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Topic: Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

Posted By: krz71 on 04/10/10 05:53am

What do you mean with regards to getting a higher GCWR? I assumed that the GCWR set by the manufacturer is the highest it can be, and can't be changed?

Posted By: herkybc130 on 04/10/10 08:29pm

I had heard that you could get your TV re-certified for a higher GCWR. I wish I had my truck and 5th wheel weighed before actually purchasing the unit. I would not have bought what I did if I had known what the total weight was. Not that my TV isn't more than capable of pulling my 5'er. But as it stands now, I am 500 lbs over my max GCWR. Maybe an excuse to buy a F450?

Posted By: Sharopete on 04/19/10 09:00am

The real deal:

2005 Dodge Ram 3500 SRW, Banks brake, rear air, Prodigy P3
2008 Titanium 34E39QSSA

TV ratings
FAWR 5200 lb RAWR 6200 lb GVWR 9900 lb GCWR 23000 lb
TV passengers and gear per scale
FAW 4600 lb RAW 3100 GVW 7700 lb
As above plus loaded trailer
FAW 4620 lb RAW 5860 lb GVW 10480 lb GCW 20960 lb
Trailer GVWR 14,680 lb loaded 13,260 lb

Tows happy, stops great (electric hydraulic and prodigy P3)so I'm going to ignore that 580lb area of excess. :-)

* This post was edited 04/19/10 09:08am by Sharopete *

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2005 Ram 3500
2008 Titanium 34E39QSSA

Posted By: Fire5er on 04/20/10 10:01am

2006 Ford F-350 6.0 PSD 4x4 LB SRW
2007 Keystone Montana, 3400RL (38’ 9”)

Weighed with 350+ lbs of occupants (DW and me), hitch, 30+ gals diesel, trailer full for weekend type camping.

Truck Only
Steer Axle = Rating 5,600 = Actual 4,760
Drive Axle = Rating 7,000= Actual 3,229
GVWR = Rating 11,400 = Actual 7,989
Max GCVW 23,000

Truck & Trailer
Truck Steer Axle = 4,780
Truck Drive Axle = 5,620
Pin Weight = 2,411
5er Front Axle = 5,315
5er Rear Axle = 5,205

GCVW
20,920

* This post was edited 04/20/10 10:09am by Fire5er *

2011 F350 CC, 6.7, LB, DRW.
Hijacker (24-UMS-21) 21k Underbox Hitch.
2014 Big Sky Montana
PressurePro Tire Pressure Monitoring System.

Posted By: capemayal on 04/24/10 07:30pm

2009 HR Presidential Suite 37RLQ 16060#
2006 F350 Lariat CC LB 4x2 DRW Diesel 8360#
GCW 24420#

2018 K-Z Durango Gold 380FLF
2010 Ford F250 Lariat SRW Long

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Posted By: PINELLAS on 05/30/10 07:06pm

My 2009 Dodge Quad Cab Longbed 4x4 dually diesel with a 4:10 axle is rated at the following:
Steer Axle 5200 lbs.
Drive Axle 9350 lbs.
GVW (Gross Vehicle Weight) 12200 lbs.
GCVW (Gross Combined Vehicle Weight) 24000 lbs. with 4:10 axle
Max Trailer Weight 16900 lbs

Okay, let's get to the numbers! We are full timers so are rig was weighed with everything we carry. On my first weigh with the rig (truck and trailer) and a 1/2 tank of diesel, my Certified weigh ticket reported:

Steer Axle 4760 lbs. (Rated for 5200 lbs.)
Drive Axle 6800 lbs. (Dually rated for 9350 lbs.)
Trailer Axles 12380 lbs. (combined axles rated for 14000 lbs.)
Gross Weight 23940 lbs. (Truck GCVW rated for 24000 lbs.)

So, with all of those numbers in mind, I'm within the manufacturer's rated weights on my truck. With the trailer my GVW on the truck is 11560 lbs., well under the rated 12200 lbs. However, I'm only 60 lbs. under the manufacturer's GCVW of 24000 lbs. Now I should note that the GCVW is considerably less with a 3.73 rear axle at 21000 lbs.

