DW-gray wrote:
I ran your numbers: GCWR - 22000, GVWR - 9200, GVW - 8180, Passengers - 420
With 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 2000
Without 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 3000
How well does your truck tow the 5th wheel going up a 3-5% grade? I suspect the truck's GVWR and rear GAWR is well overloaded. I'm fascinated. Maybe we should continue this conversation via PM.
Tumbleweed79 wrote:
GVWR: 9,200 lbs., GVW: w/o passengers with full fuel (100 gal.) 8,180, 420 lbs. of passengers, Rear Axle: 4,000 lbs., Front Axle: 4,200 lbs.
I don't carry it full of fuel, but that was what I weighed it when I was pulling the Bumper pull. 70 gallons is about what I will fill it up when I hit a truck stop.
DW-gray wrote:
It looks the the GCWR for your truck is 22,000. What is the GVWR and your GVW and any additional weight?
Tumbleweed79 wrote:
Though no one answered my question directly, I tried the app and it says that with a 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD 6.6L LBZ, I can tow 1,700 lbs with a 5th wheel. I tried it three or four times.
Wow! I am WAAAYYY over that!![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/wink.gif "wink")
Though no one answered my question directly, I tried the app and it says that with a 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD 6.6L LBZ, I can tow 1,700 lbs with a 5th wheel. I tried it three or four times.
Wow! I am WAAAYYY over that!
It looks the the GCWR for your truck is 22,000. What is the GVWR and your GVW and any additional weight?
GVWR: 9,200 lbs., GVW: w/o passengers with full fuel (100 gal.) 8,180, 420 lbs. of passengers, Rear Axle: 4,000 lbs., Front Axle: 4,200 lbs.
I don't carry it full of fuel, but that was what I weighed it when I was pulling the Bumper pull. 70 gallons is about what I will fill it up when I hit a truck stop.
I ran your numbers: GCWR - 22000, GVWR - 9200, GVW - 8180, Passengers - 420
With 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 2000
Without 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 3000
How well does your truck tow the 5th wheel going up a 3-5% grade? I suspect the truck's GVWR and rear GAWR is well overloaded. I'm fascinated. Maybe we should continue this conversation via PM.
I know what the calculator says and it makes NO SENSE. :-) Grades can slow it down, like any unit, but there is not really a limit on how fast I can go if I pour the coal on. The hardest pull I had was coming out of Salt Lake City basin headed north. Though I don't have an EGT probe, I know I was pretty hot. Yet, even then I didn't have a problem maintaining 60-65 mph. I am not chipped, but do have aftermarket air intake and a aftermarket exhaust. I have pulled over the Rockies twice with no problems.
Yes, it is likely the GVWR and GAWR is overloaded. Next time I pull I am going to hit a scale like I did when we pulled our Travel trailer.
Tumbleweed79 wrote:
I know what the calculator says and it makes NO SENSE. :-) Grades can slow it down, like any unit, but there is not really a limit on how fast I can go if I pour the coal on. The hardest pull I had was coming out of Salt Lake City basin headed north. Though I don't have an EGT probe, I know I was pretty hot. Yet, even then I didn't have a problem maintaining 60-65 mph. I am not chipped, but do have aftermarket air intake and a aftermarket exhaust. I have pulled over the Rockies twice with no problems.
Yes, it is likely the GVWR and GAWR is overloaded. Next time I pull I am going to hit a scale like I did when we pulled our Travel trailer.
DW-gray wrote:
I ran your numbers: GCWR - 22000, GVWR - 9200, GVW - 8180, Passengers - 420
With 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 2000
Without 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 3000
How well does your truck tow the 5th wheel going up a 3-5% grade? I suspect the truck's GVWR and rear GAWR is well overloaded. I'm fascinated. Maybe we should continue this conversation via PM.
Tumbleweed79 wrote:
GVWR: 9,200 lbs., GVW: w/o passengers with full fuel (100 gal.) 8,180, 420 lbs. of passengers, Rear Axle: 4,000 lbs., Front Axle: 4,200 lbs.
I don't carry it full of fuel, but that was what I weighed it when I was pulling the Bumper pull. 70 gallons is about what I will fill it up when I hit a truck stop.
DW-gray wrote:
It looks the the GCWR for your truck is 22,000. What is the GVWR and your GVW and any additional weight?
Tumbleweed79 wrote:
Though no one answered my question directly, I tried the app and it says that with a 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD 6.6L LBZ, I can tow 1,700 lbs with a 5th wheel. I tried it three or four times.
