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Topic: Tire Man Valve Extenders for dual tires
Posted By: Cooncatz on 03/14/16 11:56am

can anyone using Tire Man valve extenders for rear dual tires give me information on their performance? Are they worth the near $300 cost to have them installed?

Posted By: MobileBasset on 03/14/16 12:39pm

Have you checked with your local commercial truck tire business, where the 18 wheelers get their tire work done? They can make you the same brass extenders and install them for a much lower price. At least they do where I live.

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Posted By: IAMICHABOD on 03/14/16 12:49pm

I don't really know what you mean by performance,but I have had mine for 5 years and 2 sets of tires and have had no problem at all with them. The flow thru caps make it easy and fast to check and add air if needed.

Here is a friend that had them for 9 years back in 2013 thru 4 sets of tires and they are still going strong with no problems.

Yes I think they are worth the cost,but that is just me,I have no problem buying and using a quality product that will give you long life and make things easier.

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Posted By: brirene on 03/14/16 01:26pm

I just finally got some 135 degree steel extenders after looking for a long time. Not an ideal solution, but at least I can check and fill as necessary. About 14 bucks from the rv dealer.

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Posted By: j-d on 03/14/16 02:06pm

brirene wrote:

I just finally got some 135 degree steel extenders after looking for a long time. Not an ideal solution, but at least I can check and fill as necessary.


Marginally OK but only IF the valves they're attached to are METAL. The rubber ones barely hold up on their own and the weight of extensions, adapters, etc. really tears them up. Then you have a leak or catastrophic failure where the valve fails and leaves a BIG hole.

The best extenders are "airless." There's a pusher inside. When you put a gauge or air hose on, it presses on the pusher and the pusher opens the valve on the tire. Ordinary extenders press the tire's valve when you tighten them on installation. Then the connection, the extender, and the extender's valve can all leak.

Back to the OP's question: YES!!! Very much worth having custom valves, whether bought or made up. We really need only a rear set. Front and Spare can get by nicely on ordinary METAL valves. Just not the very shortest ones if it's Ford wheels. Stem needs to be about 2" to allow gauge/chuck to clear the rim.

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Posted By: VA-Apraisr on 03/14/16 06:52pm

I've had mine on my 4x4 camper for 9 years now and I fully air down to 25psi for beach driving at least 8 times a year and NEVER had an issue with these solid metal value stems. I used the extension rubber ones and braided steel ones and BOTH caused leaks and one came loose driving down the highway....not good! So, YES worth the investment to have solid metal values on all tires and especially on the inner dual wheel.

Posted By: gotsmart on 03/14/16 07:13pm

j-d wrote:

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Front and Spare can get by nicely on ordinary METAL valves. Just not the very shortest ones if it's Ford wheels. Stem needs to be about 2" to allow gauge/chuck to clear the rim.

On my E450 I added one of these to each front tire to extend the valves past the simulators. I bought them at Les Schwab for $1 USD each. linky
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Posted By: IAMICHABOD on 03/14/16 07:19pm

gotsmart wrote:

j-d wrote:

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Front and Spare can get by nicely on ordinary METAL valves. Just not the very shortest ones if it's Ford wheels. Stem needs to be about 2" to allow gauge/chuck to clear the rim.

On my E450 I added one of these to each front tire to extend the valves past the simulators. I bought them at Les Schwab for $1 USD each.

Those come standard on all 6 valve stems from Tire Man.
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Posted By: j-d on 03/14/16 08:20pm

I did the same thing Gotsmart did. The air-through caps (again with a "pusher" inside) gave me just the right additional reach. Coach now has nine of them. Four rear, two front, one spare and two on Air Bag inflate valves.
NAPA has the caps on their browsing racks.

Posted By: Bordercollie on 03/14/16 09:36pm

One tire failure can cost you plenty for repair of damage done by flailing steel belt to underside parts of your rig not to mention possible loss of control. Spending $270 for Tire Man set of six valves and installation seems reasonable due to the price of brass. In 2004 we had a truck tire shop make us up and install solid brass valve stems on all six wheels for around $200, call around explain what you want clearly and get estimates.

