Although I have no plans on getting rid of the Ford, Dodge has some pretty good incentives right now and this particular dually came up on my truck watch. It's hard to find duallys on dealer lots. Anyways, can anyone shed some light on this truck. You know... power, engine, payload, opinions, experience?
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You know... power, engine, payload, opinions, experience?
You know... power, engine, payload, opinions, experience?
The 6.4 gas engine is considered by Ram to be a medium duty truck gas engine, has 429 foot pounds of torque and 410 hp. Payloads for the dually can be upwards of 6-7000 pounds depending on options. I don't think you can go wrong with the 6.4 if you want a gas engine. In comparison the high output diesel puts out 900 foot pounds of torque when mated with the Aisin transmission.
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2015 Lance 865
you can go to the RAM body builders website pick your year and truck (17 is probably very close to 16 weights) than on left side you will see "camper guide" click on that. go down until you find your truck listed. (be sure to pick 3500, 2 or 4wd, match cab, bed length, engine, GVWR and seats. no field for SRW or dually, but that is already in GVWR field as SRW is less) I noticed they had a mistake and showed both 6.4 and 6.7 as diesel (3500's are 1/2 way down).
once you find your truck it will show you center of gravity info for truck campers. as well as "remaining cargo"
back on the main index screen, you can also click on the page that shows Base Weights/GCW/Payload/Trailer Tow
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towpro wrote:
wagonqueen,
you can go to the RAM body builders website pick your year and truck (17 is probably very close to 16 weights) than on left side you will see "camper guide" click on that. go down until you find your truck listed. (be sure to pick 3500, 2 or 4wd, match cab, bed length, engine, GVWR and seats. no field for SRW or dually, but that is already in GVWR field as SRW is less) I noticed they had a mistake and showed both 6.4 and 6.7 as diesel (3500's are 1/2 way down).
once you find your truck it will show you center of gravity info for truck campers. as well as "remaining cargo"
back on the main index screen, you can also click on the page that shows Base Weights/GCW/Payload/Trailer Tow
wagonqueen,
you can go to the RAM body builders website pick your year and truck (17 is probably very close to 16 weights) than on left side you will see "camper guide" click on that. go down until you find your truck listed. (be sure to pick 3500, 2 or 4wd, match cab, bed length, engine, GVWR and seats. no field for SRW or dually, but that is already in GVWR field as SRW is less) I noticed they had a mistake and showed both 6.4 and 6.7 as diesel (3500's are 1/2 way down).
once you find your truck it will show you center of gravity info for truck campers. as well as "remaining cargo"
back on the main index screen, you can also click on the page that shows Base Weights/GCW/Payload/Trailer Tow
Very helpful. Thanks!!
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Ram 6.4 with camper Review TC Magazine
Ram 6.4 with camper Review TC Magazine
I found the review by TCM to be a little disappointing. Nobody purchases a gas engine for the fuel mileage. It just won't happen when towing or hauling heavy. And the magazine chose not to opt for the 4.10 axles that give both a better chance for the cylinder deactivation to work and adds 1000 pounds to the GVWR, thus increasing available payload that is something the magazine is almost anal about never exceeding. I seriously doubt the 4.10 axles would give any less gas mileage and maybe even better mileage when towing or hauling. Yesteryear the 4.10 axles would yield less fuel mileage than 3.73s but with todays transmissions it is not that big a difference, if any.
Exactely what I wanted to read.
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I choose the 3.73s figuring I would be in 5th with the camper on board, but actually find if I run 64mph on the interstate, the truck loves 6th gear and doesn't seem bogged down.
My father has the 6.7 diesel in his DRW version of my truck and it seems to be getting about the same mileage regardless whether he is towing a 15,000# FW or his 5,000# TC.
The only thing I miss is the exhaust brake, but I've never come close to overheating the brakes even coming down long steep twisting bake roads off the BRP.
My last Dodge truck was a 2004 CTD which I sold with 180k miles after basically trouble free miles.
In regards to the warranty, I think the warranty on the gas engine dropped to 60,000 miles.