Wow! I am WAAAYYY over that!
Though no one answered my question directly, I tried the app and it says that with a 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD 6.6L LBZ, I can tow 1,700 lbs with a 5th wheel. I tried it three or four times.
Wow! I am WAAAYYY over that!
It looks the the GCWR for your truck is 22,000. What is the GVWR and your GVW and any additional weight?
GVWR: 9,200 lbs., GVW: w/o passengers with full fuel (100 gal.) 8,180, 420 lbs. of passengers, Rear Axle: 4,000 lbs., Front Axle: 4,200 lbs.
I don't carry it full of fuel, but that was what I weighed it when I was pulling the Bumper pull. 70 gallons is about what I will fill it up when I hit a truck stop.
I ran your numbers: GCWR - 22000, GVWR - 9200, GVW - 8180, Passengers - 420
With 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 2000
Without 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 3000
How well does your truck tow the 5th wheel going up a 3-5% grade? I suspect the truck's GVWR and rear GAWR is well overloaded. I'm fascinated. Maybe we should continue this conversation via PM.
I know what the calculator says and it makes NO SENSE. :-) Grades can slow it down, like any unit, but there is not really a limit on how fast I can go if I pour the coal on. The hardest pull I had was coming out of Salt Lake City basin headed north. Though I don't have an EGT probe, I know I was pretty hot. Yet, even then I didn't have a problem maintaining 60-65 mph. I am not chipped, but do have aftermarket air intake and a aftermarket exhaust. I have pulled over the Rockies twice with no problems.
Yes, it is likely the GVWR and GAWR is overloaded. Next time I pull I am going to hit a scale like I did when we pulled our Travel trailer.
The calculator computes tow capacity on the available payload of the vehicle to avoid exceeding the GVWR.
GVWR - GVW - Additional cargo = Available payload
Your truck's available payload is 600 pounds. Calculating towing capacity with 20% PW comes out to be 3000 pounds. If the PW was kept down to 15%, the truck could tow, without exceeding ratings, 4000 pounds.
If the towing capacity was calculated with the standard method that has been used for years, the dealer would tell you that the truck could tow 13,400 pounds. (GCWR - GVW = Towing Capacity) The potential PW @20% would be 2,680 pounds.
2,680 + (rear GAW) 4,000 = 6,680 pounds on the rear axle. How much is that over your truck's rear GAWR?
6,680 + (front GAW) 4,200 = 10,880 pounds. That exceeds the GVWR by 1,680 pounds.
* This post was edited 10/02/14 11:22am by DW-gray *
Dave Gray
RV Safety Educator & Consultant
08 Dodge Ram 3500 4X4, Dually, 6.7L Diesel, 09 Heartland Cyclone 4012
GAWRR: 6,084 lbs.
That is a BIG difference... Ha!
Steer Axle= 5400# (FAWR is 6,000#).
Drive Axle = 3840# (RAWR is 9750#) (AAM rates it at 11,800#).
Gross weight was 9240#.
add the two boxers (80 +55=135) + DW, 120 (don't tell I told
![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile")
= 255 additional lbs of weight...gives gross weight of 9495#GVWR of the truck is 14,000#, so even with my 5er hooked up with a hitch weight of 3500#, that will put gross weight at 12,995# ( 9495# + 3500#= 12,995#)....GVWR of 14,000# still has me 1,000# under my trucks GVWR. and well under my RAWR of 9750# . (3840# truck empty +pin weight of 3500#= 7340#, which is 2,410# under my trucks RAWR of 9750#).
Around Thanksgiving, on the way back from camping, will re-weigh with 5er hooked up, last weight on it was pin weight of 3500# (was lighter before, but put a generator in the front of the 5er to have in case of an emergency...GVW of the 5er is 16,975# and last time weighed, it was 16,120#
Jim & Kathy, (Boxers, Buddy & Sheba)
2016 Ram 3500 DRW Longhorn 4X4/CC/LB/Aisin/4.10/rear air assist ...Pearl White.
2016 DRV MS 36RSSB3/ W&D/ slide toppers/ DTV satellite/ 5.5K Onan propane gen.
B&W RVK3600 Hitch
Fulltiming in WV & TX
USAF 71-75 Viet Nam Vet
NC Hauler wrote:
Re-weighed my truck today....I had put a Westin HDX stainless steel brush guard on my truck a few months back...so I weighed the truck today with just me in it.....full tank of fuel, full tank of DEF, picture frame adapter with Reese 20K signature 5er hitch mounted to the adapter and a tool box with about 75-80# in it....