(Correction $200)

* This post was edited 03/15/16 09:17am by Bordercollie *

Posted By: DAS26miles on 03/14/16 11:00pm

I'm waiting until I have to buy a new set of Michellins which only last 3-4 years here in SoCal. (OZONE). Then I will pick up a set of rear dually stems from Borg Tire supply local and have the tire shop install them with the new tires and balance. Only the rears, as all the stems are metal. Labor is only $20 to install the stems. Otherwise, you can pay $75 a tire to install and rebalance.

Posted By: j-d on 03/15/16 05:55am

Here's Borg (Bill Falkenborg) Duallyvalve (TM) contact info:[image]
This is what we have, a rear set only, and they've been nothing short of wonderful. We have Borg because they're what I found first. I went to a commercial truck shop and they recommended Six Robblees and 6R carried the Borg (Duallyvalve) product. Kit was four Valves, two rubber Supports for the inner valves, LocTite and Install Instructions. At the time 6R's price was about half of retail.
Had my valves installed by the auto hobby shop at the local Navy base. It was an adventure. They'd do the tire work but not on the RV, so I put the coach up on stands, pulled all the wheels, and carted them to base in our van. I think the price worked out to $14 per wheel.
Later, I was doing brake work and found it was time for tires. Since I had all four rears off, I pulled the fronts and carted them to Discount (America's) Tire. They were willing to work the RV, I just chose to bring them the wheels so I could stay busy on the brakes.
In the process I bent one of the long inner valves. I'd never called Borg but searched out a phone number, called and told him what happened. He expressed a replacement valve cross country and I had it the next afternoon.
Great product, great service.
I went into this detail because I don't want you thinking Borg pays me or I'm anti-anybody-else. Just my very favorable experience.

Posted By: PenMan on 03/15/16 10:57am

I have had Tire Man valve extenders on my truck for several years and they work great. I would never have a dually without them.

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Posted By: dicknellen on 03/15/16 12:56pm

I have had Borg on my e-350 since Jan. 2014, very happy with them and no problems. Can check and air up all tires in ten minutes. Dick

Posted By: VA-Apraisr on 03/15/16 01:37pm

The photo above of the brass set from Tire Man is THE WAY to go, period!!! You won't regret the investment.

Posted By: cruising spud on 03/15/16 02:16pm

We are on the East coast. Tireman is on the West coast. I called him and ordered valve extenders for our rv. He sent them and our local garage installed them. They have been great.

Posted By: Toot Mc on 03/15/16 05:17pm

I was at Camping would here in Houston this morning. they now have the solid extenders for Ford & Chevy for all 4 rear wheels were 79$ this morning...!!!! I paid a lot more for mine 6 months ago on the internet. I put new Michelins on my Coach House E-450 Ford and Discount tire installed the new solid stems for nothing, and they were balanced when all was done. I have put about 2000 miles on them and they are great, so very much easer to check the air because they are solid to put air hose and check the pressure. the rubber donut that fits into outside rim stabilizes the inside duel valve stem.

Next I plan on putting a pressure/temp system on all my Motor home and Towd so I can have live readings on all my Tires.

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Posted By: IAMICHABOD on 03/18/16 01:08pm

Toot Mc wrote:

I was at Camping would here in Houston this morning. they now have the solid extenders for Ford & Chevy for all 4 rear wheels were 79$ this morning...!!!! I paid a lot more for mine 6 months ago on the internet.


I was at my Camping World and looked at them,they look kind of cheaply made.
I guess you get what you pay for,$80 at Camping World,$120 on his website, they are all making money so I really wonder what they cost when they are made in china.

They are made in CHINA.Note the Part #

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Glad I got the Made in The USA Tire Man valve stems.I never scrimp on things that may fail and cause major damage or an accident.

Posted By: leeper on 04/29/16 01:43pm

Something that is not discussed about these long tire stems is that the chrome simulated wheel covers will not fit unless they are modified by notching the wheel cover hole larger in order to clear the new stems, or leave the covers off. Maybe both ways do not look good when done. All the Ad photos show wheels without the simulated wheel covers.

* This post was edited 04/29/16 03:15pm by leeper *

Posted By: IAMICHABOD on 04/29/16 02:45pm

leeper wrote:

Something that is not discussed about these long tire stems is that the chrome simulated wheel covers will not fit unless they are modified by notching the wheel cover hole larger in order to clear the new stems, or leave the covers off. Both ways do not look good when done. All the Ad photos show wheels without the simulated wheel covers.