2015 Ram 3500 4x4 Crew Cab SRW 6.4 Hemi LB 3.73 (12.4 hand calc avg mpg after 92,000 miles with camper)
2004 Lance 815 (prev: 2004 FW 35'; 1994 TT 30'; Tents)
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I am looking at this Ram at $32,000 out the door.
I am looking at this Ram at $32,000 out the door.
If you want to get some good baseline prices on the truck you want check the websites for Dennis Dillion and Dave Smith. Then you can go to your local dealer and negotiate.
jmtandem wrote:
If you want to get some good baseline prices on the truck you want check the websites for Dennis Dillion and Dave Smith. Then you can go to your local dealer and negotiate.
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I am looking at this Ram at $32,000 out the door.
I am looking at this Ram at $32,000 out the door.
If you want to get some good baseline prices on the truck you want check the websites for Dennis Dillion and Dave Smith. Then you can go to your local dealer and negotiate.
Always good to get an idea of costs, but hard to compare apples to apples when one has a trade in.
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KD4UPL wrote:
But, if I were picking a new HD truck with a gas engine I think the RAM 6.4 would be the one to get. Particularly since you can get that engine with the Aisin transmission which adds PTO capability along with MD toughness.
But, if I were picking a new HD truck with a gas engine I think the RAM 6.4 would be the one to get. Particularly since you can get that engine with the Aisin transmission which adds PTO capability along with MD toughness.
I respectfully disagree with this statement. According to the 2016 RAM 2500/3500 brochure "The 5.7 HEMI V8 and the 6.4 liter HEMI V8 are mated to the long-proven 66RFE 6-speed automatic ". I don't believe that the AISIN trans is available with the gas engines in the 2500/3500 trucks but that combo may be available on the 4500/5500 gas engined trucks.
I believe that the OP is referring to test driving the 3500 series dually.
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I know that doesn't help one bit. LOL
If I was going to buy a new truck today I would sit in and drive all 3 and then I would buy the one that's the most comfortable for me to sit in and drive.
How much difference does a few horse power of a few hundred pound cargo weight really make anyway??
When I bought my Chevy that's what I did. Never compared the specs until after I bought it.
The Chevy had the least hp (20 less than Ford and can't remember how many less than the Dodge), it got the best gas mileage, has heaviest payload and a highest resale value and was and it is hands down ergonomically the best to me out of the three.
In just over 3 1/2 years I've put over 100,000 miles on it and replace 3 light bulbs. Other than maint that's it.
I've been a die hard Ford man my entire life but I do love this Chevy PU.
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Troutguy wrote:
I respectfully disagree with this statement. According to the 2016 RAM 2500/3500 brochure "The 5.7 HEMI V8 and the 6.4 liter HEMI V8 are mated to the long-proven 66RFE 6-speed automatic ". I don't believe that the AISIN trans is available with the gas engines in the 2500/3500 trucks but that combo may be available on the 4500/5500 gas engined trucks.
I believe that the OP is referring to test driving the 3500 series dually.
I respectfully disagree with this statement. According to the 2016 RAM 2500/3500 brochure "The 5.7 HEMI V8 and the 6.4 liter HEMI V8 are mated to the long-proven 66RFE 6-speed automatic ". I don't believe that the AISIN trans is available with the gas engines in the 2500/3500 trucks but that combo may be available on the 4500/5500 gas engined trucks.
I believe that the OP is referring to test driving the 3500 series dually.
I agree.
using online ramtrucks.com site, I was able to outfit the 3500 with 6.4HD gas engine, and 4:10 gears, in both SRW and Dually, but the only trans choice is the 66RFE. any other trans forces the diesel engine option.
there are a lot of these 6.4's out there, all using the 66RFE trans. there should be a track record that can be viewed on the internet sites.
The 6.4 in certain situations when engine braking adjust the valve timing to provide additional engine braking. When it engages, it is very noticeable. Just wish the Ram engineers took advantage of this feature more agressively as it is a great benefit.
It went into production last week and should make it to CA in about 3 weeks.
I know buying from the lot has some thrill, but even there is good number of duallies in 1 hr driving radius, I could not find the truck I like.
