Chuck .. wrote:
I'll see if this works!
I am trying to find exactly what size 5th wheel I can handle safety.
I have a 1999 Dodge 5.7 Cumming Diesel Cub Cap long bed.
On the driver's door is says: GVWR 8800 Front GAWR 4410 Rear 6084
Weighted empty at scale: Front axle 3880 Rear 2780 Total weight= 6540.
To figure out what size of 5th wheel I can safety tow?
GHWR or Pin weight: 8800 lbs X .25 or 25% = 2200 lbs.
I tried looking up the GCWR which I think is 15,000 for this truck.
So for example: A Montana 293RK stick says: Payload 2,080 Loaded Trailer 8,320-10,400
I take 10,400 lbs for the tailor and multiply .25 which equals, 2,600 lbs. Looks like this 5th wheel is too heavy. Right or wrong.
I'll see if this works!
I am trying to find exactly what size 5th wheel I can handle safety.
I have a 1999 Dodge 5.7 Cumming Diesel Cub Cap long bed.
On the driver's door is says: GVWR 8800 Front GAWR 4410 Rear 6084
Weighted empty at scale: Front axle 3880 Rear 2780 Total weight= 6540.
To figure out what size of 5th wheel I can safety tow?
GHWR or Pin weight: 8800 lbs X .25 or 25% = 2200 lbs.
I tried looking up the GCWR which I think is 15,000 for this truck.
So for example: A Montana 293RK stick says: Payload 2,080 Loaded Trailer 8,320-10,400
I take 10,400 lbs for the tailor and multiply .25 which equals, 2,600 lbs. Looks like this 5th wheel is too heavy. Right or wrong.
I towed a 32.5' Avion Platinum with my 98 RAM2500 and it was a perfect match the truck sat level and performed well. The combined weight was 20,500#. I always said that RV was the trucks limit that is why I went Dually with the larger RV.
So Look for a 5er with a gross weight rating of 12-13K.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"
"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600
2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable
2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD
F-250 with V-10, 6 speed manual and 4:30 rears.
Cat scale weigh ticket
Steer axle 3,560
Drive axle 5,060
Trailer tandems 9,640
Gross weight 18,260
These weights are with 3/4 tank of fuel and 3/4 full fresh water tank and about five gallons between the thee holding tanks. I am comfortably under my GVWR and my GCWR. With full fuel tanks and full fresh water tanks and my trailer loaded for an extended stay, I will be safely with in the trucks rating.
* This post was edited 04/03/15 10:13pm by CenTex *
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CenTex wrote:
I don't see to many people ever say what their rear end ratios are and that is very important as to how much you can tow.
F-250 with V-10, 6 speed manual and 3:73 rears.
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I don't see to many people ever say what their rear end ratios are and that is very important as to how much you can tow.
F-250 with V-10, 6 speed manual and 3:73 rears.
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I suppose that's because it doesn't change axle weight ratings, or load carrying capacity. It's more related to pulling power, and since the overwhelming majority of us pulling fivers pull with a diesel, pulling power is rarely an issue.
Your weights look great. Very similar to my own setup. Perfect on an F250.
2006 F250 Diesel
2011 Keystone Cougar 278RKSWE Fiver
Trailer 2015 Wildcat 317RL,
Truck with Me (250 lbs) and full fuel, no trailer or hitch:
Steer axle 3,880
Drive axle 2,980
Total 6,860
Truck with ME in it, full fuel, trailer full water
Steer axle 3,900 (max front 4,250)
Drive axle 5,440 (max rear 6,100)(7,000 lbs on F350 with same axle, added Timbrens)
Trailer axles 9,720
Gross Combined weight 19,060
Pin weight @ 2,300 (2,460 minus truck hitch, truck not weighed with hitch installed)
Total trailer weight 12,020 lbs
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* This post was edited 03/20/15 01:42pm by Learjet *
2017 Ram Big Horn, DRW Long Box, 4x4, Cummins, Aisin, 3.73
2022 Jayco Pinnacle 32RLTS, Onan 5500, Disc Brakes, 17.5" tires
B&W Ram Companion
Learjet wrote:
2013 Ford F250 XLT, CC, 6.2, 3.73 rear, 4x2
Trailer 2015 Wildcat 317RL,
Truck with Me (250 lbs) and full fuel, no trailer or hitch:
Steer axle 3,880
Drive axle 2,980
Total 6,860
Truck with ME in it, full fuel, trailer full water
Steer axle 3,900 (max front 4,250)
Drive axle 5,440 (max rear 6,100)(7,000 lbs on F350 with same axle, added Timbrens)
Trailer axles 9,720
Gross Combined weight 19,060
Pin weight @ 2,300 (2,460 minus truck hitch, truck not weighed with hitch installed)
Total trailer weight 12,020 lbs
2013 Ford F250 XLT, CC, 6.2, 3.73 rear, 4x2
Trailer 2015 Wildcat 317RL,
Truck with Me (250 lbs) and full fuel, no trailer or hitch:
Steer axle 3,880
Drive axle 2,980
Total 6,860
Truck with ME in it, full fuel, trailer full water
Steer axle 3,900 (max front 4,250)
Drive axle 5,440 (max rear 6,100)(7,000 lbs on F350 with same axle, added Timbrens)
Trailer axles 9,720
Gross Combined weight 19,060
Pin weight @ 2,300 (2,460 minus truck hitch, truck not weighed with hitch installed)
Total trailer weight 12,020 lbs
Looks like a properly loaded combo!
