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Dick A

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Posted: 08/03/10 04:38pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The OP was probably traveling on HWY 2 from Kalispel, MT to Bonners Ferry, ID. I have traveled that route many, many times and while there are some stretches of the road that are safe for an auto to travel 70 mph, I don't believe any of the highway is safe for any class of motorhome at that speed. Much of the road is narrow, winding, and hilly. There are also few turnouts long enough or wide enough for a long motorhome or truck.

One may remember that until the recent years Montana had "safe and sane" driving laws with few speed limits until dusk at which time the limit became 55 mph.

Oh, one perhaps would also observe the hundred or so "white crosses" along that stretch of road as a reminder of those who thought doing seventy, passing on the yellow line, passing on curves and hills was also safe.

If you are still inclined to travel at a high rate of speed on that road, I'm sure the State of Montana will be happy to have one of those white crosses stamped out at the local prison for you.


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I hope that after posting you felt better.

After saying that, I would LOVE to be stuck behind a slow moving MC in Montana on a two lane road pulling my Jayco instead of here in my office in Iowa scratching and clawing for sales and profit!

Now I feel better!!

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Inconsiderate is inconsiderate no matter how you slice it...
Somebody rolling along 15-20 mph under the posted speed limit needs to be aware of traffic around them and be considerate and pull over whenever they can - period.
And, people also need to learn much of what has already been posted. There can be several factors determing speed, as well as factors involved in a safe place to pull over. So, be considerate and understand that as well.

Also remember, that 13 minutes can mean a lot to a person who is trying to get to the hospital, or is heading to a job interview, or on their way to work or home from a long day or any number of things. I would suspect that anybody on this forum, who perhaps just heard a family member was injured in an accident, 40 miles away, and is trying to hurry as safely as possible to get there, then gets stuck behind an RV toodling along at 45 mph would get upset.

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We are in Lexington Ky and yesterday we took the "C" on the designated senic route in the country side to see the famed horse farms. It was a very narrow 2 lane road with absolutely NO turnouts only a few private driveway. The speed limit was 35 and we were traveling that speed which was actually pretty fast for the road. Very low branches and very soft shoulders and very narrow. We were pushed the entire drive by either work trucks or cars that were in a huge hurry with almost no means to pass. The speed limit was set due to the senic route tour and the road itself. We pulled over into peoples driveways where possible, but most of the people behind us were not very happy traveling the speed limit. We had a few people honk at us and one yelled at us but we were as considerate as we could be under the circumstances.

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Posted: 08/03/10 06:36pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

WHS wrote:

Inconsiderate is inconsiderate no matter how you slice it...
Somebody rolling along 15-20 mph under the posted speed limit needs to be aware of traffic around them and be considerate and pull over whenever they can - period.
And, people also need to learn much of what has already been posted. There can be several factors determing speed, as well as factors involved in a safe place to pull over. So, be considerate and understand that as well.

Also remember, that 13 minutes can mean a lot to a person who is trying to get to the hospital, or is heading to a job interview, or on their way to work or home from a long day or any number of things. I would suspect that anybody on this forum, who perhaps just heard a family member was injured in an accident, 40 miles away, and is trying to hurry as safely as possible to get there, then gets stuck behind an RV toodling along at 45 mph would get upset.

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The OP should have left earlier and avoided his unpleasant trip by being in front of the Class C. Ya snooze, ya lose!





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WHS wrote:

Inconsiderate is inconsiderate no matter how you slice it...
Somebody rolling along 15-20 mph under the posted speed limit needs to be aware of traffic around them and be considerate and pull over whenever they can - period.
And, people also need to learn much of what has already been posted. There can be several factors determing speed, as well as factors involved in a safe place to pull over. So, be considerate and understand that as well.

Also remember, that 13 minutes can mean a lot to a person who is trying to get to the hospital, or is heading to a job interview, or on their way to work or home from a long day or any number of things. I would suspect that anybody on this forum, who perhaps just heard a family member was injured in an accident, 40 miles away, and is trying to hurry as safely as possible to get there, then gets stuck behind an RV toodling along at 45 mph would get upset.

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Yep. You nailed it.

Like I told the OP, there are several of those self important folks here, and they've voiced their "I'm more important than you" opinions quite clearly. They are the main cause of road rage, accidents, high blood pressure, etc. for other folks. I don't get too excited myself
about being behind a slow moving vehicle, but I sure don't hold up traffic when I'm towing. If I'm on the interstate, I use the slow lanes, and if I'm on a two lane and traffic is behind me, I'll get over and let them pass as soon as it is safe to do so. It's called common courtesy, but as is evident it isn't all too common these days.