I want RWD Supercab with electric heat, 360' trailer cameras (those look very impressive on site).
Deleting opitions I don't want kept the truck price low and most of the dealers would sell the truck to me for invoice price, what is about 4 grands below MSRP.
The normal Ford's incentives still apply.
I am not married to Ford, but finding Dodge dually with long bed was huge hassle as well.
This time with my 2015, I had checked the sites and already knew the deal I expected.
As I was standing in dealers lot looking at the truck, I tried www.truecar.com. internet sales person called me while I was still standing there, the price she offered beat my expectations. I took it home the next day.
MSRP $58,150, out the door for around $42K with tax. but it was late July when new trucks are about to hit the lots.
towpro wrote:
I already know how to look up invoice and dealer costs, etc and have always dealt with the truck fleet salesman. the truck I bought in 06, after working my best deal, I ended up getting a chance to get it through the friends and family program (someone I met on internet worked at factory and gave me of his several per year he was allowed to use.) It was only like $200 better than the deal I had already worked out, but 2 bills is 2 bills.
This time with my 2015, I had checked the sites and already knew the deal I expected.
As I was standing in dealers lot looking at the truck, I tried www.truecar.com. internet sales person called me while I was still standing there, the price she offered beat my expectations. I took it home the next day.
MSRP $58,150, out the door for around $42K with tax. but it was late July when new trucks are about to hit the lots.
I already know how to look up invoice and dealer costs, etc and have always dealt with the truck fleet salesman. the truck I bought in 06, after working my best deal, I ended up getting a chance to get it through the friends and family program (someone I met on internet worked at factory and gave me of his several per year he was allowed to use.) It was only like $200 better than the deal I had already worked out, but 2 bills is 2 bills.
This time with my 2015, I had checked the sites and already knew the deal I expected.
As I was standing in dealers lot looking at the truck, I tried www.truecar.com. internet sales person called me while I was still standing there, the price she offered beat my expectations. I took it home the next day.
MSRP $58,150, out the door for around $42K with tax. but it was late July when new trucks are about to hit the lots.
That was a GREAT deal. Wow.
I did buy the Ram last night. I wanted a gasser. Around here, the 3500 is hard to find in a gasser already on the lot. MSRP was $ 48, got it for $39, but they gave me a great trade on my 2014 Tahoe, on which my kids racked up the mileage to 74,000 in only 3 years. High miles on a 3 year old car. Needless to say, now that I have the new truck they have been assigned the 99 Ford for the remainder of their driving years here in this household.
Wagonqueen Truckster wrote:
Needless to say, now that I have the new truck they have been assigned the 99 Ford for the remainder of their driving years here in this household.
Needless to say, now that I have the new truck they have been assigned the 99 Ford for the remainder of their driving years here in this household.
congratulation on the new truck. What level did you buy? tradesman?
you "gave" your kids a pickup with a v10 to drive? are they male? how old are they? better start buying back tires now
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towpro wrote:
congratulation on the new truck. What level did you buy? tradesman?
you "gave" your kids a pickup with a v10 to drive? are they male? how old are they? better start buying back tires now.
Wagonqueen Truckster wrote:
Needless to say, now that I have the new truck they have been assigned the 99 Ford for the remainder of their driving years here in this household.
Needless to say, now that I have the new truck they have been assigned the 99 Ford for the remainder of their driving years here in this household.
congratulation on the new truck. What level did you buy? tradesman?
you "gave" your kids a pickup with a v10 to drive? are they male? how old are they? better start buying back tires now
.Hahahaha. The 2 in question are 16 and 17, but the 4 other children, who are now either married or in college, played in part the destruction of many many Vans, SUVs and a Trucks. And when you have a family of eight, BIG vehicles are the norm. They all learned to drive and test in either a Suburban 2500 or a V 10 truck. Girls and Boys. Actually the girls can parallel pArk a dually in downtown Pittsburgh without batting an eyelash. Although one of them did total out my favorite truck. My Ford 350 Triton V 10 short bed. I miss that one. LOL.
