Getting ready to retire.
Currently own a 99 F550 with a 7.3 and 4.88 rearend.
11 foot TC and 20 foot open trailer.
This set up has served me well for a number of years. But needs are changing.
Toy Hauler needs to haul my 2008 Rhino as well as my 76 Bronco and 94Lightning drag truck. Only one at a time.
Once retired long trips From Phoenix up west coast to Washington as well as trip back to Michigan. Shorter trips to the mountains in AZ.
Need a min of a 16.5' Garage. Length of the f150 race truck. Living quarters for comfort of my granddaughters while at the track. Also room for myself and 2 125 lb Malamutes.
My thoughts on Toy Haulers. Looking at a 2010 42 foot Work and Play.
Interested in thoughts on Haulers that size. And any brands you can suggest that can handle a full size 4000lb truck.
Sorry for being so wordy but wanted to give enough info to give you some background.
thanks
Mike
One thing about Work & Play is their height off the ground. I think they're lower than others so watch out with a 40' hauler. If you stay on-road, no big deal. But our races were in some rough areas and we had to be very careful not to drag our tail. I had rollers welded underneath the rear just in case.
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Toys:
- 18 Can Am Maverick x3
- 05 Yamaha WR450
- 07 Honda CRF250X
- 05 Honda CRF230
- 06 Honda CRF230
dedmiston wrote:
How wide is the F150?
How wide is the F150?
With drag radials or slicks it fits between the wheel wells of my 84"wide Dove tail I assume no more than 80 " in the rear 70 upfront.
lawnspecialties wrote:
On the east coast, the Work & Play is probably the only brand that can handle such a load unless you buy a full blown race trailer. We had a 30WRS Work & Play for a year and a half for our ATV races and it was a great camper built much tougher than most others. But I suspect the west coast has more choices.
One thing about Work & Play is their height off the ground. I think they're lower than others so watch out with a 40' hauler. If you stay on-road, no big deal. But our races were in some rough areas and we had to be very careful not to drag our tail. I had rollers welded underneath the rear just in case.
On the east coast, the Work & Play is probably the only brand that can handle such a load unless you buy a full blown race trailer. We had a 30WRS Work & Play for a year and a half for our ATV races and it was a great camper built much tougher than most others. But I suspect the west coast has more choices.
One thing about Work & Play is their height off the ground. I think they're lower than others so watch out with a 40' hauler. If you stay on-road, no big deal. But our races were in some rough areas and we had to be very careful not to drag our tail. I had rollers welded underneath the rear just in case.
Will always be on road. Sometimes dirt road but nothing I would consider "off Road". I have a Rhino and 76 Bronco for that. My racing is at a drag strip so lots of paved flat surface to park in.
dedmiston wrote:
Not that it has any bearing on this, but could we please see some pictures of the F150?
Not that it has any bearing on this, but could we please see some pictures of the F150?
Thought you would never ask :{)
Race Truck
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New Race motor should be done next Month. 430 CI man o war block. If we push boost of over 30PSI 1200 HP.
And the Bronco
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You can order these with added height and heavier weight ratings. I have seen many 40' goosenecks pass through a lot of owners due to the length. You may want think about where you want take this combination and whether you will fit.
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Bedlam wrote:
The two issues I see with conventional toy haulers is weight capacity and door height. Check out the car haulers with living quarters: Carson, Millennium, Feather Lite, InTech, ...
You can order these with added height and heavier weight ratings. I have seen many 40' goosenecks pass through a lot of owners due to the length. You may want think about where you want take this combination and whether you will fit.
The two issues I see with conventional toy haulers is weight capacity and door height. Check out the car haulers with living quarters: Carson, Millennium, Feather Lite, InTech, ...
You can order these with added height and heavier weight ratings. I have seen many 40' goosenecks pass through a lot of owners due to the length. You may want think about where you want take this combination and whether you will fit.
Agreed on weight, I owned a 37 race trailer years ago. Fine for taking to the track but a bit Spartan for retirement travel. The work and play in the 42 ft range seemed to be a bit nicer.
Just to be clear not thinking of a standard toy hauler but the Work and play should do the trick. I need a 16 to 17 foot garage Min for the Lightning. Hauling the Bronco length is no issue and when just the Rhino really no problem.
Thanks for the Carson, Millennium, Feather Lite, InTech,suggestion. I'll do a little research on them. A site called racingjunk.com has a number of race trailers with living qtrs. listed.
I hear ya on the 40ft and over trailers passing through a number of owners. My 37 footer was great when going across country to race and spending a week or more but was a PITA to load and haul for a night of racing.