"I'm going 20 mph below the speed limit, and all you folks behind me can just go that slow as well." That is called being inconsiderate folks, plain and simple.

Statement directed at mowermech retracted as it appears I am unsure about what type of highway he was referring to.

* This post was edited 08/03/10 09:41pm by surveyorjp *


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chuckster11 wrote:

Here is the problem with these, yes, inconsiderate drivers that plug up the roadways everywhere--it isn't a western phenomena. They are simply a hazard to all drivers, especially when proceeding at substantially less than the speed limit.
It isn't just the reckless fool behind them that passes in dangerous spots because of the inconsiderate driver, it is the completely innocent individual coming the OTHER direction that has to pay the price--with injuries and death.
Go ahead, be flippant about your right to not have to use "dangerous and inconvenient" turnouts to let those behind you pass, talk about your right to drive as you wish on these narrow two lanes, tell those behind you to just "chill". But, also be prepared to stare at the catastrophe your inconsiderate driving has caused--go ahead, find an excuse and a justification to render the safety of the oncoming driver a moot point when you have been unnecessarily responsible for the mayhem.


I totally agree, I think people should get tickets for driving BELOW the speed limit just as they do for driving over the speed limit. That's what the speed limit is for...if is says 65...then don't be doing 45! If your vehicle can't do the speed limit then use another road.

If the guy can safely use the turn out he should, and when someone uses a turn out for us, we are ready and we put the blinker on so people know we are passing and punch it so they don't have to come to a complete stop. I see so many "droolers" on the road that don't pay attention to pass and make the poor RVer come to a complete stop.

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Posted: 08/03/10 08:36pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

surveyorjp wrote:

WHS wrote:

Inconsiderate is inconsiderate no matter how you slice it...
Somebody rolling along 15-20 mph under the posted speed limit needs to be aware of traffic around them and be considerate and pull over whenever they can - period.
And, people also need to learn much of what has already been posted. There can be several factors determing speed, as well as factors involved in a safe place to pull over. So, be considerate and understand that as well.

Also remember, that 13 minutes can mean a lot to a person who is trying to get to the hospital, or is heading to a job interview, or on their way to work or home from a long day or any number of things. I would suspect that anybody on this forum, who perhaps just heard a family member was injured in an accident, 40 miles away, and is trying to hurry as safely as possible to get there, then gets stuck behind an RV toodling along at 45 mph would get upset.

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Yep. You nailed it.

Like I told the OP, there are several of those self important folks here, and they've voiced their "I'm more important than you" opinions quite clearly. They are the main cause of road rage, accidents, high blood pressure, etc. for other folks. I don't get too excited myself
about being behind a slow moving vehicle, but I sure don't hold up traffic when I'm towing. If I'm on the interstate, I use the slow lanes, and if I'm on a two lane and traffic is behind me, I'll get over and let them pass as soon as it is safe to do so. It's called common courtesy, but as is evident it isn't all too common these days.

"I'm going 20 mph below the speed limit, and all you folks behind me can just go that slow as well." That is called being inconsiderate folks, plain and simple.

And mowermech, I'm pretty sure when you have to merge back over from the slow lane, that you do not have the right-of-way to take a lane away from a vehicle already there. At best, you'll get a ticket for causing an accident. At worst, you get jail time for involuntary manslaughter, or injure or kill yourself or a passenger in your vehicle.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong and he does have the right-of-way, and I'll retract that remark. My thinking is however, that merging traffic from either the on ramp or the slow lane must yield to vehicles already in that lane.
Have you ever noticed the DO NOT PASS sign at the end of a passing lane, it means exactly that. If you are not the lead dog at the sign, you are supposed to back off.


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Posted: 08/03/10 08:46pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Since the OP has failed to supply exactly what road he was on when this "slight" occurred, everything here will just be little more than conjecture and hypothesizing, though I'm gonna go with Dick and suspect that it was likely Hwy 2.


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lots2seeinmyrv wrote:


I totally agree, I think people should get tickets for driving BELOW the speed limit just as they do for driving over the speed limit. That's what the speed limit is for...if is says 65...then don't be doing 45!


Incorrect.

From Princeton's Online Dictionary:

Noun

* S: (n) speed limit (regulation establishing the top speed permitted on a given road)

The Speed Limit, as its defined means the MAXIMUM you may go, not the speed you HAVE to go.

Most states usually have a minimum speed as well, though its rarely posted. On average that MINIMUM is 45mph.

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