whporwil
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I have a 2008 Jayco Desinger That weighs about the same as this trailer. In the park were currently at there are two others with simular trailers that have 3/4 ton trucks I assume pulled there trailers here. Jayco's seem to have more pin weight than other trailers the same size. When I got my trailer I had a new 2008 F350 srw and on my way home our trailer bottomed the suspension out several times. I now pull it with a 2008 F450 and can't be happier. I'm not saying you need a 450 but I do feel you need at least a dully for that trailer to be safe.
Thank you for not driving an over loaded truck down the highway.
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WichitaDon
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Jarlaxle wrote:My concern with a 5er that size in any SRW truck would be overloading the rear axle. If the axle would handle the pin weight...sure, I'd pull it with a SRW truck.
That's brilliant! Go ahead an overload the tires on your SRW, they're optional right?
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whporwil wrote:I have a 2008 Jayco Desinger That weighs about the same as this trailer. In the park were currently at there are two others with simular trailers that have 3/4 ton trucks I assume pulled there trailers here. Jayco's seem to have more pin weight than other trailers the same size. When I got my trailer I had a new 2008 F350 srw and on my way home our trailer bottomed the suspension out several times. I now pull it with a 2008 F450 and can't be happier. I'm not saying you need a 450 but I do feel you need at least a dully for that trailer to be safe.
Thank you for not driving an over loaded truck down the highway.
I was looking at link provided on one of these threads reference the Jayco fifth wheels. They are pin weight heavy. The toy haulers which were triple axle 40 Plus feet in length were 35-3600 pounds EMPTY. If their regular fivers are that heavy, its no doubt that you could bottom the springs out on a 350 SRW. I am guessing, but I am sure loaded weight could get you just over 4K at the pin with little trouble maybe much more. A steady diet of that kind of weight would quickly wear out anyones 1-ton dually. That is class 4-5 truck range IMO.
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WichitaDon wrote:Jarlaxle wrote:My concern with a 5er that size in any SRW truck would be overloading the rear axle. If the axle would handle the pin weight...sure, I'd pull it with a SRW truck.
That's brilliant! Go ahead an overload the tires on your SRW, they're optional right?
Yes, because many trucks have axle ratings higher than the tire ratings! Oh, wait...no, they don't. The axle rating is ALWAYS lower than or equal to the OEM tire rating. If I'm under the GAWR, I'm under the tire rating. Do you ever think before spouting stupidity?
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WichitaDon
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Jarlaxle wrote:WichitaDon wrote:Jarlaxle wrote:My concern with a 5er that size in any SRW truck would be overloading the rear axle. If the axle would handle the pin weight...sure, I'd pull it with a SRW truck.
That's brilliant! Go ahead an overload the tires on your SRW, they're optional right?
Yes, because many trucks have axle ratings higher than the tire ratings! Oh, wait...no, they don't. The axle rating is ALWAYS lower than or equal to the OEM tire rating. If I'm under the GAWR, I'm under the tire rating. Do you ever think before spouting stupidity?
Hey John, do you feel better now? The actual manufacturer's axle rating (AAM) for my truck is 10,900#. Please show me where a combined tire rating add up to 10,900#'s. I know it may be tough for you to divide by 2, so that would be a 5,450 per tire. Care to show me which tire manufacturer has that kind of SRW tire rating? You should really think before you get tough on the internet.
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Jarlaxle
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WichitaDon wrote:Jarlaxle wrote:WichitaDon wrote:Jarlaxle wrote:My concern with a 5er that size in any SRW truck would be overloading the rear axle. If the axle would handle the pin weight...sure, I'd pull it with a SRW truck.
That's brilliant! Go ahead an overload the tires on your SRW, they're optional right?
Yes, because many trucks have axle ratings higher than the tire ratings! Oh, wait...no, they don't. The axle rating is ALWAYS lower than or equal to the OEM tire rating. If I'm under the GAWR, I'm under the tire rating. Do you ever think before spouting stupidity?
Hey John, do you feel better now? The actual manufacturer's axle rating (AAM) for my truck is 10,900#. Please show me where a combined tire rating add up to 10,900#'s. I know it may be tough for you to divide by 2, so that would be a 5,450 per tire. Care to show me which tire manufacturer has that kind of SRW tire rating? You should really think before you get tough on the internet.
Ye gods. Everyone else realized EXACTLY what I was talking about: the GAWR rating sticker in the door jamb of the truck. Your truck DOES NOT have a 10,900lb rear GAWR unless it has tires able to carry 10,900lbs. If you didn't...well, then I'm forced to conclude you aren't all that bright.
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TXiceman
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That trailer needs a 1 ton dually...end of discussion.
remember that they make little trailers for little trucks and if you want a big trailer, it takes a big truck.
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WichitaDon
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Jarlaxle wrote:WichitaDon wrote:Jarlaxle wrote:WichitaDon wrote:Jarlaxle wrote:My concern with a 5er that size in any SRW truck would be overloading the rear axle. If the axle would handle the pin weight...sure, I'd pull it with a SRW truck.
That's brilliant! Go ahead an overload the tires on your SRW, they're optional right?
Yes, because many trucks have axle ratings higher than the tire ratings! Oh, wait...no, they don't. The axle rating is ALWAYS lower than or equal to the OEM tire rating. If I'm under the GAWR, I'm under the tire rating. Do you ever think before spouting stupidity?
Hey John, do you feel better now? The actual manufacturer's axle rating (AAM) for my truck is 10,900#. Please show me where a combined tire rating add up to 10,900#'s. I know it may be tough for you to divide by 2, so that would be a 5,450 per tire. Care to show me which tire manufacturer has that kind of SRW tire rating? You should really think before you get tough on the internet.
Ye gods. Everyone else realized EXACTLY what I was talking about: the GAWR rating sticker in the door jamb of the truck. Your truck DOES NOT have a 10,900lb rear GAWR unless it has tires able to carry 10,900lbs. If you didn't...well, then I'm forced to conclude you aren't all that bright.
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John,
What you initially typed re axel rating is less than tire rating does not make sense! Shouldn't it be, tire rating is usually LESS than the axel rating?
In the mean time, I too would carry a 5w with a pin wt to the max of the lowest denominator, ie tires, springs, or actual axel capacity. Altho, I find when I do get to this limit, some conditions allow the rig to bottom out the rear end....not good, so staying something under is usually better than not, especially pickups. I ahve not noticed this issue with my MDT.
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Quote:What you initially typed re axel rating is less than tire rating does not make sense! Shouldn't it be, tire rating is usually LESS than the axel rating?
No, the opposite: tire rating is NEVER less than the truck's GAWR! Absolutely not ever under any circumstances! The axle itself might be rated for more (it's irrelevant), but the truck WILL NOT HAVE a GAWR higher than the tire capacity.
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