| Topic: Avion truck campers - Hundreds of photos |
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Posted By: Sweet Tater
on 02/10/14 08:21pm
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1968 Avion tc for sale.
Saw this and thought of you Avion guys. its not mine.
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Posted By: D1trout
on 02/10/14 08:41pm
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Cajunavion, I can't take credit for the sliding table idea. It's a Lance feature and a great solution to the lack of space in our campers. I haven't decided how to execute the interior of my C11. White laminate for the bodies of the cabinets and counters would make everything light and airy. Then perhaps make the drawer and cabinet fronts and doors out of a finely figured wood/plywood veneer. A classic old American yacht designer named Herreshoff used white and wood to great effect in his boats. Very shippy, but am I mixing metaphors...?
If this is the way I go, then the table would be plywood, edge banded or trimmed with hardwood. As for weight, I've calculated the aluminum frame design as being very close to the original plywood sandwich design. I think 67 raises the more important issue: weight distribution and balance and COG. Thanks for providing that link. I'll have to work out those numbers before I start actually building the interior. I weighed everything before I disassembled the camper so I have a notion of where it all began.
We do plan to sleep in the cabover bed. The single/dinette is really for the dogs and for dining. I'd rather it be just 72" long to give me the little extra space for the reconfigured propane locker and the water tank which will both be on the right side of the center line of the rig.
I'm planning to run everything on a 12 volt system. When 110V is available, it will go to a charger to keep everything topped up, plus power a couple of outlets in the camper. We're pretty much interested in boondocking rather than staying in rv parks or campgrounds.
I thought the foam board model would give me the best sense of how to organize the interior. I have a hard time visualizing the finished product. The process of making the model has helped me to discover and address problems I hadn't foreseen. So far, it's been most helpful and it's also helped me explain my thinking to Annie, who is an excellent judge of space and utility, and who I am anxious to keep engaged in the process.
All in all, a great project.
Onward!
Dick
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Posted By: D1trout
on 02/11/14 10:25am
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Anyone have a round number for the center of gravity for a C11?
Or a C10?
Dick
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Posted By: 67avion
on 02/11/14 01:18pm
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I think it depends on the truck, doesn't it? I am pretty sure that I am about 3+ feet in front of the rear axle. But that includes the whole enchilada. If it gets too far back then the weight on the front wheels starts to lift...and that is not good. I was really hoping that you would figure it out - or one of the other guys.
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Posted By: garryk6
on 02/11/14 02:50pm
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If one of the guys with a complete and original C-10 or C-11, wants to set some jack stands on the ground with a heavy (think 4" heavy wall pipe)bar across the bottom of the TC, then slowly lower the jacks to see if the front keeps going down or the rear, then jack back up, and readjust front or rear until you see where it is closest to balancing. That is your COG. You will want to mention how you are loaded (empty, food clothing water etc).
There were never any "posted" COG in the early days of TC's, so you'll have to figure it out.
Mine wouldn't be much good to anyone but me, since it is so modified...
Hope this helps!
Garry
Garry K
Wife + 4 kids
Retired Military Family.... Alway's on the move....
2002 F350 CCSB 5.4 6spd 4x4 in AK
1966 Avion C-10 Truck Camper
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Posted By: D1trout
on 02/11/14 03:28pm
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That helps a lot, Garry! I can do that with mine in a couple of months
although it might be a bit after the fact in terms of locating various items
But it is a great conceptual starting point. And I have the front and rear
axle weights with the original camper loaded last September. I'll pursue this
line and report back.
Dick
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Posted By: 69 Avion
on 02/11/14 09:29pm
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As I recall, the CG of an original C-11 is forward of where the rear axle would be when the water tank is full. It is behind the rear axle when the water tank is empty. That is one of the issues with the Avion design that needs to be understood. You need to be careful with an empty water tank and a full black (& gray) tank.
Ford F-350 4x4 Diesel
1988 Avion Triple Axle Trailer
1969 Avion C-11 Camper
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Posted By: Desertboy
on 02/11/14 10:42pm
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What's a good ballpark guess on C-11 weight? I'm just curious, I know we have added lots of extras now days.
1969 AVION
3/4 12 VALVE
Freightliner/24' Flatbed 50,000 miles/ Titan 4000 receiver Hitch, no Mods needed.
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Posted By: D1trout
on 02/12/14 09:22am
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Will, I weighed my rig last fall. It was a stock '69 C11 side dinette model. The camper had no kitchenware, food, clothing or other personal items. It did, however, have the three camper jacks, the heavy duty OEM models. And perhaps 150 pounds of water soaked into the plywood panels. Plus a rooftop AC unit and a marine style TV antenna. No water in the tank. One full propane bottle and one empty. One battery installed up front next to the water tank. This all netted out at 2670 pounds.
Dick
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Posted By: Desertboy
on 02/12/14 10:59pm
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Thanks man, I had no idea. finally sold the compressor today off of my freightliner. So Im about to get things rolling on my project.
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