kodiakcanuck
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JackD wrote:Just made a resevation yesterday for a week in Malibu, Calif:
Please site down and look at those prices:
HERE
Nice place, but it is Malibu 
Besides, those prices aren't that different from a provincial park:
"Mountain View - Elect & Water - 30 Amp - per week - 335.00"
I paid $288 for a week and you get only get 30 amp electrical, there is no 50 amp, and you have fill your water tank before you set up camp. There are sites close to the beach and some even in the sand, if you like sand in every inch of your trailer, but they are non-electic.
The electric sites are in the woods, some actually just in a field, and about 2 kms from the beach, so it's either a pretty good bike ride with the kids, or you have to drive to the beach everyday.
What I don't like about the high prices is the fact that they don't offer extra services, like full hook up, pools, playground, etc that private parks have. The private parks around Sandbanks are very seasonal and don't offer that much more. And as was mentioned, the fact that you have to reserve the 5 months in advance and everything is gone within about 15 minutes.. they really do need to change the reservation policy for people swapping sites or staying 23 days at a popular park.
But we love the beach there, it's little Florida in Canada, so I support this Provincial Park, but still like to complain a little 
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Quote:It's the inconvenience of having to make my plans 6 months out. We like to go to Sandbanks in the summer and try to go several times during the season. This past XMas we were in Florida and the last thing on my mind was planning for the summer. When I got back on January 9th, it occured to me that I was going to have to start booking sites for the summer. Sure enough, when I looked, all our preferred sites where already booked into mid-June. This is barely 2 weeks after XMas and they winter has barely started and already I've missed out on campsites for the next summer!
Thank god here you can only book 90days in advance at all PP CG's.
But Private is a pain. We've got sites booked for 2014 already.lol
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shum02
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mockturtle wrote:shum02 wrote:skipnchar wrote:It has been a situation that many states in the US are also dealing with. There is a big movement (and probably a justified one) that USERS should pay the entire cost of these campgrounds instead of getting a boost from general fund money. Everyone wants lower taxes and this is ONE way to help achieve that goal but when not providing financial assistance to the campgrounds, the camper pays more. Much better than closing the parks as California did in the last year or two (in my opinion any way).
Good luck / Skip
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Ontario Provincial Parks rely on campers to pay upwards of 80% of the actual cost to camp. WTH is wrong with that? Why should my campsite be subsidized by someone who does not or perhaps even can not camp? That would be just silly and irresponsible of me and the park system. I have no issue paying my way. Nothing is wrong with your argument, in theory. But the practical results over time are likely to be lower usage and decreased revenues. After all, everything is going up except most people's income. Unless things are vastly different in Canada than in the US.
It will be some time before they reach that tipping point and I would think by then other close by parks in NY and Michigan will have caught up close enough with Ontario that it will not make a difference.
I have also championed the idea like NY State parks to add a service fee onto out of Province visitors as well since they do not contribute personal income tax toward the parks but nothing has become of that.
Well let's see how long this thread lasts till it gets locked.
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Maybe you should try State Park campgrounds in Colorado.
I just checked on a very desirable, full-hookup site at Chatfield State Park adjacent to Denver that is very popular with boaters and fishermen. The cost is $26 per night, up $2 from last year. That gets you a pull-through site for up to a 40-ft. RV, with water, sewer, 50-amp power, full shade, from 1 to 6 people per site, and pets allowed. Perhaps 10 to 15% of those sites have already been reserved for May 2012. And every other popular state park is the same price for full-hookup sites. An annual parks pass for an old geezer like me is $60, so, if you camped in the state parks 30 nights each year, it would add $2 per night to the cost.
We certainly don't get private RV park space with all those amenities and 50 amps for that price in Colorado (50 amps is generally an extra cost at private parks here). Of course, Woodall's doesn't give prices for the Colorado State Parks they list because then no one would stay in the private parks they push!
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This of course will be deleted.
Several years ago, about 1974, We had a lunch with a Mayor of a small community in Ontario.
The attitude then and now is if you can afford to travel, if you can afford a MH, if you are from America and several more of these, then you owe Canadians, that can't afford these things.
The get evenism thing will wreck the whole.
As far as recreation on our National or State lands and waters, where is it established that they should be closed and only for profit business should be the only access to recreation?
RV Parks etc compete by offering whatever they want to offer to draw customers. They do not petition or force government to close our natural resources to Citizens use because we owe the business their success.
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shum02
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down home wrote:This of course will be deleted.
Several years ago, about 1974, We had a lunch with a Mayor of a small community in Ontario.
The attitude then and now is if you can afford to travel, if you can afford a MH, if you are from America and several more of these, then you owe Canadians, that can't afford these things.
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As a note to this I know of no Provincial/Federal park system in Canada that charges out of Province/Country visitors a fee but NY State Parks does - just an example as it's the only US park system I visit. Also "several years ago" is 38 years ago - ancient history. Lets discuss recent events/solutions instead.
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As long as this is kept non-political and civil (as it has been), there's no reason to delete anything.
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I'd love to see a detailed park-by-park analysis of the 80% cost coverage claim for Ontario provincial parks. My take is that based on the services provided and cost of operation most, if not all, southern Ontario provincial parks are making a substantial profit, and those in the north aren't doing badly either.
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shum02
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almcc wrote:I'd love to see a detailed park-by-park analysis of the 80% cost coverage claim for Ontario provincial parks. My take is that based on the services provided and cost of operation most, if not all, southern Ontario provincial parks are making a substantial profit, and those in the north aren't doing badly either.
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shum02 wrote:almcc wrote:I'd love to see a detailed park-by-park analysis of the 80% cost coverage claim for Ontario provincial parks. My take is that based on the services provided and cost of operation most, if not all, southern Ontario provincial parks are making a substantial profit, and those in the north aren't doing badly either.
You asked and so you shall receive.
Park stats for 2010
Thanks shum02!
It's good information. It's doesn't have detailed cost/P&L information by park though. I guess the information may be available internally but maybe not as it's the government!
The other stat that wold be interesting is the usage of developed sites with electricity in each park vs. the non-electrical sites. It could be that adding additional electrical sites may improve the occupancy rates.
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