Steer Axle= 5400# (FAWR is 6,000#).
Drive Axle = 3840# (RAWR is 9750#) (AAM rates it at 11,800#).
Gross weight was 9240#.
add the two boxers (80 +55=135) + DW, 120 (don't tell I told = 255 additional lbs of weight...gives gross weight of 9495#
GVWR of the truck is 14,000#, so even with my 5er hooked up with a hitch weight of 3500#, that will put gross weight at 12,995# ( 9495# + 3500#= 12,995#)....GVWR of 14,000# still has me 1,000# under my trucks GVWR. and well under my RAWR of 9750# . (3840# truck empty +pin weight of 3500#= 7340#, which is 2,410# under my trucks RAWR of 9750#).
Around Thanksgiving, on the way back from camping, will re-weigh with 5er hooked up, last weight on it was pin weight of 3500# (was lighter before, but put a generator in the front of the 5er to have in case of an emergency...GVW of the 5er is 16,975# and last time weighed, it was 16,120#
Re-weighed my truck today....I had put a Westin HDX stainless steel brush guard on my truck a few months back...so I weighed the truck today with just me in it.....full tank of fuel, full tank of DEF, picture frame adapter with Reese 20K signature 5er hitch mounted to the adapter and a tool box with about 75-80# in it....
Steer Axle= 5400# (FAWR is 6,000#).
Drive Axle = 3840# (RAWR is 9750#) (AAM rates it at 11,800#).
Gross weight was 9240#.
add the two boxers (80 +55=135) + DW, 120 (don't tell I told
= 255 additional lbs of weight...gives gross weight of 9495#GVWR of the truck is 14,000#, so even with my 5er hooked up with a hitch weight of 3500#, that will put gross weight at 12,995# ( 9495# + 3500#= 12,995#)....GVWR of 14,000# still has me 1,000# under my trucks GVWR. and well under my RAWR of 9750# . (3840# truck empty +pin weight of 3500#= 7340#, which is 2,410# under my trucks RAWR of 9750#).
Around Thanksgiving, on the way back from camping, will re-weigh with 5er hooked up, last weight on it was pin weight of 3500# (was lighter before, but put a generator in the front of the 5er to have in case of an emergency...GVW of the 5er is 16,975# and last time weighed, it was 16,120#
What truck is that?
SmittysRV wrote:
What truck is that?
NC Hauler wrote:
Re-weighed my truck today....I had put a Westin HDX stainless steel brush guard on my truck a few months back...so I weighed the truck today with just me in it.....full tank of fuel, full tank of DEF, picture frame adapter with Reese 20K signature 5er hitch mounted to the adapter and a tool box with about 75-80# in it....
Steer Axle= 5400# (FAWR is 6,000#).
Drive Axle = 3840# (RAWR is 9750#) (AAM rates it at 11,800#).
Gross weight was 9240#.
add the two boxers (80 +55=135) + DW, 120 (don't tell I told = 255 additional lbs of weight...gives gross weight of 9495#
GVWR of the truck is 14,000#, so even with my 5er hooked up with a hitch weight of 3500#, that will put gross weight at 12,995# ( 9495# + 3500#= 12,995#)....GVWR of 14,000# still has me 1,000# under my trucks GVWR. and well under my RAWR of 9750# . (3840# truck empty +pin weight of 3500#= 7340#, which is 2,410# under my trucks RAWR of 9750#).
Around Thanksgiving, on the way back from camping, will re-weigh with 5er hooked up, last weight on it was pin weight of 3500# (was lighter before, but put a generator in the front of the 5er to have in case of an emergency...GVW of the 5er is 16,975# and last time weighed, it was 16,120#
Re-weighed my truck today....I had put a Westin HDX stainless steel brush guard on my truck a few months back...so I weighed the truck today with just me in it.....full tank of fuel, full tank of DEF, picture frame adapter with Reese 20K signature 5er hitch mounted to the adapter and a tool box with about 75-80# in it....
Steer Axle= 5400# (FAWR is 6,000#).
Drive Axle = 3840# (RAWR is 9750#) (AAM rates it at 11,800#).
