D1trout wrote:
Michael111, tomorrow I will begin drilling out the rivets and removing the inner vinyl-coated skin and old foam in my C11. I'm wondering if you have replaced the foam and the inner skin on your rig yet? And resolved the Luan/ rib insulation idea you proposed. I'd like to learn what you've learned...
Dick
Michael111, tomorrow I will begin drilling out the rivets and removing the inner vinyl-coated skin and old foam in my C11. I'm wondering if you have replaced the foam and the inner skin on your rig yet? And resolved the Luan/ rib insulation idea you proposed. I'd like to learn what you've learned...
Dick
Dick
No i have not gotten to it
i am was just to swamped work wise to put much attention to the C11
but i just ordered all the electric replacement parts ( stop , turn , marker etc.) and hopefully after thanksgiving week once everything is delivered i can start wiring everything from scratch
i am going to give it a try with my original idea of sticking to a total build cost including the C11 of about $ 6000 with a open floor space as much as possible , so compromises will have to be made.
Most of the $$ will go into the solar and fridge
my insulation will be coated bubble wrap
inside will be a combination of aluminum taken from the original , white illuminated acrylic panels and luan
i made the decision of painting the outside with truck bed liner , yes this will make some of you cringe
![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/eek.gif "eek")
but its going to be watertight Solar system is picked out
it will be prewired for a wind turbine
outside lights are ordered
still on the fence if i want to have water in the camper , i have heard great things about composting toilets not sure yet
most of the furniture is roughed in
fridge is picked out
the basement will be reconfigured and to house a pull out kitchen
by the next winter i will probably install a catalytic heater and the LP gas will be integrated
into the truck bed , i am thinking that if water, then the tanks will go into the truck bed as well.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone
Happy belated turkeyday!
Tiki I really like your flatbed rig, lots of storage.
What are those poles between the cab and camper
for?
I meet someone last night who claimed my rig
was in San Antonio last week. I apologized
it was not me. Could that be you 69?
These Avions really make people excited,
I wish I had stock in the Avion Corp. Well
on second thought! Back to the water heater.
Its test time.
I think your use of bed liner material on the exterior should be an interesting look - sort of a stealth Avion. I've decided to buy a large can of the Kool Seal elastomeric roof coating, put two coats on the roof and at least one coat on the entire inside of the shell before I put the insulation in.
And I am now thinking to glue 1/2" sheets of foil faced R Max polyisocyanurate insulation board (widely available, at HD and most other building supply stores) in three layers into the shell, using contact cement to bond the layers. Then sandwich everything in snugly with the inner skin. That board has the highest R value of anything on the market, even exceeding foamed-in closed cell foam. I reckon to get nearly R10 with that lay-up.
What I've learned crawling around on top and from the panels I have already removed inside is that the foamed-in factory insulation was pretty erratic in its depth and coverage - voids and thin spots in many places. The board glue-up will eliminate that and be a lot easier to apply uniformly, I think. Plus I have to think that the three layers of foil will add some extra pizazz to the final R value. I figure to seal any nooks and crannies with the little cans of spray foam.
i will put 1/16" x 3/4" bedding tape on the inner faces of the ribs before riveting on the inner skin, to address the thermal transfer issue you raised last spring.
Thanks again for your reply. Isn't it interesting how we each find our own solutions to the challenges these old Avions present us with!
Dick
cajunavion wrote:
Howdy!
Happy belated turkeyday!
Tiki I really like your flatbed rig, lots of storage.
What are those poles between the cab and camper
for?
Howdy!
Happy belated turkeyday!
Tiki I really like your flatbed rig, lots of storage.
What are those poles between the cab and camper
for?
It's part of the headboard of the flatbed ( headache rack ).
'68 Avion C-11
'02 GMC DRW D/A flatbed
Ford F-350 4x4 Diesel
1988 Avion Triple Axle Trailer
1969 Avion C-11 Camper
D1trout wrote:
Michael, thanks for your reply. I'll just start drilling rivets and pulling off panels. What could possibly go wrong...
I think your use of bed liner material on the exterior should be an interesting look - sort of a stealth Avion. I've decided to buy a large can of the Kool Seal elastomeric roof coating, put two coats on the roof and at least one coat on the entire inside of the shell before I put the insulation in.
And I am now thinking to glue 1/2" sheets of foil faced R Max polyisocyanurate insulation board (widely available, at HD and most other building supply stores) in three layers into the shell, using contact cement to bond the layers. Then sandwich everything in snugly with the inner skin. That board has the highest R value of anything on the market, even exceeding foamed-in closed cell foam. I reckon to get nearly R10 with that lay-up.
What I've learned crawling around on top and from the panels I have already removed inside is that the foamed-in factory insulation was pretty erratic in its depth and coverage - voids and thin spots in many places. The board glue-up will eliminate that and be a lot easier to apply uniformly, I think. Plus I have to think that the three layers of foil will add some extra pizazz to the final R value. I figure to seal any nooks and crannies with the little cans of spray foam.
i will put 1/16" x 3/4" bedding tape on the inner faces of the ribs before riveting on the inner skin, to address the thermal transfer issue you raised last spring.
Thanks again for your reply. Isn't it interesting how we each find our own solutions to the challenges these old Avions present us with!
Dick
Michael, thanks for your reply. I'll just start drilling rivets and pulling off panels. What could possibly go wrong...