Now that I'm going to be retired I see mostly week or more trips to the mountain's to play with either the Rhino or Bronco or cross country trips.
thanks again.
lightning driver wrote:
Thought you would never ask :{)
dedmiston wrote:
Not that it has any bearing on this, but could we please see some pictures of the F150?
Not that it has any bearing on this, but could we please see some pictures of the F150?
Thought you would never ask :{)
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.
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Another option, a little redneck, but you just need a gooseneck and you can select the length or do a short 5th wheel on top with axles removed if you want more room than the TC.
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2BLAZERS wrote:
Another option, a little redneck, but you just need a gooseneck and you can select the length or do a short 5th wheel on top with axles removed if you want more room than the TC.
Another option, a little redneck, but you just need a gooseneck and you can select the length or do a short 5th wheel on top with axles removed if you want more room than the TC.
I'm towing with a cab over and open car hauler now and looking for something enclosed for the longer trips to keep the toys protected from elements and dirt bags
Bring it on. Nothing like real world experiences.
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coolbreeze01 wrote:
Get a Motel.
Get a Motel.
And how do I keep my grand daughters comfortable during a weekend at the track? Or haul my Bronco covered to a classic bronco get together.
Motel just does not fit my needs.
But thanks for your informed input.
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Y-Guy wrote:
We had a 39' Raptor for the most part could get into most of the sites I wanted to, but a few places were no go. Only used the 50amp a few times, I left that beast of a cord in the storage bay and picked up a 25' 30amp cord to drag around. Very few State Parks have (had) 50am service back in 2005.
We had a 39' Raptor for the most part could get into most of the sites I wanted to, but a few places were no go. Only used the 50amp a few times, I left that beast of a cord in the storage bay and picked up a 25' 30amp cord to drag around. Very few State Parks have (had) 50am service back in 2005.
Good info thanks
lightning driver wrote:
So where are all the owners of 40 footers? Hoping to hear your experiences. Trouble finding sites with pull through and 50 AMP. Pro's and cons. I will need a min of 16.5 ft garage which puts me in the 39 to 42 foot range.
Bring it on. Nothing like real world experiences.
So where are all the owners of 40 footers? Hoping to hear your experiences. Trouble finding sites with pull through and 50 AMP. Pro's and cons. I will need a min of 16.5 ft garage which puts me in the 39 to 42 foot range.
Bring it on. Nothing like real world experiences.
Ours is 44.5'. Spaces are more limited for this length, so we have to book reservations further in advance. I'm not used to having to plan our trips so far in the future. Boondock trips to the desert are fine though.
I think ALL of our sites have been back-in so far. I think we might have had one pull-through. It's not that big of a deal to back in though. You can do it.
dedmiston wrote:
Ours is 44.5'. Spaces are more limited for this length, so we have to book reservations further in advance. I'm not used to having to plan our trips so far in the future. Boondock trips to the desert are fine though.
I think ALL of our sites have been back-in so far. I think we might have had one pull-through. It's not that big of a deal to back in though. You can do it.
lightning driver wrote:
So where are all the owners of 40 footers? Hoping to hear your experiences. Trouble finding sites with pull through and 50 AMP. Pro's and cons. I will need a min of 16.5 ft garage which puts me in the 39 to 42 foot range.
Bring it on. Nothing like real world experiences.
So where are all the owners of 40 footers? Hoping to hear your experiences. Trouble finding sites with pull through and 50 AMP. Pro's and cons. I will need a min of 16.5 ft garage which puts me in the 39 to 42 foot range.
Bring it on. Nothing like real world experiences.
Ours is 44.5'. Spaces are more limited for this length, so we have to book reservations further in advance. I'm not used to having to plan our trips so far in the future. Boondock trips to the desert are fine though.
I think ALL of our sites have been back-in so far. I think we might have had one pull-through. It's not that big of a deal to back in though. You can do it.
Thanks for the input. Not afraid to back it in but on a trip home from Wachington in July I found backing in my 20 ft flatbed behind my cab over the power cord didn't reach the box. Happened in Wash once and Oregon once.
I'm with you planning is not one of my strong points. However once retired I may have time to do a bit of planning :{)
lightning driver wrote:
I'm with you planning is not one of my strong points. However once retired I may have time to do a bit of planning :{)
I'm with you planning is not one of my strong points. However once retired I may have time to do a bit of planning :{)
Maybe I could hire you as my booking agent someday.
lightning driver wrote:
Thanks for the input. Not afraid to back it in but on a trip home from Wachington in July I found backing in my 20 ft flatbed behind my cab over the power cord didn't reach the box. Happened in Wash once and Oregon once.