Gross weight was 9240#.
add the two boxers (80 +55=135) + DW, 120 (don't tell I told
= 255 additional lbs of weight...gives gross weight of 9495#GVWR of the truck is 14,000#, so even with my 5er hooked up with a hitch weight of 3500#, that will put gross weight at 12,995# ( 9495# + 3500#= 12,995#)....GVWR of 14,000# still has me 1,000# under my trucks GVWR. and well under my RAWR of 9750# . (3840# truck empty +pin weight of 3500#= 7340#, which is 2,410# under my trucks RAWR of 9750#).
Around Thanksgiving, on the way back from camping, will re-weigh with 5er hooked up, last weight on it was pin weight of 3500# (was lighter before, but put a generator in the front of the 5er to have in case of an emergency...GVW of the 5er is 16,975# and last time weighed, it was 16,120#
What truck is that?
Truck in my sig...2013 Ram 3500 crew cab/long bed/4X4 with Cummins & Aisin tranny in Laramie Longhorn trim...385HP/850ftlb of TQ and with 4:10 rear end truck has a GCWR of a little over 37,000#..though it'll never be loaded to that weight...not hardly
NC Hauler wrote:
Truck in my sig...2013 Ram 3500 crew cab/long bed/4X4 with Cummins & Aisin tranny in Laramie Longhorn trim...385HP/850ftlb of TQ and with 4:10 rear end truck has a GCWR of a little over 37,000#..though it'll never be loaded to that weight...not hardly
SmittysRV wrote:
What truck is that?
NC Hauler wrote:
Re-weighed my truck today....I had put a Westin HDX stainless steel brush guard on my truck a few months back...so I weighed the truck today with just me in it.....full tank of fuel, full tank of DEF, picture frame adapter with Reese 20K signature 5er hitch mounted to the adapter and a tool box with about 75-80# in it....
Steer Axle= 5400# (FAWR is 6,000#).
Drive Axle = 3840# (RAWR is 9750#) (AAM rates it at 11,800#).
Gross weight was 9240#.
add the two boxers (80 +55=135) + DW, 120 (don't tell I told = 255 additional lbs of weight...gives gross weight of 9495#
GVWR of the truck is 14,000#, so even with my 5er hooked up with a hitch weight of 3500#, that will put gross weight at 12,995# ( 9495# + 3500#= 12,995#)....GVWR of 14,000# still has me 1,000# under my trucks GVWR. and well under my RAWR of 9750# . (3840# truck empty +pin weight of 3500#= 7340#, which is 2,410# under my trucks RAWR of 9750#).
Around Thanksgiving, on the way back from camping, will re-weigh with 5er hooked up, last weight on it was pin weight of 3500# (was lighter before, but put a generator in the front of the 5er to have in case of an emergency...GVW of the 5er is 16,975# and last time weighed, it was 16,120#
Re-weighed my truck today....I had put a Westin HDX stainless steel brush guard on my truck a few months back...so I weighed the truck today with just me in it.....full tank of fuel, full tank of DEF, picture frame adapter with Reese 20K signature 5er hitch mounted to the adapter and a tool box with about 75-80# in it....
Steer Axle= 5400# (FAWR is 6,000#).
Drive Axle = 3840# (RAWR is 9750#) (AAM rates it at 11,800#).
Gross weight was 9240#.
add the two boxers (80 +55=135) + DW, 120 (don't tell I told
= 255 additional lbs of weight...gives gross weight of 9495#GVWR of the truck is 14,000#, so even with my 5er hooked up with a hitch weight of 3500#, that will put gross weight at 12,995# ( 9495# + 3500#= 12,995#)....GVWR of 14,000# still has me 1,000# under my trucks GVWR. and well under my RAWR of 9750# . (3840# truck empty +pin weight of 3500#= 7340#, which is 2,410# under my trucks RAWR of 9750#).
Around Thanksgiving, on the way back from camping, will re-weigh with 5er hooked up, last weight on it was pin weight of 3500# (was lighter before, but put a generator in the front of the 5er to have in case of an emergency...GVW of the 5er is 16,975# and last time weighed, it was 16,120#
What truck is that?
Truck in my sig...2013 Ram 3500 crew cab/long bed/4X4 with Cummins & Aisin tranny in Laramie Longhorn trim...385HP/850ftlb of TQ and with 4:10 rear end truck has a GCWR of a little over 37,000#..though it'll never be loaded to that weight...not hardly
Sounds like a very solid Tow Vehicle... My 2006 F550 only has a 33K GCWR...
