moisheh
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I wonder what they charge to teach a new employee how to make a 500 peso note become 50 pesos? But seriously this takes place in the DF area and I feel sorry for the poor kid who works a whole day for 50 pesos.
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What is your point Moeis? I was told that a Pemex attendants shift salary was 150 pesos- and he/she lives on tips!
- or got yas! that is why I tip 5 pesos for a fill up.
He/she is not taught the 50 -500 switch by Pemex - he/she is just doing it to feed her/his family.
I was caught once in PV by the switch and it ruined my day in that I was that inattentive.
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Lew: If you read that article the point will be very clear. Apparently there are so called employees who make 60 pesos a day and even have to pay the Tanker driver . Pay the person in charge of that island, pay for uniforms, pay the boss if they do not sell additives and cover any losses due to theft. That is not employement it is slavery. No different than the sweat shops in New York. This occurs in the Mexico City area where one company owns the stations. I was shocked. Weren't you concerned? The only aving grace is that perons who live in that area do tip well. ( not 5 pesos) The selling of jobs is not unusual in Mexico. Government employees often sell their job when they retire but those jobs have benefits and the pay is fabulous. It is ironic that the Pemex employees we encounter in other areas have good jobs and are mostly unionized and in this area slavery is being practiced. We all encounter Pemex workers in our travels and I thought others would want this information. Traveling in another country involves knowing something about the culture. Both the good and the bad. I am surprised that a few of the Left Coast make the rich pay people have not commented.
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I believe it somewhat although I have never heard of it here in the north. Just another reason to get an education and a better job. With education they would know what their rights are, take the employer or owner of the station to arbitration, file a complaint with Profeco, or file a "denuncia anonima" so that an investigation took place. But I also believe that people are fools to work in a place that does that. I could think of a million other things to do that would make me much more money. I mean really, what does a grown man think when he has to pay someone to work, etc., doesn't take much brains.
This is exactly the type of abuse that takes place against uneducated people. I'll say it again, if someone really wants to study and they have no money, there are many programs in Mexico to help them but that's another thread.
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I can't remember the names of the history books I have read but the buying and selling of jobs has been going on in Latin America since the 1500's. It is a legacy left by the Spanish rulers.
This was/is especially true of government jobs. It is just another form of mordida and is ingrained into Mexican society.
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playaboy: Your comments remind me of a discussion I had with a Mexican friend about those who are Chueco. He simply stated that this is part of the culture but came from the Spanish heritage not the Native heritage. None of us will live long enough for this type of mordida to end. Chris: This article was in many newspapers and some had more info. The union that is supposed to protect these workers did file a complaint and nothing happened. Not unusual.
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This is kind of like the plight of restaurant and bar staff in Canada where workers in these fields are allowed to be paid lower than the legal minimum wage. They are expected to make up the difference in tips. Sometimes they do and sometimes they do not. "Wage slavery" exists in many countries. In Mexico it appears to be illegal and there is a way to fight it.
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I do believe that there is a kernel of truth in the article, but I have read way too many newspapers to believe that even half is the "whole and unvarnished truth". Nonetheless, I will probably start tipping the Pemex attendants based on this though.
If anyone thinks that paying for blue collar jobs is uniquely Mexican, I suggest a little research regarding unions in other countries and including not only the level of dues in some cases, but also the under the table payments that get paid to union management.
(And to take the foregoing statement as opposition on my part to unions would be incorrect.)
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I keep wondering what an appropriate Tip to the Fuel Pump attendant should be!
i.e. My Tracker has a very Small Gas Tank , usual Fillup is $200 Pesos. I usually Tip 5 Pesos to the Pump Man (Woman) and another 5 if the Windows are washed (Seldom) this Year.
My RV takes a whole lot more Fuel , however it isn't any tougher to fill than the Tracker. I usually Tip 20 ~ 30 Pesos depending upon the friendliness or lack of same ,of the Pump Attendant. One Woman in Los Mochis has been there for as many Years as I can Remember. I give Her 40 Pesos, as she seems to Remember Me each Year.Only once did I let someone clean the Windshield,The Job the guy did was terrible and I eventually took over and did It Myself! He still expected a Tip so I gave Him 5 Pesos anyway for the effort.
Again "Am I Tipping an appropriate amount?"
So as to Not Hyjack the thread a PM would be the right response!
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robatthelake wrote:I keep wondering what an appropriate Tip to the Fuel Pump attendant should be!
i.e. My Tracker has a very Small Gas Tank , usual Fillup is $200 Pesos. I usually Tip 5 Pesos to the Pump Man (Woman) and another 5 if the Windows are washed (Seldom) this Year.
My RV takes a whole lot more Fuel , however it isn't any tougher to fill than the Tracker. I usually Tip 20 ~ 30 Pesos depending upon the friendliness or lack of same ,of the Pump Attendant. One Woman in Los Mochis has been there for as many Years as I can Remember. I give Her 40 Pesos, as she seems to Remember Me each Year.Only once did I let someone clean the Windshield,The Job the guy did was terrible and I eventually took over and did It Myself! He still expected a Tip so I gave Him 5 Pesos anyway for the effort.
Again "Am I Tipping an appropriate amount?"
So as to Not Hyjack the thread a PM would be the right response!
Why not copy your post and start a new thread?
Tom
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