.

Dusty


Posted By: TyroneandGladys on 02/23/17 05:00pm

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Posted By: Desert Captain on 02/23/17 06:53pm

"That is why I added a remote hand pump to my hydraulic jack. I still have to crawl under to place the jack. But I'm out to the side when pumping the jack up."

That is a good idea to be sure but you missed my point completely. When you are trying to wrestle/pull that inner dually off of the axle you will be head and shoulders up inside of the wheel well. If the jack fails at that point without a jack stand you are well and truly.... in a world of hurt. This has nothing to do with sliding the jack under the axle and pumping it up.

Hate to be the harbinger of doom and gloom but stuff happens... plan for the worst and hope for the best. Be safe out there.

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Posted By: j-d on 02/23/17 07:43pm

Only RV flat I've had was a left rear outer dual tire. Old 1983 E350 with coined wheels, so removing the outer also loosened the inner, as with most newer models. This was in the days "before I knew better" and I jacked it with the left rear leveling jack. The old coaches had a control lever for each corner, and I only raised the one jack. No damage from the jacking, but the fender trim was broken up. That old coach was nice, the spare was in a "Continental Kit" right in the middle of the bumper.


Posted By: ron.dittmer on 02/23/17 07:51pm

IAMICHABOD wrote:

I like a low profile one that I can get in a tight spot. MY Class C is fairly close to the ground One like this one fits the bill
If I ever have a good reason to replace my 6 ton bottle jack, I would get the one IAMICHABOD recommends.


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Posted By: Dusty R on 02/23/17 07:53pm

To get the wheel loose try loosen the lug nuts maybe one turn then drive your mh a few feet, that will loosen the wheel.


Posted By: Harvey51 on 02/23/17 07:59pm

All the jacks have small tops. I welded a jack stand top on the top of my bottle Jack, which makes me think it is less likely to slip off the rear axel or front jacking bar. I would prefer a jack with larger base and top.


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Posted By: Ed_Gee on 02/23/17 08:08pm

A lot of class C Motorhomes I have seen have leveling jacks that could easily pressed into service for tire repair. Doesn't yours?


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Posted By: F1bNorm on 02/23/17 10:51pm

Laying on the hot/wet/dirty ground was something I had not planned for, a light bulb lit and I grabbed the windshield shade as a ground cover. Made an uncomfortable job a little more pleasant.

Norm's 2 cents


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Posted By: DrewE on 02/24/17 12:14am

Ed_Gee wrote:

A lot of class C Motorhomes I have seen have leveling jacks that could easily pressed into service for tire repair. Doesn't yours?


A lot may have leveling jacks, but a lot more do not. Mine, at least, is one of the ones that do not. Given the weight of a set installed, I think I prefer having the payload for other uses.


Posted By: ericsmith32 on 02/24/17 04:36am

Got a low profile 12 ton from Harbor Freight last year. When there's another warm spell going to rotate the tires on the RV, that'll be it's yearly exercise. Whatever you have make you exercise it on occasion.


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Posted By: Travelin2 on 02/24/17 05:07am

ericsmith32 wrote:

Got a low profile 12 ton from Harbor Freight last year. When there's another warm spell going to rotate the tires on the RV, that'll be it's yearly exercise. Whatever you have make you exercise it on occasion.


I did the same. I agree with the "exercise" and I spray some light lube around the ram and the pump rod periodically to keep rust at bay. This jack fits under the axle fine with enough room for a plank under the jack for soft ground.


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Posted By: Rovin' Bones on 02/25/17 06:27pm

When I bought my used 24' Class C it had a 20-ton hydraulic bottle jack tucked into the storage area under the dinette bench. When I discovered it, I was like, "DAYUM!" Made me very happy to see that. [emoticon]


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Posted By: CharlesinGA on 02/25/17 08:59pm

Go on Ebay, find a Sprinter jack, they have a curved saddle on the top and are two stage, 6 ton (metric ton). If you have a Sprinter chassis MH you have a jack under the passengers feet. Pull up the mat, unlatch the plastic cover and there is a jack, lug wrench (too short to be of any use), and a screwdriver handle with a reversible Torx bit and a couple of other bits. If you have a 2500 single rear wheel with factory aluminum wheels, there will be a set of the proper lug BOLTS for the steel spare, as the longer lug BOLTS for the aluminum wheels, when used with the steel one, will go in far enough on the rear to destroy the parking brake shoes and hardware.

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Posted By: Baja Man on 02/26/17 04:57pm

I carry a Harbor Freight 20ton low profile bottle jack, 3/4 socket, extension, and breaker bar. I also carry a piece of steel pipe to go over 3/4 breaker bar for added leverage, several pieces of 2x6 boards for spacers, and what not.

It's a bi#$% pumping the jack when you are crawled under the rig!! Depending on your age and health....it can give you a heart attack or at the very least a hernia!! That's why I carry the 20ton as the craking effort is less than a lower rated jack.

I carry these items for the same reasons you are contemplating...lack of cell service or availability of tow truck service.

I just used these tools as I needed to remove the wheels to install new mudflaps....everything worked great!


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