Ka Ron
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We are having issues here in British Columbia about All Season Tires.
They are trying to get them banned in the winter time.
For over 30 years All Season Tires were good for all types of driving and now they say they are not.
Is the tires the fault or the drivers. I have never had a problem on the roads with All Season Tires in all my years of driving.
Blame it on the tires not on the driving.
What do you think?
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Jacksons
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Its the driving, not the tires
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JIMNLIN
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A all season is a poor choice on a truck if you have to be someplace regardless of deep snow or mud. Some folks live on dirt roads out where street crews can clean snow from the roads. Remember not all folks live in town. Not many AS tires out here.
IMO some AS treads are worthless on green grass/wet pavement while other AS treads styles look closer to a AT tread and work great in those conditions.
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Ka Ron
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Jacksons wrote:Its the driving, not the tires
I agree it's the driving
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Jarlaxle
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All-Season tires are a compromise...they are mediocre at everything and do nothing especially well.
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gorjo01
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Ka Ron wrote:Jacksons wrote:Its the driving, not the tires
I agree it's the driving
Sorry, I disagree. Quebec has a mandatory winter tire law for a reason..mind you in BC your weather is not the same as the rest of the country.
My insurance company wants to know if I run winter tires, or not, in the winter. I agree with Jaraxle, they are mediocre, in winter anyways.
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5er4ever
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I believe that after Quebec made it mandatory they rest would follow soon enough. I predict BC 1st, East coast 2nd and forced on the rest of us next.
It does not really matter if it is the tires or the driver. The tires likely will (according to math) make up for some drivers in the statistics. Therefore appear to be life savers (again a math thing).
There are applications for both but what are they going to do about the 'black top' issues in BC? Studs will be next as soon as they figure out how not to tear up the roads. Your Lexus ain's gonna feel like one when they get done!
Grade school math shows that if we all drove at 25mph year around many more of us would be alive today. Then they would mandate 'green' machines out of recycled cardboard because that could survive 25mpg crashes (statistically speaking).
Back to the tires. Yes winter tires would be better IMHO.
Back to the math. Invest in Canadian tire manufactures & storage sheds and storage racks for summer / winter tires.
Math and stats drive this economy and when governments can beat us to death with 'math backed' stats, we don't stand a chance.
my .02
ps. I wonder, did Quebec stop reporting stats after it became law?
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I will make no claims of knowing about things in Canada, I'm just an Ohio boy living in Virginia. But I know that both the tires and the driver are hugely important in the equation, with especially good examples of one being quite capable of masking bad examples of the other.
The first winter after we moved from Ohio to Virginia, the first snow storm of the winter, about 6 inches, I had occasion to drive into town from our home in the countryside. I was driving a BMW sedan on All Season radials, and followed a guy driving a Jeep Wrangler on those big honkin' faux tractor tires you see the off-roaders wearing. He had the tires and the vehicle, but was more or less clueless about driving in the snow. And even in 4 wheel drive, he was using the entire highway, all 2-1/2 lanes of it, barely missing the ditch on several occasions. I, who had grown up driving in northern Ohio snow (I know, I know, nothing like Canada, but closer than Virginia!) had no trouble keeping it in my lane. At the same time, I would have loved to have had his rig!
So maybe younger Canadian drivers have lost the knack, or maybe y'all are getting some especially worthless All Season tires these days, but I'd like to encourage you to teach 'em right and to demand appropriate (and high quality) tires. I understand why folks might not want to have to buy a second set of wheels and tires. But please do what you must to get around safely.
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mowermech
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IMO, it IS the driving, to a point.
HOWEVER, having driven in all types of weather for over 50 year, using many different types of tires, IMO "all season" tread tires are at best a joke, and at worst just plain dangerous. I believe they give drivers a false sense of security. It would not bother me one bit to see thekm banned for winter driving!
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I can see how 'All Season' tires may not be a good idea in Quebec, Montana or Ohio as the whole of those areas will get cold snowy winters. However in BC, the majority of the population live in areas where often there is little or no snow. In fact, Victoria has had winters where the temperature has never dropped below 32F.
To make snow tires mandatory in BC would make as much sense as making them mandatory in Alabama!
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