That is odd here is a picture of Tire Man valve stems on a Ford Wheel with simulators and I see no cut out,they fit perfectly in the center of the hole.
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Posted By: Bobbo on 04/29/16 02:47pm

While I did have to notch a couple of the wheel simulators, it is not noticeable at all.

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Posted By: leeper on 04/29/16 03:18pm

IAMICHABOD wrote:

leeper wrote:

Something that is not discussed about these long tire stems is that the chrome simulated wheel covers will not fit unless they are modified by notching the wheel cover hole larger in order to clear the new stems, or leave the covers off. Both ways do not look good when done. All the Ad photos show wheels without the simulated wheel covers.

That is odd here is a picture of Tire Man valve stems on a Ford Wheel with simulators and I see no cut out,they fit perfectly in the center of the hole.
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That photo is of a larger oval hole. Mine are round and 8 of them.

Posted By: leeper on 04/29/16 03:21pm

Bobbo wrote:

While I did have to notch a couple of the wheel simulators, it is not noticeable at all.


Thanks Bobbo for the info. I am going out to make the notches now.

Posted By: chinrv on 04/29/16 03:48pm

How were the wheels balanced by the tire installers with the long tire stems in the rims? Did they present any problems?

Posted By: IAMICHABOD on 04/29/16 04:07pm

leeper wrote:


That photo is of a larger oval hole. Mine are round and 8 of them.

Oh in that case here is a picture of your wheel with the Tire Man Valve Stems

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Posted By: IAMICHABOD on 04/29/16 04:11pm

chinrv wrote:

How were the wheels balanced by the tire installers with the long tire stems in the rims? Did they present any problems?


Mine balanced out just fine,no problems at all,they aren't that heavy.
Much lighter than the extenders that some use.

Posted By: j-d on 04/29/16 04:51pm

I had to notch just a little. Eight-Round-Hole Simulators, BORG Dually Valves. Easy enough. But I'd suggest you cut or grind your notches. I did that on one side after I thought I could dimple the stainless steel a little to gain the clearance and it cracked. I'd rather have a ground-out spot (Dremel Tool) than a crack. Still, the tiny crack has not spread.

Posted By: Bobbo on 04/29/16 07:39pm

I dremelled my notches. Easy Peasy.

Posted By: leeper on 04/30/16 12:29am

IAMICHABOD wrote:

leeper wrote:


That photo is of a larger oval hole. Mine are round and 8 of them.

Oh in that case here is a picture of your wheel with the Tire Man Valve Stems

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That is a photo of a wheel simulator with Tire Man Valve Stems and not mounted on a wheel. They really do not fit that well on an actual wheel.

Posted By: WA7NDD on 05/01/16 06:40pm

I have had the Tire Man extenders on our class c since 2014 and they work fine. I took a 2500 mile trip no problem. Just installed the TireMinder TM66 on the extenders because of the good price Camping World had on the TM66. It was nice to screw the transmitters onto the extenders and they did not even wiggle a bit.

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Posted By: IAMICHABOD on 05/01/16 07:05pm

leeper wrote:


That is a photo of a wheel simulator with Tire Man Valve Stems and not mounted on a wheel. They really do not fit that well on an actual wheel.

If you will look closely you will see that it is indeed mounted on a wheel.

Posted By: ADOR on 05/03/16 09:35pm

Is there an advantage of having the BRASS stem over the CHROME? Or the other way around?

I have the Chrome kit from Camping World (only for the rear). I have not installed them yet. I called Tire-Man. He confirmed that the parts are also from China, assembled in USA. So that place the 2 kits at the same "Made in China" category. Tire-Man kit have ALL 6 stems (front and rear). Both kits look well built.

Posted By: j-d on 05/04/16 09:15am

Comments in ALL CAPS below. Not shouting, just don't know how to do Font and Italics.

ADOR wrote:


Is there an advantage of having the BRASS stem over the CHROME? Or the other way around? NOPE - THE "CHROME" KIT IS CHROME OVER BRASS SO IT'S JUST PRETTIED-UP BRASS. USUALLY PRICED $10 OR SO PER SET HIGHER THAN BRASS. OUR BORG SET IS BRASS, WHEN I DAMAGED ONE (TOTALLY MY FAULT) BILL SENT ME A FREE REPLACEMENT. HAD ONLY CHROME AND I SAID "SURE." ANY VANITY I STILL HAVE AT MY AGE DOESN'T EXTEND TO TIRE VALVES.