JustLookin wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding the RV Tow Check 2.0 calculator. I am looking to upgrade both truck and a 5ver and want to know what the correct towing capacity is of any new truck I buy before shopping for the trailer. I'm looking at a 2015 F250, 4x2, crew cab, 6.7l Turbo diesel with a 3.73. I find the GCWR is 31,900, the GVWR is 9900, I set the GVW at 6800 (curb wt.), gear and cargo at 500 and passengers at 500. At a 20% pin weight the calculator shows such a truck would have a 9500 lb. towing capacity for a fifth wheel. Am I interpreting this right? That seems low for what I have observed on the road and its well below Ford's published 23,600 lb maximum loaded 5th wheel weight for such a truck in their towing guide. Thanks in advance.
I'm having trouble understanding the RV Tow Check 2.0 calculator. I am looking to upgrade both truck and a 5ver and want to know what the correct towing capacity is of any new truck I buy before shopping for the trailer. I'm looking at a 2015 F250, 4x2, crew cab, 6.7l Turbo diesel with a 3.73. I find the GCWR is 31,900, the GVWR is 9900, I set the GVW at 6800 (curb wt.), gear and cargo at 500 and passengers at 500. At a 20% pin weight the calculator shows such a truck would have a 9500 lb. towing capacity for a fifth wheel. Am I interpreting this right? That seems low for what I have observed on the road and its well below Ford's published 23,600 lb maximum loaded 5th wheel weight for such a truck in their towing guide. Thanks in advance.
If you included the hitch system with the 500 pounds of cargo, and also checked the 5th wheel hitch option, that would be incorrect. But if you meant 1000 pounds of cargo and passengers, plus selecting the hitch, 9500 pounds towing capacity @20% is correct.
The GVWR is the limiting the towing capacity and that is very common with 3/4 ton trucks. The engine and transmission is not any different than the 1 ton trucks. But it could be the springs or gear ratio or the brakes or axle or wheels or any combination that keeps the 3/4 ton from handling much pin weight. There are a lot of 3/4 tons that are towing 5th wheels while exceeding GVWR and GAWR as shown on the certification label.
* This post was edited 03/20/15 11:52pm by DW-gray *
Dave Gray
RV Safety Educator & Consultant
08 Dodge Ram 3500 4X4, Dually, 6.7L Diesel, 09 Heartland Cyclone 4012
Front 5040lbs
Rear 5260lbs
(300 lbs over recommeneded truck total of 10k, but 700lbs left on the rear axel/tires)
Trailer 6700lbs
Total 17000lbs
Drops a little when loaded but not enough to warrant bags at all and I get 10 to 12 mpg (depending on terrain) at 65mph.
(Not pulling the boat either, never pulled doubles with it)
2014 CrossRoads LHF29BH
2012 F250 FX4 PSD
2008 Skeeter ZX250
DW-gray wrote:
If you included the hitch system with the 500 pounds of cargo, and also checked the 5th wheel hitch option, that would be incorrect. But if you meant 1000 pounds of cargo and passengers, plus selecting the hitch, 9500 pounds towing capacity @20% is correct.
The GVWR is the limiting the towing capacity and that is very common with 3/4 ton trucks. The engine and transmission is not any different than the 1 ton trucks. But it could be the springs or gear ratio or the brakes or axle or wheels or any combination that keeps the 3/4 ton from handling much pin weight. There are a lot of 3/4 tons that are towing 5th wheels while exceeding GVWR and GAWR as shown on the certification label.
JustLookin wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding the RV Tow Check 2.0 calculator. I am looking to upgrade both truck and a 5ver and want to know what the correct towing capacity is of any new truck I buy before shopping for the trailer. I'm looking at a 2015 F250, 4x2, crew cab, 6.7l Turbo diesel with a 3.73. I find the GCWR is 31,900, the GVWR is 9900, I set the GVW at 6800 (curb wt.), gear and cargo at 500 and passengers at 500. At a 20% pin weight the calculator shows such a truck would have a 9500 lb. towing capacity for a fifth wheel. Am I interpreting this right? That seems low for what I have observed on the road and its well below Ford's published 23,600 lb maximum loaded 5th wheel weight for such a truck in their towing guide. Thanks in advance.
