o3suncruiser wrote:


Something has come up in my research and I am wanting to hear what your experience is SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO DRAFTY AIR COMING IN FROM THE SLIDES (all 5th wheel makes). Of course any other comments are welcome. I have been reading through the following forum on the Montana Owners site and becuase there are so many complaints about drafty slides I am about ready to cancel a deal I have pending on a 5th wheel. (http://montanaadministrator.forumco.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36732)
DO YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH DRAFTS COMING IN FROM YOUR SLIDE OUTS IN THE COLD OR WINDY WEATHER (any type of 5th wheel or RV).

RedG wrote:

Just my own thinking, but I think so many people buy Montanas because, appearence wise, they believe they're getting more for their money as opposed to the close comparisons. Maybe the difference in what they see is made up by some shortcomings in what they dont see????
I'm not trying to slam Montanas as I know they have some nice features, just my thoughts.

cKarlGo wrote:



I am on my 2nd Mountaineer. I lived in it for a winter and it was fine. The only complaint I have is that the furnace was VERY dusty and I cannot find an after market filter for it.

Every problem I've had on either unit has always been addressed by Keystone without complaint. I bought the last unit with Camping World's extended warranty. We'll see if the warranty is worth anything. Hopefully they'll be better at honoring it than the were the purchase agreement (stay away from the one in Statesville!!!).

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I like hearing you respect Mr. Wade for his professionalism. It takes a pretty straight shooter to answer my email as promptly as he did and in such a straightforward manner.

In the case of the quote above on visiting the factory I think it is a great idea were I not so busy working....on the othe hand I have purchased 3 Hyundais because I like them and the models I chose worked for me but also because they have such a long warranty that I suspect if they can put 100,000 mile, 10 year warranty on a mid priced car and back it then they must be building a good car. They do back the warranty, it is a good car...and not I did not have to visit the factory to figure that out. Still your point is well taken. If I could get back east and visit a few factories I would bring my 84 year old father who was the production manager at a couple large companies in his day....then they would really have their hands full answering questions!

richfaa wrote:

As a sometimes critical member of the Montana owners group, we pull no punches over there. I have never heard of a member of that group who full times and there are many, who had a warranty issue with Keystone because they did.

We in the Montana group are outspoken about our problems and offer solutions
to the group. We have a excellent relationship with Keystone/Montana and they solicit our input not only during the year but at our Fall rally in Goshen every year. We evaluate new products and prototye units.

Being honest with your issues and trying to help others is not a bad thing or is it a bad review on the product.

build quality requires a trip to the factory any brand and observe the process.

BTW Charles Wade is a real Keystone Person and is District sales manager I believe and knows the product.We have met and talked with him on more than one occasion.

Gol and RVing wrote:



I don't fully agree with your post relative to The MOC and Charles Wade's response on this forum. First relative to MOC:

We would not have been able to survive the first few years without the help of MOC members because we had so many problems with our Montana. What initially was very surprising .... how many other Montana owners had had the same problems we were having which created a very educated audience because they had experienced the same issues we were dealing with. However the Moderator of the group decided we were being too open about all the problems we were having and terminated us from the MOC forum. So the MOC forum is not as open as you suggest. There is allot of commercial promotion by members on the MOC which becomes quite offensive when others are dealing with unresolved issues. So MOC is not as Angelic as you describe.

Now relative to Charles Wade's comments:

It is good to have manufacturer representatives post on this forum. However, his whole response was nothing more than a sales pitch about how bad the RV reviewing company is/was. His statement was they had never personally inspected the unit they were giving a negative review for. First of all they could not physically/personally review each and every unit. Plus a sample of one is not an adequate statitical sample. There are just too many models to physically review. As far as I know they depend on user/owner input for the ratings. IMHO that is the best source of real data. Unless they are manipulating the data, which I don't think they are. I suspect they are drawing conclusions based on undeniable real facts which is why they are being bad mouthed. This reference site was mentioned on the MOC about the time we became unwelcome as MOC members.

The second thing I totally disagree with Charles on is that his only argument is that the Keystone line of products outsells the nearest compeitor by 3:1. While that may be true that has no conection to quality level, IMHO. We often hear that the Montana line "gives the best bang for the buck" That can be interpeted as offering the most bling for the least dollars. Highest selling does not equate to the highest quality and the reverse is also not true: just because something is only sold in qauntities of 300 makes them bad. I suspect just the opposite. They probably approach "hand made" quality rather than spewed out of never stopping, timed, pressure cooker assembly lines. So lets call this what it is: BS. Lets hear some real facts. Such as warranty costs, number of dealer reapairs required after the sale, etc. I'm sure Keystone has those statistics but they are never reported. If they are so good, why not?