I have the Chrome kit from Camping World (only for the rear). I have not installed them yet.
PUT THEM IN! NOT A REASON IN THE WORLD NOT TO. THE IDEA THAT ONE BRAND IS THE ORIGINAL AND ANOTHER IS A KNOCK-OFF IS BUNK.

I called Tire-Man. He confirmed that the parts are also from China, assembled in USA. So that place the 2 kits at the same "Made in China" category.
WHICH I KNEW ALL ALONG, BUT DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO A "FORD/CHEVY" KIND OF DEBATE OVER VALVES.

Tire-Man kit have ALL 6 stems (front and rear). CUSTOM FRONT VALVES FOR FORD IS NICE BUT NOT A "MUST." CUSTOM FRONT VALVES FOR FORD IS NICE BUT NOT A "MUST." JUST USE A QUALITY METAL STEM ON EACH FRONT AND YOUR SPARE. IF YOU PUT AIR-THROUGH CAPS ON THEM, THE SHORTY ONES ARE OK. OTHERWISE YOU NEED AT LEAST A 2" LENGTH TO GET THE AIR CHUCK OUT OF INTERFERENCE WITH THE RIM. JUST USE A QUALITY METAL STEM ON EACH FRONT AND YOUR SPARE. IF YOU PUT AIR-THROUGH CAPS ON THEM, THE SHORTY ONES ARE OK. OTHERWISE YOU NEED AT LEAST A 2" LENGTH TO GET THE AIR CHUCK OUT OF INTERFERENCE WITH THE RIM.

Both kits look well built. THEY ARE AS EQUAL AS DAY AND NIGHT AT EQUINOX. BOTH CHUCK AND BILL ARE STAND-UP GUYS WITH QUALITY PRODUCTS THEY STAND BEHIND. DON'T LET ANYBODY TELL YOU ONE IS AND ONE ISN'T. I SUPPORT BILL BECAUSE I FOUND HIM FIRST AND HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT GREAT RESULTS AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.

I'M PROUD OF BILL (BORG) LANDING THE CW DEAL, AND CW FOR GETTING INTO VALVES WITH A QUALITY PRODUCT.


Edited with spacing, hopefully more readable.

* This post was edited 05/04/16 09:55am by j-d *

Posted By: Bordercollie on 05/04/16 11:19am

The term "tire valve extenders" is not accurate, you want solid metal custom formed tire valves for rear duals. The front tires also need solid metal tire valves to clear the hole in the wheel covers and make checking/filling easier.
Pro truck tire shops may sell and install their own custom metal tire valves considerably cheaper than Borg, etc. Solid metal tire valves stay on the wheels when tires are replaced. Most RV tires are not rotated, unlike car tires.

Posted By: leeper on 05/05/16 11:22am

Just bought the Camper World Borg and am very happy with the results. I fully agree with j-d!

Posted By: PhilandJoyce on 05/15/16 11:43am

I had a rear-outer that absolutely REFUSED to hold pressure. After playing around with the tire/rim for nearly 2 HOURS, the mechanic could not find a leak. He even went to the point of completely removing the tire from the rim and doing an inch-by-inch inspection. Could not find a single issue.
Went to "de" winterize a few weeks ago, and the tire was flat AGAIN. I had already considered "Tire Man" valves, but this kinda put me over.
Had them installed (by a local shop that does A LOT of "dually" work (Limos, buses, HD trucks) and even THEY were impressed with the quality and precision.
If Chuck's REPLACEMENT valves (as these are not just extenders) save me ONE tire pressure loss, it'll be worth it. I just can't put my faith in a rubber or even braided steel extension when it comes to my family's safety.

Posted By: j-d on 05/15/16 12:58pm

PhilandJoyce wrote:

...save me ONE tire pressure loss, it'll be worth it. I just can't put my faith in a rubber or even braided steel extension when it comes to my family's safety...

That, Boys and Girls, is IT in Nutshell. There are one-piece, solid metal, valves that hold air, that you can reach, and then there's everything else.

