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Open Roads Forum  >  Tow Vehicles  > Towing beasts we have Reply to Topic  |  Subscribe  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  |  Oldest first Newest first  Page of 4   Next bradyk • View posts Calgary, Alberta Senior Member Joined: 07/12/2003 View Profile Offline Posted: 02/09/12 11:14am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator I was reading on one of the other sections this morning in regards to a new Winnie Class C based on the Sprinter chassis with the 3L diesel. What caught my eye when I linked with their website was the weight capacity of this thing. The GVWR is 11,030 and the GCWR is 15,250 (copied off website). If this little 3L is capable of taking care of 11k and 15k weight with that little 3L diesel what kind of weights would our North American diesels be rated for if they were put into the same units especially the GCWR. In theory you should almost be able to tow a second unit behind you of the same weight. I guess my question really is are we moving to some different weight/tow ratings in the future based on some smaller engines like the above and the Ecoboosts of this world coming out. As long as your tow vehicle is capable of the weight load and stopping it we can put small engines and still be able to tow the 15k fifth wheel down the road and not need a 6l or more size diesel to pull it along. What do you guys think? I would love a 3/4 ton truck that I could drive everyday to work and get good gas and still be able to pull a 10k+ trailer or fifth on the weekend. I know we are close with the f150 but I am speaking more of the 3/4 to 1 ton trucks as they have done in the Winnie. http://www.gowinnebago.com/products/2011/view_profile/specifications/ 2001 Chevrolet 2500hd Silverado LT 4x4 6.0L/4.10 2005 KZ Outdoorsmen 2605PF Champion 4000W Generator Champion 2000W Generator Ken & Sandra Yugi Dog, Jet Dog 16 Foot Renken Fishing boat dodge guy • View posts Bartlett IL Senior Member Joined: 03/23/2004 View Profile Offline Posted: 02/09/12 11:33am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator SHHHHHH, your going to wake up the weight police! they don`t want anyone to know any of this! Wife Kim Son Brandon 10yrs Daughter Marissa 9yrs Dog Shadow 07 Cherokee 32B 02 Excursion 4X4 V-10 4.30 gear Hellwig sway bar Reese HP dualcam,Prodigy brake controller. A bad day of camping is better than a good day at work! jerem0621 • View posts SE Tennessee Senior Member Joined: 05/17/2009 View Profile Offline Posted: 02/09/12 11:49am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator Just look at the hp and torque ratings from 15 years ago. People have towed large loads for years with less than 300 hp and less than 400 lb ft of torque. Thanks TT: 1995 Layton 2910 Tow Vehicle: 1999 F-350, v10, , 2wd, Crew Cab, Dually Hitch: Draw-Tite Trunnion WD Hitch with Reese Dual-Cam sway control ib516 • View posts Up here! Senior Member Joined: 04/18/2003 View Profile Posted: 02/09/12 12:43pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator It all depends on what kind of performance you want out of it. With the correct gearing, you can get a very low hp/tq engine to move a large load, just not very fast. Winnebago might just have different performance standards than the pickup truck manufacturers do. That is likely due to the fact that magazine after magazine tests the big 3 diesels head to head and publishes the results, and we all talk about them. Not too many tests like that using mini motorhomes. 2010 Cougar 322QBS 5er 2007 Dodge 3500 SRW Megacab, 4x4, 5.9L Cummins, 3.73, 48RE auto HYPERTECH MAX ENERGY Scangauge2 for Boost, Coolant temp, rail press & Trans Temp PICS Collision Reconstructionist, CDR (automotive "black box") download technician/analyst 45Ricochet • View posts North Idaho Senior Member Joined: 09/04/2009 View Profile Posted: 02/09/12 02:15pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator Well they are going to need a diet then What's a new F250 weigh ? about 8k? With a GCWR (most overrated rating) of 15k your trailer max weight would be 7k It would work for some folks who don't tow much weight or some of the flatlanders. I don't think many folks here would be happy with that TV. 06 Dodge 3500 CC LB Laramie 4x4 Dually 5.9 Cummins 325/610 48RE Jacobs brake Smarty Jr GVWR 12,200 Payload 4580 06 Grand Junction 34' High profile 15500 GVWR 3200 pin Mor/ryde 5500 Onan genny Dual A/C 27' Hallett 502, 500HP bradyk • View posts Calgary, Alberta Senior Member Joined: 07/12/2003 View Profile Offline Posted: 02/09/12 02:33pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator I guess my real point on the above setup is not just what this particular unit does but how small of engine size they are using to haul that kind of weight. Maybe those 5l Ecoboost dreamers or the smaller diesels that never quite made it to production would fill that gap somewhere between that Winnie and the beasts we are using today and get that GWCR i that 20k+ range instead of under and allow towing of bigger trailers without being real under powered when we are not towing a 15k beast. skipnchar • View posts Topeka or somewhere else Senior Member Joined: 12/17/2003 View Profile Posted: 02/09/12 02:38pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator Horsepower or cubic inches are a VERY BAD single indication of carrying capacity OR towing capacity. 2011 F-150 HD Ecoboost 3.5 V6. 2550 payload, 17,100 GCVWR - 2004 F-150 HD (Traded after 80,000 towing miles) 2007 Rockwood 8314SS 34' travel trailer US Govt survey shows three out of four people make up 75% of the total population YnotTurbo • View posts Waldorf Maryland Senior Member Joined: 04/20/2006 View Profile Offline Posted: 02/09/12 05:37pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator I love the weight police..lol Take a gander at our small fiver... Navy Chief (Ret.) but still working... 2011 Dodge Ram 3500 Laramie w/6.7 CTD. 2011 Mobile Suites Lexington 43 http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/YnotTurbo/Newsetup.jpg KD4UPL • View posts Swoope, VA Senior Member Joined: 03/16/2008 View Profile Good Sam RV Club Member Offline Posted: 02/09/12 05:49pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator The same Chevy Duramax used in a 2500 pick-up is also installed in Kodiak 5500 series trucks with much larger towing and payload ratings. The same 6.7L Cummins that is in a Dodge 2500 truck is also installed in medium duty trucks including the Ford F-650. These engines are already being used, as you say, to pull or haul much larger loads than pick-ups are rated for. In these applications, they are generally rated for LOWER HP than in pick-ups. This is to ensure longevity when being worked so hard. Personally, I think the diesel pick-up HP wars are ridiculous. My LLY Duramax is bone stock and has plenty of power to pull anything I hook to it. In fact, I would gladly give up 50 HP to get an additional 5 MPG. I'd like to see the big 3 offer an optional de-tuned engine that would have less power, less torque, and get twice the mileage. The diesels put in trucks back in the 80's and 90's got better MPG than some of the new ones. I realize a lot of that is because of all the emissions******strangling the new diesels. YnotTurbo • View posts Waldorf Maryland Senior Member Joined: 04/20/2006 View Profile Offline Posted: 02/09/12 05:55pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator The stock exhaust really kills the milage... Reply to Topic  |  Subscribe  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  |  Oldest first Newest first  Page of 4   Next Open Roads Forum  >  Tow Vehicles  > Towing beasts we have

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