SmittysRV wrote:
Sounds like a very solid Tow Vehicle... My 2006 F550 only has a 33K GCWR...
NC Hauler wrote:
Truck in my sig...2013 Ram 3500 crew cab/long bed/4X4 with Cummins & Aisin tranny in Laramie Longhorn trim...385HP/850ftlb of TQ and with 4:10 rear end truck has a GCWR of a little over 37,000#..though it'll never be loaded to that weight...not hardly
SmittysRV wrote:
What truck is that?
NC Hauler wrote:
Re-weighed my truck today....I had put a Westin HDX stainless steel brush guard on my truck a few months back...so I weighed the truck today with just me in it.....full tank of fuel, full tank of DEF, picture frame adapter with Reese 20K signature 5er hitch mounted to the adapter and a tool box with about 75-80# in it....
Steer Axle= 5400# (FAWR is 6,000#).
Drive Axle = 3840# (RAWR is 9750#) (AAM rates it at 11,800#).
Gross weight was 9240#.
add the two boxers (80 +55=135) + DW, 120 (don't tell I told = 255 additional lbs of weight...gives gross weight of 9495#
GVWR of the truck is 14,000#, so even with my 5er hooked up with a hitch weight of 3500#, that will put gross weight at 12,995# ( 9495# + 3500#= 12,995#)....GVWR of 14,000# still has me 1,000# under my trucks GVWR. and well under my RAWR of 9750# . (3840# truck empty +pin weight of 3500#= 7340#, which is 2,410# under my trucks RAWR of 9750#).
Around Thanksgiving, on the way back from camping, will re-weigh with 5er hooked up, last weight on it was pin weight of 3500# (was lighter before, but put a generator in the front of the 5er to have in case of an emergency...GVW of the 5er is 16,975# and last time weighed, it was 16,120#
Re-weighed my truck today....I had put a Westin HDX stainless steel brush guard on my truck a few months back...so I weighed the truck today with just me in it.....full tank of fuel, full tank of DEF, picture frame adapter with Reese 20K signature 5er hitch mounted to the adapter and a tool box with about 75-80# in it....
Steer Axle= 5400# (FAWR is 6,000#).
Drive Axle = 3840# (RAWR is 9750#) (AAM rates it at 11,800#).
Gross weight was 9240#.
add the two boxers (80 +55=135) + DW, 120 (don't tell I told
= 255 additional lbs of weight...gives gross weight of 9495#GVWR of the truck is 14,000#, so even with my 5er hooked up with a hitch weight of 3500#, that will put gross weight at 12,995# ( 9495# + 3500#= 12,995#)....GVWR of 14,000# still has me 1,000# under my trucks GVWR. and well under my RAWR of 9750# . (3840# truck empty +pin weight of 3500#= 7340#, which is 2,410# under my trucks RAWR of 9750#).
Around Thanksgiving, on the way back from camping, will re-weigh with 5er hooked up, last weight on it was pin weight of 3500# (was lighter before, but put a generator in the front of the 5er to have in case of an emergency...GVW of the 5er is 16,975# and last time weighed, it was 16,120#
What truck is that?
Truck in my sig...2013 Ram 3500 crew cab/long bed/4X4 with Cummins & Aisin tranny in Laramie Longhorn trim...385HP/850ftlb of TQ and with 4:10 rear end truck has a GCWR of a little over 37,000#..though it'll never be loaded to that weight...not hardly
Sounds like a very solid Tow Vehicle... My 2006 F550 only has a 33K GCWR...
Truck was totally revamped in 2013, brand new frame, new front end, new rear end, beefed up suspension, dual cooling components,...toss in the Aisin tranny and it gave you the 385HP and 850ftlb of TQ numbers. GVWR went from 12,200# in 2012 to 14,000# in 2013...GCWR, to me, is a bit much, but that is the rated GCWR for my truck with the Aisin tranny and the 4:10 rear end....It really handles my 5er quite effortlessly....Have plenty of room to "go bigger", should I choose to...and you're right, it is a very solid TV...it's also my daily driver
Truck actual weight with ΒΌ tank of fuel, 6420lbs., my weight 165lbs, 6585lbs gross weight. Fifth Wheel towing Cap. 14,300lbs ,GCWR 20,500
Bighorn 3070 Dry weight 10852 lbs. GVWR 14,000, GAWR 6,000
Combined Truck and Bighorn 18,600lbs.