Posted By: millerwd on 05/16/16 06:08pm

IAMICHABOD wrote:

gotsmart wrote:

j-d wrote:

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Front and Spare can get by nicely on ordinary METAL valves. Just not the very shortest ones if it's Ford wheels. Stem needs to be about 2" to allow gauge/chuck to clear the rim.

On my E450 I added one of these to each front tire to extend the valves past the simulators. I bought them at Les Schwab for $1 USD each.

Those come standard on all 6 valve stems from Tire Man.
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Posted By: Baja Man on 05/17/16 09:01pm

as asked by ADOR.....any advantage to brass over chrome?

Also, the Borg ones have a round stabilizer that is placed in rim hole to stabilize the extension....the Tire Man ones do not.

Is this stabilizer much needed and why doesn't Tire man version not have them?

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Posted By: j-d on 05/17/16 11:36pm

Caps linked above are what I mentioned in Baja Man's other thread.

YES, adding one of those caps will let you check and add air with the shortest of metal stems.

FYI, it's the way Ford arranged the rim and the hole. You don't notice it with a short rubber valve, like Ford delivers with, because it'll flex enough to let you get a gauge and chuck onto it.

The Borg and Tire Man stems are made of Brass. So "Brass" is natural brass, and "Chrome" is chrome over brass. I think it's $10 additional. So my brass Dually Valves (Borg) are DL-1E. In Chrome, DL-1EC, which is what Camping World is selling.

I like the idea of the rubber Stabilizer. That inner stem is very long and that's a lot of unsupported weight. Which is why the Stabilizer goes in the OUTER wheel even though it's for the INNER valve.

Posted By: Bobbo on 05/18/16 08:12am

Baja Man wrote:

as asked by ADOR.....any advantage to brass over chrome?

Also, the Borg ones have a round stabilizer that is placed in rim hole to stabilize the extension....the Tire Man ones do not.

Is this stabilizer much needed and why doesn't Tire man version not have them?

My tireman stems came with a stabilizer for the inner dually tire's valve stem.

Posted By: j-d on 05/18/16 09:35am

The cap linked above is what I to in your other thread, V2B, Gator, Crocodile. And YES, you found the right set of Dually Valves.

Posted By: Baja Man on 05/18/16 09:53am

Great....I think I have it figured out. CW price is pretty good for the rear duals. Need to find a set of fronts as they are not avail from CW.

Posted By: ADOR on 05/18/16 10:37am

Borg's kit from CW have great quality. However, I have decided to return it because I need a Full Kit for front and rear. I purchases the Tireman kit. Also great quality. They also came with the oval rubber support (x2) for the outer wheel.

Both kits are great. I have seen both kits. Just a matter of preference on which kit you want.

Posted By: Baja Man on 05/18/16 02:08pm

are these the Tire Man extenders people are referring to?

Tire Man

Posted By: IAMICHABOD on 05/18/16 06:24pm

Baja Man wrote:

are these the Tire Man extenders people are referring to?

Tire Man


Yes they are the ones.

Posted By: WA7NDD on 05/19/16 09:55pm

I put Tireman valves on my E350 two years ago. So much easier to deal with the tires. First time you air up you'll be glad you got them. I added the M66 Tireminder to them this month. Was so nice to just screw the transmitter onto a strong valve stem out in the open with no hassle. Worth every cent.

Posted By: Ponderosa on 05/21/16 08:09am

Does CW do the install on their valve extenders? $$?

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Posted By: ADOR on 05/21/16 09:21am

At least at the CW where I purchased the Borg kit, NO. Part of the reasonI returned it. Im here at Discount Tires right now having my Tireman Metal Valve Stem Kit (Not extenders) and TST 507 internal, strap mounted sensors installed. Getting ready for 3 week road trip.

* This post was edited 05/21/16 09:30am by ADOR *

Posted By: Bobbo on 05/22/16 08:52am

Since each tire only has one valve stem, how can you install both the Tireman stems and the TST stems?

Posted By: wearenh on 05/22/16 09:12am

The TST (and EEZRV, and all other TPMS) are not stems, they are caps ... see pics
I recommend the EEZ brand... the pics below show the sensor caps with the
anti-theft housing ... if you remove it as I did (living life on the edge), the
sensors are the smallest of any TPMS sensors, and the system works great


EEZ TPMS Systems (we have 10 sensors: RV + Trailer)


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