mkasner wrote:
48k miles on our 2014 RAM 3500 6.4L. Hauls our Lance 861 4k pounds wet around just fine. Living in a mountain and ski town do I wish I had the cummins? Absolutely. If you live on the east coast go with the 6.4L
48k miles on our 2014 RAM 3500 6.4L. Hauls our Lance 861 4k pounds wet around just fine. Living in a mountain and ski town do I wish I had the cummins? Absolutely. If you live on the east coast go with the 6.4L
That's awesome. I am pretty sure my camper is around 3200. With vintage (76 Amerigo) it's always difficult to say exactely how much they weigh without taking them in for an actual reading. Back in the day, they advertised them as 2700 lbs, but that seems way under reality for such a huge camper.
jmtandem wrote:
I seriously doubt the 4.10 axles would give any less gas mileage and maybe even better mileage when towing or hauling. Yesteryear the 4.10 axles would yield less fuel mileage than 3.73s but with todays transmissions it is not that big a difference, if any.
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Ram 6.4 with camper Review TC Magazine
Ram 6.4 with camper Review TC Magazine
I seriously doubt the 4.10 axles would give any less gas mileage and maybe even better mileage when towing or hauling. Yesteryear the 4.10 axles would yield less fuel mileage than 3.73s but with todays transmissions it is not that big a difference, if any.
I disagree, I have Two Ram 3500's one is 13 Mega Cab and the 16 Long bed. The 16 gives much better mileage due to the gearing.
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I disagree, I have Two Ram 3500's one is 13 Mega Cab and the 16 Long bed. The 16 gives much better mileage due to the gearing.
I disagree, I have Two Ram 3500's one is 13 Mega Cab and the 16 Long bed. The 16 gives much better mileage due to the gearing.
This is a little sparce in information. What are the axle ratios, engine type, tire size, weight of trucks, transmissions, and what were you towing/hauling to come to the conclusions you have asserted?
My comment was/is related to the 6.4 engine with cylinder deactivation and otherwise the same year and same exact truck except for the difference between 3.73 and 4.10 axle ratios. It appears you are comparing differing years, differing trucks, and possibly driving the diesel engine that I was not referring to.
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Again, same exact truck. One is long bed with 3.73 gears and the other is Mega cab with 4.10 gears. 3.73 gets better mpg when driving.
Again, same exact truck. One is long bed with 3.73 gears and the other is Mega cab with 4.10 gears. 3.73 gets better mpg when driving.
My comment stands as this is a thread about the 6.4 engine and so was/is the TCM magazine article. The specific issue is cylinder deactivation. The diesels (that you have) do not utilize cylinder deactivation under light loads. With the 6.4 and 4.10 axles the cylinder deactivation can occur more often than with the 3.73 axles under a load tending to lessen any gas mileage difference between the two axles.
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Wagonqueen Truckster wrote:
My Ford is fast approaching 20 years old.
My Ford is fast approaching 20 years old.
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jmtandem wrote:
My comment stands as this is a thread about the 6.4 engine and so was/is the TCM magazine article. The specific issue is cylinder deactivation. The diesels (that you have) do not utilize cylinder deactivation under light loads. With the 6.4 and 4.10 axles the cylinder deactivation can occur more often than with the 3.73 axles under a load tending to lessen any gas mileage difference between the two axles.
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Again, same exact truck. One is long bed with 3.73 gears and the other is Mega cab with 4.10 gears. 3.73 gets better mpg when driving.
Again, same exact truck. One is long bed with 3.73 gears and the other is Mega cab with 4.10 gears. 3.73 gets better mpg when driving.
My comment stands as this is a thread about the 6.4 engine and so was/is the TCM magazine article. The specific issue is cylinder deactivation. The diesels (that you have) do not utilize cylinder deactivation under light loads. With the 6.4 and 4.10 axles the cylinder deactivation can occur more often than with the 3.73 axles under a load tending to lessen any gas mileage difference between the two axles.
JMTANDEM is correct. This thread is about RAM 6.4 HEMI gas/3500 dually trucks not diesels or other brands. I would like to see comments from owners or others that have driven these particular trucks. Even though I consider myself a GM guy I am interested in the RAM 6.4 gas dually.