I'm with you planning is not one of my strong points. However once retired I may have time to do a bit of planning :{)
Thanks for the input. Not afraid to back it in but on a trip home from Wachington in July I found backing in my 20 ft flatbed behind my cab over the power cord didn't reach the box. Happened in Wash once and Oregon once.
I'm with you planning is not one of my strong points. However once retired I may have time to do a bit of planning :{)
I carry 30' of hoses and power cords since my utilities are mid ship of my 47' overall length. Sometimes, I will nose into a back in spot so the trailer ramp faces out to the roadway which makes toy access easier but blocks the truck in. In these cases, all the lines are run under the truck or between the truck and camper to reach the utilities on the other side.
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My rail is 2800lbs and I have put 2 quads in there also, 400 lbs each, so 3600lbs. My trailer hauls it with no problems.
I have 84" between the wheel wells. If your truck is wider than that, it won't fit.
I don't camp in camp grounds, so not sure about the 50Amp service along with length needs.
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lightning driver wrote:
So where are all the owners of 40 footers? Hoping to hear your experiences. Trouble finding sites with pull through and 50 AMP. Pro's and cons. I will need a min of 16.5 ft garage which puts me in the 39 to 42 foot range.
Bring it on. Nothing like real world experiences.
So where are all the owners of 40 footers? Hoping to hear your experiences. Trouble finding sites with pull through and 50 AMP. Pro's and cons. I will need a min of 16.5 ft garage which puts me in the 39 to 42 foot range.
Bring it on. Nothing like real world experiences.
Ours is just over 43', but with a 12'4" garage. I can at least speak to the length and power issues.
Back in sites are mostly pretty easy unless the street is really narrow or someone is parked on the street across from your site. I prefer pull-through sites, or at least an angled site if I can get them. They are not too hard to find but you may need to plan ahead a little more than someone with a shorter rig.
Our long-term site was straight and just barely long enough for us. We recently got a longer, angled site that's much easier to get in and out of.
Worst case for power - our 385TH came with a 36' 50A cord. That was enough until our latest site where the power is way at the back. I needed to get a 15' 50A extension. So far that's been sufficient. We haven't had too much of an issue finding 50A service, and we have an on-board generator for boondocking.
Sewer, you may have some long runs. I found that Valterra Viper hoses tend to stand up well. I have a 15', a 10' and another 10' (we have two sewer outlets, so I also carry a Valterra Y connector in case there is only one sewer connection at the site).
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However still in the market for a LARGE toy hauler.
76Bronco is now up in Washington with Oldest son a Ford Master Tech. Engine rebuild and up for sale. Race truck headed to same location in Dec. Not for sale. Leaving the 20 ft open car hauler with him. I can now expand my search to standard toy haulers with normal sized garages.
So looking for opinions on 38 to 42 ft TH's. Will need to haul my Long Travel Rhino and 2 big ass Malamutes around. Would like a seperate garage.
I really appreciate the info shared so far. Very helpful.
thanks in advance for thoughts.
Mike
PS my cabover is no more and I will be retired by Jan.
2007 Fleetwood gearbox
opinions?
No experience with the Fleetwood but having looked at some new and used. Was not to impressed with the overall quality.
Mmaxed wrote:
We have a 2009 Fuzion 302. No real complaints. While it has it's normal RV **** workmanship items, it has been much better than some other brands friends have had. Biggest issue is that the decals started cracking the first winter. They were replaced under warranty, but now they all look bad.
No experience with the Fleetwood but having looked at some new and used. Was not to impressed with the overall quality.
We have a 2009 Fuzion 302. No real complaints. While it has it's normal RV **** workmanship items, it has been much better than some other brands friends have had. Biggest issue is that the decals started cracking the first winter. They were replaced under warranty, but now they all look bad.
No experience with the Fleetwood but having looked at some new and used. Was not to impressed with the overall quality.
I looked at the gearbox today. Nice features but like most RV.s **** workmanship. From the pictures The Fuzion looks nicer. but won't see it until this weekend.
As far as Decals well I'm in AZ so no way to keep them looking fresh so just don't concern my self with them.
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Condisering a 2006 forest river All American Sport 385RLTS. Interested in opinions, Pros and Cons? Known issues other than decals.
Roof EPDM or TPO?
Yes a Big TH but I do have the truck capable of hauling it.
Thanks again fot the input
Mike
I live full time in a 2008 34FK with a 13.5 garage. I haul a 1996 Tracker in it, and pull it with a Freightliner Argosy cabover tractor, my regular work truck. The only thing to watch for on any Work and Play is the potential for rot in the walls. Hard to detect without knowing what to look for, PM me for particulars.
