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This is all about the me's of the world. ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
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hotpepperkid
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bid_time wrote:How many times in the last 5 years have you been stuck and needed to get towed out? I've owned two wheel drive vehicles for 40 years. I can only recall twice having to call a tow truck. Once was because the vehicle was wrecked and undriveable, the other was because the damn thing just wouldn't run - never because I was stuck. I also live in Michigan. By my calculations, that $3,000.00 will buy at least 15 years of AAA Road Service and you can use it on any vehicle you're driving and for any reason; even a dead battery. P.S. I also own a 4X4, not because I have to, but just because. I also have AAA Road Service.
A couple thanksgivings ago we all got stuck getting to our camp site, 6 of us I think and all but one had 4X4. We had anchors on the backed called 5th wheels and trailers. So even if you have 4X4 dont mean you wont get stuck. At least we were able to tow each other out. The 2X4 guy with us couldnt do anything but sit and wait his turn.
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mowermech
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Ah, yes, I DO so enjoy rattling chains and waking people up!
THANK YOU, all those who took the bait! You have reaffirmed my faith in the credulity of the human animal!
OF COURSE, I do NOT "need" a computer. Just like I don't "need" a 4X4. (even though I have FOUR of them!) In fact, I have horses, and a cart, I really don't "NEED" any vehicle at all!
I don't "need" a three bedroom house.
I don't "need" an amateur radio license OR the radios.
But, I WANT all of those things, and more.
THAT is the whole point: There are many people who insist that they have an absolute NEED for a 4X4 for towing or other things, or just because they live in "snow country"! Actually, they THINK it is a NEED, so therefore, for them, it is. In reality, in most cases, it is a WANT that they justify by claiming it is a NEED. Quite like my silly dissertation on my "need" for this computer!
I don't feel the need to justify my wants. I want it, and that is enough.
Oh, yeah, a reminder (AGAIN!): In the numerical description of a vehicle, the FIRST number is the number of wheels on the vehicle (dual wheels are counted as one wheel); The "X" is read "by"; and the second number is the number of wheels that receive power (again, the duals are counted as one wheel). Thus, a 2X4 vehicle is impossible, it has to be a 4X2.
Of course, this does not apply to locomotives. A 2-8-4 locomotive has an unpowered 2 wheeled truck in front, 8 driving wheels, and an unpowered 4 wheel truck in back. Come to think of it, I don't know if that configuration was ever built.
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surveyorjp
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Still standing confident in what I know to be true. Strange definitions of "needs" versus "wants" don't change the facts of the matter. For my individual purposes, a 4x4 is NEEDED.
Good luck with that migraine Marty! 
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E&J push'n wind
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Ah yes, the trappings of life! Talk about splitting hairs, but your point is taken. All we really NEED to survive is water, food, shelter and clothing. More than that EVERYTHING is a want.
That doesn't take away from NEEDING the right tool for the job though what ever that job might be.
If you WANT to contribute on RVnet, you are going to NEED a computer to do it, and there is no other way to do it!
Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know much, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom.
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coolbreeze01
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So mowermech, have you ever get to drive an FWD? They were way ahead of Fabco etc. as far as features.
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mowermech
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So, answer this:
If some Government Bureaucracy declared that for environmental reason, the ONLY people who would be allowed to own 4X4 trucks would be those who could demonstrate a REAL NEED for such vehicles, and then established very stringent guidelines that had to be met to establish such proof; and the first of those guidelines was to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they could NOT continue to live without the 4X4, and that there is NO way to accomplish what the 4X4 does in ANY other manner, could you do it?
There is no doubt in my mind, I couldn't. But then, I would not have to, I don't own a 4X4 TRUCK! None of my 4X4s are trucks!
Sure, it is a ridiculous hypothetical scenario. I hope.
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mowermech
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coolbreeze01 wrote:So mowermech, have you ever get to drive an FWD? They were way ahead of Fabco etc. as far as features.
No, I have no experience with FWD or Fabco trucks, although the crash/rescue truck at the Pohakaloa Training area in Hawaii was on a FWD chassis. I have never driven an Oshkosh, either.
I did once drive a 1951 Ford 3/4 ton with a Marmon/Herrington 4X4 kit under it. Neat truck, but it had a broken gear in the 4X4 side of the transfer case, and parts were not available. Getting the gear made was possible, but incredibly expensive!
That's one of those "I wish I had bought it, and kept it!" deals. You don't see any these days!
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lesmore49
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mowermech wrote:So, answer this:
If some Government Bureaucracy declared that for environmental reason, the ONLY people who would be allowed to own 4X4 trucks would be those who could demonstrate a REAL NEED for such vehicles, and then established very stringent guidelines that had to be met to establish such proof; and the first of those guidelines was to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they could NOT continue to live without the 4X4, and that there is NO way to accomplish what the 4X4 does in ANY other manner, could you do it?
There is no doubt in my mind, I couldn't. But then, I would not have to, I don't own a 4X4 TRUCK! None of my 4X4s are trucks!
Sure, it is a ridiculous hypothetical scenario. I hope.
Interesting point to ponder.
Back in WW 11 in some countries like Great Britain and Canada, there was war rationing. I think it also may have taken place in the USA, but I don't know this for sure.
Some of the products rationed included fuel...gasoline, diesel, etc. as most of it was assigned for use by the military in the various war theaters.
Will there ever be a war effort of the size of WW 11, where rationing may take place again ? Don't know. But if it did consumer vehicles that were heavier on fuel...both 4WD and 2WD..3/4 ton/1 ton pickup, I would think would be not too economical would be affected. If you only get for your ration...say 5 gallons per week of fuel...well pickup sales would spiral downward and there would be a glut on the use vehicle market.
Used (maybe new) Pickup trucks would be cheap like Borscht...like an old Polish friend of mine used to say.
Environmental reasons ? If fuel costs keep on going upward, then many see pickup trucks that are used only for recreational, or commuter roles as wasteful and putting more demand on limited and costly fuel supplies. If the truck is used for business...then many see this as ok...it's needed to haul loads, etc.
But I could see some environmentalists focusing on large, heavy pickup trucks used as daily drivers (one person), recreational use...as the poster child for combating waste.
It's happened before, particularly post Katrina when fuel prices sky rocketed....could happen again if fuel prices continue to rise, like they are.
I like trucks, always have. My son has a off road package Chevy extended cab...it's a great vehicle.
But in the masses of society, people like me are probably in the minority.
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hone eagle
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So if you dont use your truck as a daily driver ,do you buy a smaller vehical ? With its own new and additional 'costs'?
mining
refining
manufacting
yada yada
or will we limit ourselves to a certain number of cars -say - X per decade?
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