rocmoc
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This seems to be a pretty fair article. He highlights that some areas are VERY safe and some have major concerns. At the end is a link to his website. This is useful for RVers and has a lot of positive info. The story is dated Jan 11, 2011 on Borderland Beat. I am just highlighting the one story not the rest of the page so don't beat me up. It is a good useful story done for CBS News. The story is titled, "How safe is Mexico for tourist?". http://www.borderlandbeat.com/ The Consultant's website is https://sites.google.com/site/policereform/
Remember you don't have to read this, your right in a free country!!!!
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To rocmoc with all due respect.
It is now Jan 12 2012, you continue to post stories, about enevents that have happened in Mexico.
In San Diego, California, U.S.A. We have already had 8 or 9 murders, several asaults, home invations, murder suicides, child molestations, bank robberies, high speed chases, and the list goes on.
We already have kidnapings and home invations by gang members in San Diego, last night, ABC chanel 10, had the picture of the perps that are wanted in connection to this events.
Lets be fair and report all crimes and bad things that happen to the NAFTA PARTNERS, that is CANADA. UNITED STATES of AMERICA, UNITED STATES of MEXICO.
You are not geting the whole story of what really happens in all cases, some are trully tragedies and other cases there is more to the story than what the "reporter" wants you to know.
Should this be the case, San Diego, is more dangerous than Ciudad Juarez, so let us conssentrate on the positive of our Countries and not the negative.
O! by the way, we have a California Highway Patrol Officer that murdered a teenager girl some time ago and dumped her over the side of a bridge, he was denied parrole and will be locked for 15 more years, we also have had several police officers that were doing NO-NO things.
So you see Sr. We are not better, there is an old saying.
Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones.
We all live in glass houses, and yes I travell to Mexico, I also have friends and family in Mexico.
As I said , with all due repect.
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Thanks for sharing the article. This man did point out US cities that are much more dangerous than Mexico and explained the safe places one can travel, how to travel safely, and what to avoid.
We who come down the Baja every year were glad to hear that he considers Baja California (the northern state of the Baja) very safe and BCS doesn't even deserve a mention.
The Borderland Beat is a good source of accurate information and when coming to Mexico, we like doing it with our eyes wide open - but we also like to see people put things into proper perspective.
Thanks again for sharing.
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Just a couple of corrections:
The article is from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), not CBS. Also it's current, a couple of days old, not a year old.
It's a fairly balanced coverage of the situation in Mexico.
Here is the link to the CBC clip:
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I think the author did a respectable job of reporting the truth. He even addresed the problem of finding accurate statistics. As for reporting on crime in Canada why doesn't that poster simply go the Canada forum on rv.net and post his findings. If a milliom people get murdred in Canada and 950,000 get murdered in Mexico neither are safe. Travelers come to this forum for info on Mexico not Canada or the USA. It just defies all logic when people say that San Diego or xxxxx is more dangerous than Mexico. Meaningless.
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Thanks guys for the support. I too was pleased to find an article written by someone who works in the field and IMHO tried to be balanced. There was information that is valuable for use. No matter who writes an article or where it comes from, I have found there is most of the time something to be learned if one has an open mind.
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I know this discussion will come up continually and will never end. As for why statistics from Canada or the US matter - the point that posters are trying to make is that the risks are with us no matter where we go. People can stay at home in San Diego or wherever they happen to be where they feel safe and say that they are safer there than they are somewhere else. That may or may not be true. I have posted on other threads on this forum - as have many others - with links to statistics from both Mexico and the US and other areas of the world. Today there was another headline online about a murder every half hour in Mexico - the vast majority are cartel members killing cartel members. So I looked at one of those US Dept. of Justice FBI website statistics for the US for the past the 20 year period for 1986 to 2005 (latest available I can find) and did the math and came up with 2.25 murders per hour in the US. So my question continues to be - are these continual posts on this forum supposed to tell us it is not safe to go to Mexico because criminals are killing criminals down here? What is the point? Why? To warn us that someone got killed somewhere we might go? But don't talk about places not to go in the US because this is the Mexico forum so we should only talk about places we should not go in Mexico? To keep us informed of what we already know? That the cartels are killing each other to control drug routes? What does that have to do with me? This is an RV forum - is it not? So when something happens to an RVer let me know. By any statistics I have seen the risks seem to be greater to civilians in the US than in Mexico. Why all the fear mongering.
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briansue wrote:I know this discussion will come up continually and will never end. As for why statistics from Canada or the US matter - the point that posters are trying to make is that the risks are with us no matter where we go. People can stay at home in San Diego or wherever they happen to be where they feel safe and say that they are safer there than they are somewhere else. That may or may not be true. I have posted on other threads on this forum - as have many others - with links to statistics from both Mexico and the US and other areas of the world. Today there was another headline online about a murder every half hour in Mexico - the vast majority are cartel members killing cartel members. So I looked at one of those US Dept. of Justice FBI website statistics for the US for the past the 20 year period for 1986 to 2005 (latest available I can find) and did the math and came up with 2.25 murders per hour in the US. So my question continues to be - are these continual posts on this forum supposed to tell us it is not safe to go to Mexico because criminals are killing criminals down here? What is the point? Why? To warn us that someone got killed somewhere we might go? But don't talk about places not to go in the US because this is the Mexico forum so we should only talk about places we should not go in Mexico? To keep us informed of what we already know? That the cartels are killing each other to control drug routes? What does that have to do with me? This is an RV forum - is it not? So when something happens to an RVer let me know. By any statistics I have seen the risks seem to be greater to civilians in the US than in Mexico. Why all the fear mongering.
You're right on. It's a mentality issue. Very hard for people to accept their own reality.
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Thanks for the link. A good read.
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briansue wrote:I know this discussion will come up continually and will never end. As for why statistics from Canada or the US matter - the point that posters are trying to make is that the risks are with us no matter where we go. People can stay at home in San Diego or wherever they happen to be where they feel safe and say that they are safer there than they are somewhere else. That may or may not be true. I have posted on other threads on this forum - as have many others - with links to statistics from both Mexico and the US and other areas of the world. Today there was another headline online about a murder every half hour in Mexico - the vast majority are cartel members killing cartel members. So I looked at one of those US Dept. of Justice FBI website statistics for the US for the past the 20 year period for 1986 to 2005 (latest available I can find) and did the math and came up with 2.25 murders per hour in the US. So my question continues to be - are these continual posts on this forum supposed to tell us it is not safe to go to Mexico because criminals are killing criminals down here? What is the point? Why? To warn us that someone got killed somewhere we might go? But don't talk about places not to go in the US because this is the Mexico forum so we should only talk about places we should not go in Mexico? To keep us informed of what we already know? That the cartels are killing each other to control drug routes? What does that have to do with me? This is an RV forum - is it not? So when something happens to an RVer let me know. By any statistics I have seen the risks seem to be greater to civilians in the US than in Mexico. Why all the fear mongering.
I don't necessarily disagree with the point of your post; however, you are using faulty data.
According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, the number of homicides (murder and nonnegligent manslaughter) in the US for 2005 was 16,740, which is 1.91 per hour.
To see the numbers, click on table 1 on the right of the screen. You will also see that they have the statistics through 2010, when the numbers were 14,748, or 1.68 per hour. The homicide rate over the last 5 years is decreasing in the US. Of course, all of that ignore that the murder rate in the two countries are far different.
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