I wouldn't consider the average RV toyhauler. They are mostly an RV trailer that happens to have a garage, and hauling capacities are limited. Race car trailers you saw on Racing Junk would be the way I would go, some of them are pretty nice, albeit all 3 season trailers. But too spartan for other members of the family.
Good Luck
The 06 forest River as it turns out only has a 10 ft Garage. Rhino is 9'6" I want an 11 or 12 ft garage.
Next up is a 2005 Layton Rampage. M385. Serious solar system on roof as well as Onan 5500 gen set. Dual slide.
Would love to hear thoughts on the Skyline/Layton Rampage line.
Did I mention I will be retired next month? :{)
lightning driver wrote:
Next up is a 2005 Layton Rampage. M385. Serious solar system on roof as well as Onan 5500 gen set. Dual slide.
Would love to hear thoughts on the Skyline/Layton Rampage line.
Next up is a 2005 Layton Rampage. M385. Serious solar system on roof as well as Onan 5500 gen set. Dual slide.
Would love to hear thoughts on the Skyline/Layton Rampage line.
The skyline was a pretty decent unit in it's time. I can't say I heard a lot of negative reviews. I did camp next to one and got a tour, seemed pretty solid. A good detailed and thorough inspection and a good price might make it a great value.
and it sleeps 9
James57 wrote:
My KZ Venom 4013TK has a 13 FT. garage comes with 5500 gen. fueling station
and it sleeps 9
My KZ Venom 4013TK has a 13 FT. garage comes with 5500 gen. fueling station
and it sleeps 9
beautiful hauler but a bit outside my budget.
lightning driver wrote:
beautiful hauler but a bit outside my budget.
James57 wrote:
My KZ Venom 4013TK has a 13 FT. garage comes with 5500 gen. fueling station
and it sleeps 9
My KZ Venom 4013TK has a 13 FT. garage comes with 5500 gen. fueling station
and it sleeps 9
beautiful hauler but a bit outside my budget.
James
I came across a 2006 KZ Montego Bay 37 CKS triple slide that with a little negotiation may be able to get in my price range. Only a 10 ft Garage but may be able to make it work if it is as nice as it appears in pictures. Rhino is 9'6".
Almost 14K lbs dry. I do have a F550 with Airsafe 20K 5th wheel hitch. Truck at 26K rating and hitch appear to work with the Hauler.
Of course interested in opinions
Well I think the search is over. Selling the Bronco.
Came across an Airsafe Omni 20K hitch. and looked at the KZ Montego made an offer was accepted. Taking the Rhino over this week for a trial fit. If Good I'll be bringing it home. Garage is 10 Ft and Rhino is 9'6" height is 6'3" Height Is my concern.
Very well taken care of. Biggest issue is failing clear coat. Welcome to the Az Sun.
And thanks to all who offered assistance.
Mike
Planning to increase battery storage.
18 GD Momentum 376
13 GMC Denali Dually D/A
Motorcycles / ATV's
I'm excited. First toy hauler, first 5th wheel. Couldn't believe how easy it is to hook to the truck.
As I mentioned repacking the bearings and adjusting the brakes first on the list then when it warms up a bit going to reseal the roof. It has no issues but it is 11 years old. Brand new Goodyear 16.5's on it. Paid a litte bit of a premium for it but it was SOOO much cleaner than anything else I looked at. 1 issue is with the Rhino in the garage while traveling I will need to put out one of the 3 slides to get to the kitchen. A little inconvenient but workable.
thanks for looking.
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The_real_wild1 wrote:
Looks good. For tie down you can get short e track with tire straps. Easy to secure.
Looks good. For tie down you can get short e track with tire straps. Easy to secure.
Yep was thinking about the tire straps. Garage floor has adjustable tracks with rings. Seems like the most efficient way to hold Rhino in place. I don't want it putting pressure on the rear door/ramp.
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The_real_wild1 wrote:
I have just been using straps on the d rings to hold down my wildcat inside my toy hauler. I have a couple buddies that use wheel chocks for the front and just a wheel strap on each back wheel. They don't move.
I have just been using straps on the d rings to hold down my wildcat inside my toy hauler. I have a couple buddies that use wheel chocks for the front and just a wheel strap on each back wheel. They don't move.
I decided to go with a belt and suspender system
Wheel Chocks and 2 tie downs. 1 running from rear bumper to front D Ring and 1 from front bumper to rear D ring. 9'6" Rhino and 9' 11" Garage. Not much room for error. Smaller garage than I wanted but the rest of the hauler was just too nice to pass up.