I'm having trouble understanding the RV Tow Check 2.0 calculator. I am looking to upgrade both truck and a 5ver and want to know what the correct towing capacity is of any new truck I buy before shopping for the trailer. I'm looking at a 2015 F250, 4x2, crew cab, 6.7l Turbo diesel with a 3.73. I find the GCWR is 31,900, the GVWR is 9900, I set the GVW at 6800 (curb wt.), gear and cargo at 500 and passengers at 500. At a 20% pin weight the calculator shows such a truck would have a 9500 lb. towing capacity for a fifth wheel. Am I interpreting this right? That seems low for what I have observed on the road and its well below Ford's published 23,600 lb maximum loaded 5th wheel weight for such a truck in their towing guide. Thanks in advance.
If you included the hitch system with the 500 pounds of cargo, and also checked the 5th wheel hitch option, that would be incorrect. But if you meant 1000 pounds of cargo and passengers, plus selecting the hitch, 9500 pounds towing capacity @20% is correct.
The GVWR is the limiting the towing capacity and that is very common with 3/4 ton trucks. The engine and transmission is not any different than the 1 ton trucks. But it could be the springs or gear ratio or the brakes or axle or wheels or any combination that keeps the 3/4 ton from handling much pin weight. There are a lot of 3/4 tons that are towing 5th wheels while exceeding GVWR and GAWR as shown on the certification label.
While they may be exceeding their GVWR, many are still well with in the GRAWR for their TV.
I know this is how I tow, the 250/2500's fill a registration loophole in many states by keeping the GVWR at 10,000# or less, equals hundreds of dollars in registration fees.
Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#
"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"
rhagfo wrote:
While they may be exceeding their GVWR, many are still well with in the GRAWR for their TV.
I know this is how I tow, the 250/2500's fill a registration loophole in many states by keeping the GVWR at 10,000# or less, equals hundreds of dollars in registration fees.
DW-gray wrote:
If you included the hitch system with the 500 pounds of cargo, and also checked the 5th wheel hitch option, that would be incorrect. But if you meant 1000 pounds of cargo and passengers, plus selecting the hitch, 9500 pounds towing capacity @20% is correct.
The GVWR is the limiting the towing capacity and that is very common with 3/4 ton trucks. The engine and transmission is not any different than the 1 ton trucks. But it could be the springs or gear ratio or the brakes or axle or wheels or any combination that keeps the 3/4 ton from handling much pin weight. There are a lot of 3/4 tons that are towing 5th wheels while exceeding GVWR and GAWR as shown on the certification label.
JustLookin wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding the RV Tow Check 2.0 calculator. I am looking to upgrade both truck and a 5ver and want to know what the correct towing capacity is of any new truck I buy before shopping for the trailer. I'm looking at a 2015 F250, 4x2, crew cab, 6.7l Turbo diesel with a 3.73. I find the GCWR is 31,900, the GVWR is 9900, I set the GVW at 6800 (curb wt.), gear and cargo at 500 and passengers at 500. At a 20% pin weight the calculator shows such a truck would have a 9500 lb. towing capacity for a fifth wheel. Am I interpreting this right? That seems low for what I have observed on the road and its well below Ford's published 23,600 lb maximum loaded 5th wheel weight for such a truck in their towing guide. Thanks in advance.
I'm having trouble understanding the RV Tow Check 2.0 calculator. I am looking to upgrade both truck and a 5ver and want to know what the correct towing capacity is of any new truck I buy before shopping for the trailer. I'm looking at a 2015 F250, 4x2, crew cab, 6.7l Turbo diesel with a 3.73. I find the GCWR is 31,900, the GVWR is 9900, I set the GVW at 6800 (curb wt.), gear and cargo at 500 and passengers at 500. At a 20% pin weight the calculator shows such a truck would have a 9500 lb. towing capacity for a fifth wheel. Am I interpreting this right? That seems low for what I have observed on the road and its well below Ford's published 23,600 lb maximum loaded 5th wheel weight for such a truck in their towing guide. Thanks in advance.
If you included the hitch system with the 500 pounds of cargo, and also checked the 5th wheel hitch option, that would be incorrect. But if you meant 1000 pounds of cargo and passengers, plus selecting the hitch, 9500 pounds towing capacity @20% is correct.
The GVWR is the limiting the towing capacity and that is very common with 3/4 ton trucks. The engine and transmission is not any different than the 1 ton trucks. But it could be the springs or gear ratio or the brakes or axle or wheels or any combination that keeps the 3/4 ton from handling much pin weight. There are a lot of 3/4 tons that are towing 5th wheels while exceeding GVWR and GAWR as shown on the certification label.
While they may be exceeding their GVWR, many are still well with in the GRAWR for their TV.
I know this is how I tow, the 250/2500's fill a registration loophole in many states by keeping the GVWR at 10,000# or less, equals hundreds of dollars in registration fees.
You are correct in saying, "While they may be exceeding their GVWR, many are still well with in the GRAWR for their TV." The reality is that all manufacturers state that none of the ratings should be exceeded primarily for the reasons of safety, vehicle longevity, and in some cases, to prevent the risk of voiding the warranty.