surveyorjp
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topflite51 wrote:surveyorjp wrote:WHS wrote:Inconsiderate is inconsiderate no matter how you slice it...
Somebody rolling along 15-20 mph under the posted speed limit needs to be aware of traffic around them and be considerate and pull over whenever they can - period.
And, people also need to learn much of what has already been posted. There can be several factors determing speed, as well as factors involved in a safe place to pull over. So, be considerate and understand that as well.
Also remember, that 13 minutes can mean a lot to a person who is trying to get to the hospital, or is heading to a job interview, or on their way to work or home from a long day or any number of things. I would suspect that anybody on this forum, who perhaps just heard a family member was injured in an accident, 40 miles away, and is trying to hurry as safely as possible to get there, then gets stuck behind an RV toodling along at 45 mph would get upset.
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Yep. You nailed it.
Like I told the OP, there are several of those self important folks here, and they've voiced their "I'm more important than you" opinions quite clearly. They are the main cause of road rage, accidents, high blood pressure, etc. for other folks. I don't get too excited myself
about being behind a slow moving vehicle, but I sure don't hold up traffic when I'm towing. If I'm on the interstate, I use the slow lanes, and if I'm on a two lane and traffic is behind me, I'll get over and let them pass as soon as it is safe to do so. It's called common courtesy, but as is evident it isn't all too common these days.
"I'm going 20 mph below the speed limit, and all you folks behind me can just go that slow as well." That is called being inconsiderate folks, plain and simple.
And mowermech, I'm pretty sure when you have to merge back over from the slow lane, that you do not have the right-of-way to take a lane away from a vehicle already there. At best, you'll get a ticket for causing an accident. At worst, you get jail time for involuntary manslaughter, or injure or kill yourself or a passenger in your vehicle.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong and he does have the right-of-way, and I'll retract that remark. My thinking is however, that merging traffic from either the on ramp or the slow lane must yield to vehicles already in that lane. Have you ever noticed the DO NOT PASS sign at the end of a passing lane, it means exactly that. If you are not the lead dog at the sign, you are supposed to back off.
I'm referring to the slow lanes that interstates have where slow moving traffic can get over to the far right when climbing a hill. I don't recall seeing any DO NOT PASS signs at the end of those, because the interstate goes from 3 lanes of traffic back down to 2. All I recall seeing is the little merging sign which is usually a symbol. Would not the merging traffic have to yield to traffic already in that lane?
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topflite51
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1. The Op'er was not on an interstate.
2. Mowermech was not referring to an interstate.
3. The lane you are referring to is generally called a truck lane, and you will find out that the truck or any one using that lane, has the right of way. Once again I say, if you are not the lead dog you are either to change lanes or back off. I am not making this up, this is what I concluded after a 20 minute lecture from a CHP officer.
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surveyorjp
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topflite51 wrote:1. The Op'er was not on an interstate.
2. Mowermech was not referring to an interstate.
3. The lane you are referring to is generally called a truck lane, and you will find out that the truck or any one using that lane, has the right of way. Once again I say, if you are not the lead dog you are either to change lanes or back off. I am not making this up, this is what I concluded after a 20 minute lecture from a CHP officer.
Here is mowermech's statement.
"When the pull-off is visible from a distance, and I can SAFELY enter it and get back on the highway, I will gladly do so. In the meantime, watch for passing lanes (there are many of them on most highways in this state), and use them, but please, do NOT pull up and sit in my blind spot when I am about to run out of lane! (NOTE: If I DO run out of lane, I am coming over. You better speed up or slow down, but GET OUT OF THE WAY!)"
He indicates HE is about to run out of lane. I would assume if he is about to merge left, he would have to yield to traffic already in that lane. If I am wrong, then I stand corrected.
However, if entering a highway from an on ramp, the folks on the ramp MUST yield to the traffic already on the highway. Of THIS I am sure.
I guess I just don't understand what mowermech is talking about if HE is about to run out of lane, and I thought he was talking about one of these "truck lanes" you mention. I will retract my statement.
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He is referring to two lane highways with a passing lane. Keep this in mind, the vehicle when overtaking and passing must do so safely.
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If you are going to pass a vehicle that has moved over into a passing lane to allow vehicles to pass, you MUST have room to get completely past the vehicle that has moved over before the passing lane ends as the vehicle that pulled over has the right of way at the end of the passing lane.
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surveyorjp wrote:I'm referring to the slow lanes that interstates have where slow moving traffic can get over to the far right when climbing a hill. I don't recall seeing any DO NOT PASS signs at the end of those, because the interstate goes from 3 lanes of traffic back down to 2. All I recall seeing is the little merging sign which is usually a symbol. Would not the merging traffic have to yield to traffic already in that lane?
In every uphill passing zone I have ever seen in my years, the end where the merge occurs is a no passing zone to prevent people from continuing to zip up the fast lane and making the slower vehicles have to almost stop at the top of the hill before they can merge.
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JoeChiOhki wrote:lots2seeinmyrv wrote:
I totally agree, I think people should get tickets for driving BELOW the speed limit just as they do for driving over the speed limit. That's what the speed limit is for...if is says 65...then don't be doing 45!
Incorrect.
From Princeton's Online Dictionary:
Noun
* S: (n) speed limit (regulation establishing the top speed permitted on a given road)
The Speed Limit, as its defined means the MAXIMUM you may go, not the speed you HAVE to go.
Most states usually have a minimum speed as well, though its rarely posted. On average that MINIMUM is 45mph.
Now I don't know if this applies everywhere, but here in Ontario, there is a ticket that can be issued for "unnecessary slow driving" (I believe that's the terminology used). If there is no defined minimim speed on the roadway does not mean that LEO can't use their judgment and fine you for driving too slow anyway.
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Yeah... driving under the speed limit is OK - just get out of other's way when it's safe to do so.
It's the old "do unto others" thing.
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Wow - some "entertaining" reading - and silly polarization of views on a simple issue.
My own interpretation:
- a "speed limit" is exactly that - it is not a target to be achieved by all vehicles on the road
- the slow-moving vehicle has a responsibility to seek safe ways to allow following traffic to pass
- following traffic, if it chooses to pass, has a responsibilty to wait until is safe to pass
- slow moving vehicles can contribute to frustration and unsafe conditions by failing to take advantage of opportunities to allow following traffic to pass
- following traffic can contribute to frustration and unsafe conditions by tailgating and passing when it is not appropriate to do so
We all share the road - and this is a the kind of issue that seems to quickly bring out the worst in a lot of us. In my view this has nothing to do with laws but everything to do with common sense - and it is the selfish arrogance of the "me, me, me" folks - in whatever camp - that can contribute to life-threatening situations .....
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rondeb wrote:... the vehicle that pulled over has the right of way at the end of the passing lane.
It is my understanding that once you get in the turnout/passing lane, you have lost the right of way to merge to the left - you have to yeild to vehicles in that lane.
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