I went back to the scales after unhitching from our Cameo fifth wheel to weigh the truck separately. The truck only had a 1/2 tank of diesel but was loaded just as if traveling to include the dogs, storage box, hitch, inflatable kayak, satellite tripod, gray tote tank etc. The results of the truck weigh were as follows:

Steer Axle: 4980
Drive Axle: 3740
Gross Weight: 8720

Now it's interesting to note that with the fifth wheel hitched it transfers 220 lbs. of truck weight off the steer axle and onto the drive axle.

The numbers for our 2010 Cameo F35SB3 are:
hitch weight: 2820 lbs.
Axles weight: 12380
total weight: 15220 lbs.
The manufacturer's GVW rating is 14999 lbs.
So, we are over the GVW on the fifth wheel by 221 lbs. That's with about 20 gallons of water in the storage tank and empty grey and black tanks

America by RV
2009 Dodge 3500 4x4 Laramie
2010 Carriage Cameo F35SB3

Posted By: zztinker on 06/01/10 05:06pm

06 Ford 350 PSD SRD LB #7780
2010 Jayco RLDS Eagle Super light, loaded, without water #9860
Truck And Trailer:
Steer axle #4380
Drive Axle #5560
Trailer Axle #7700
Total Weight 17640
Pin Weight 2240
Trailer pulls like a dream, love it.....

2010 Jayco Eagle Super Lite 31.5RLDS Fifth Wheel, 2006 Ford 350 PSD SRW, long Bed, Champion 2000i inverter Generator and a Champion 3500/4000 Gen.

Posted By: trucker LOU on 06/02/10 07:27pm

2000ford f-250 PSD Banks brake,tool box,generator,full fuel,ready to go
2010 Springdale 242 5th,full water,propane,1/2 blk & grey loaded ready to go plus 4 custom storage lockers.
Frt axle-----4160
Rear axle----4220
Trlr axles---6400
Trlr gross---7700
Trlr pin wt.-1300
Gross comb wt.14,720

Posted By: coozy on 06/05/10 09:55am

I am a 5th wheel want-a be! I would like some advice on the 5th wheel towing capacity for the rig we are thinking of buying.

We brought a 2010 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Crew Cab, 4x4, 6'6'' box, Duramax Diesel 6.6L V8 turbo, Allison transmission, 3.73 axle, with the 5th wheel trailing and Z71 packages. The GVWR is 9200#, GAWR Front 4860# Rear 6884#, GCWR 22,000#. The Chevy dealer helped me pick out a truck to tow a 5th wheel and says "this truck will haul anything".

We are considering buying a Montana 3400RL with the Mor/ryde suspension system and several options. The shipping weight is 12460#, carrying capacity 3180#, hitch (King pin weight?) is 2140#, Fresh 66 gal., Waste 50gal., Grey 93gal., and LPG 60#. Tire size is 234/80R16E.
The RV dealer says we will have "no problem" towing the 5th wheel with our truck (because it is a diesel).

We would like to know what experienced 5th wheel owners think of this rig set up!

After we retire next May, we intend to use the rig for a three month trip to Alaska!! Any advice on planning for that trip would be appreciated as well. Thank you.

Posted By: amfisher on 06/05/10 10:29am

Be careful with a 3/4 ton and a unit that weighs that much. We have a Cameo which has a dry weight of approx. 11250 and pull with a one ton dually. The issue is not the diesel but the bed-load capacity and the GVW of the truck. We too were told " that truck will pull anything", and the dealer was wrong. If you are searching for stability, comfort and safety, just be careful. I made a mistake of believing a dealer, and it cost me dearly. I know many will extol the virtues of the diesel and a 3/4 ton, but to me there is no comparison between a one ton and a 3/4.
I tried to send you a spread sheet sent me by a knowledgeable person on this subject but I cannot copy it to this post. PM me and I'll try to send it to you. alan [email protected]

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