I think your use of bed liner material on the exterior should be an interesting look - sort of a stealth Avion. I've decided to buy a large can of the Kool Seal elastomeric roof coating, put two coats on the roof and at least one coat on the entire inside of the shell before I put the insulation in.
And I am now thinking to glue 1/2" sheets of foil faced R Max polyisocyanurate insulation board (widely available, at HD and most other building supply stores) in three layers into the shell, using contact cement to bond the layers. Then sandwich everything in snugly with the inner skin. That board has the highest R value of anything on the market, even exceeding foamed-in closed cell foam. I reckon to get nearly R10 with that lay-up.
What I've learned crawling around on top and from the panels I have already removed inside is that the foamed-in factory insulation was pretty erratic in its depth and coverage - voids and thin spots in many places. The board glue-up will eliminate that and be a lot easier to apply uniformly, I think. Plus I have to think that the three layers of foil will add some extra pizazz to the final R value. I figure to seal any nooks and crannies with the little cans of spray foam.
i will put 1/16" x 3/4" bedding tape on the inner faces of the ribs before riveting on the inner skin, to address the thermal transfer issue you raised last spring.
Thanks again for your reply. Isn't it interesting how we each find our own solutions to the challenges these old Avions present us with!
Dick
Interesting approach for the insulation do you think there will be any concerns with the ridgid foam squeeking from movement ? Do you think contact cement will hold ? I believe Avion thought that the application of spray foam not only insulated but also helped with structural rigidity. I would think modern closed cell spray foam is superior to what was used in the 60's for insulation and strength but I could be wrong. I'm not sure what direction I will take with mine but your idea is interesting. Will the 1/2 " ridgid foam curve without having to make back cuts ?
rfuerst911sc wrote:
Interesting approach for the insulation do you think there will be any concerns with the ridgid foam squeeking from movement ? Do you think contact cement will hold ? I believe Avion thought that the application of spray foam not only insulated but also helped with structural rigidity. I would think modern closed cell spray foam is superior to what was used in the 60's for insulation and strength but I could be wrong. I'm not sure what direction I will take with mine but your idea is interesting. Will the 1/2 " ridgid foam curve without having to make back cuts ?
D1trout wrote:
Michael, thanks for your reply. I'll just start drilling rivets and pulling off panels. What could possibly go wrong...
I think your use of bed liner material on the exterior should be an interesting look - sort of a stealth Avion. I've decided to buy a large can of the Kool Seal elastomeric roof coating, put two coats on the roof and at least one coat on the entire inside of the shell before I put the insulation in.
And I am now thinking to glue 1/2" sheets of foil faced R Max polyisocyanurate insulation board (widely available, at HD and most other building supply stores) in three layers into the shell, using contact cement to bond the layers. Then sandwich everything in snugly with the inner skin. That board has the highest R value of anything on the market, even exceeding foamed-in closed cell foam. I reckon to get nearly R10 with that lay-up.
What I've learned crawling around on top and from the panels I have already removed inside is that the foamed-in factory insulation was pretty erratic in its depth and coverage - voids and thin spots in many places. The board glue-up will eliminate that and be a lot easier to apply uniformly, I think. Plus I have to think that the three layers of foil will add some extra pizazz to the final R value. I figure to seal any nooks and crannies with the little cans of spray foam.
i will put 1/16" x 3/4" bedding tape on the inner faces of the ribs before riveting on the inner skin, to address the thermal transfer issue you raised last spring.
Thanks again for your reply. Isn't it interesting how we each find our own solutions to the challenges these old Avions present us with!
Dick
Michael, thanks for your reply. I'll just start drilling rivets and pulling off panels. What could possibly go wrong...
I think your use of bed liner material on the exterior should be an interesting look - sort of a stealth Avion. I've decided to buy a large can of the Kool Seal elastomeric roof coating, put two coats on the roof and at least one coat on the entire inside of the shell before I put the insulation in.
And I am now thinking to glue 1/2" sheets of foil faced R Max polyisocyanurate insulation board (widely available, at HD and most other building supply stores) in three layers into the shell, using contact cement to bond the layers. Then sandwich everything in snugly with the inner skin. That board has the highest R value of anything on the market, even exceeding foamed-in closed cell foam. I reckon to get nearly R10 with that lay-up.
What I've learned crawling around on top and from the panels I have already removed inside is that the foamed-in factory insulation was pretty erratic in its depth and coverage - voids and thin spots in many places. The board glue-up will eliminate that and be a lot easier to apply uniformly, I think. Plus I have to think that the three layers of foil will add some extra pizazz to the final R value. I figure to seal any nooks and crannies with the little cans of spray foam.
i will put 1/16" x 3/4" bedding tape on the inner faces of the ribs before riveting on the inner skin, to address the thermal transfer issue you raised last spring.
Thanks again for your reply. Isn't it interesting how we each find our own solutions to the challenges these old Avions present us with!
Dick
Interesting approach for the insulation do you think there will be any concerns with the ridgid foam squeeking from movement ? Do you think contact cement will hold ? I believe Avion thought that the application of spray foam not only insulated but also helped with structural rigidity. I would think modern closed cell spray foam is superior to what was used in the 60's for insulation and strength but I could be wrong. I'm not sure what direction I will take with mine but your idea is interesting. Will the 1/2 " ridgid foam curve without having to make back cuts ?
I think Avion thought long and hard about what to use. I wonder how much better modern spray foam is, over what they used in the 1960s. I imagine that there are different types of foam, and getting the right one is important. Look at how long the factory foam has lasted.