spotrot
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MicroSoft has done it again: created another way to irritate their customers.
MS made the 2010 version of Streets & Trips (which you can download and try for free for 60 days)change the route files so they can't be read by 2009 and earlier versions.
This is of course entirely unnecessary for such a simple data file -- MS just want to force more customers to 'upgrade.'
The problem for me is that I have 4 computers, two which have (purchased) S&T 2009. This means that routes made with 2010 S&T can't be viewed on my other computers. (Purchased S&T is limited by MS to be loaded on only two computers.)
FYI when you open a 2009 S&T file with 2010 it then has to convert it to the '2010' format to view it. However if you want to be able to view it on 2009 or earlier S&T, exit without changes to the file.
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Marvin_H
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Hi Spotrot,
Just a slight technical correction is due: If you open an earlier version of Streets & Trips file in a newer version of the software, you will indeed be asked if you wish to convert the file to a newer format. If you agree, the file will be converted, and then opened. You may view it in the new Streets & Trips, and you may even close it and re-open it in the older program, as long as you haven't saved it in the newer program.
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spotrot wrote:(Purchased S&T is limited by MS to be loaded on only two computers.) From what I've read on the GPS forums, there is not problem loading it onto 4 different computers provided you have the store brought CD package. They just tell you it can't be done.
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spotrot
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RE: Just a slight technical correction is due: If you open an earlier version of Streets & Trips file in a newer version of the software, you will indeed be asked if you wish to convert the file to a newer format. If you agree, the file will be converted, and then opened. You may view it in the new Streets & Trips, and you may even close it and re-open it in the older program, as long as you haven't saved it in the newer program.
Thank you, I think you stated it more clearly than I did. One additionaly point is that you can't make changes or additions to a 2009 route file with the 2010 version and then still be able to view it on a computer that runs the 2009 or earlier versions.
RE: on four or more computers.
Thank you too for the extra info. On Amazon, several people stated 2010 can only be run on ONE computer. I'd like to know which reports are accurate but as I see it now S&T 2010 has created the above mentioned problems and has added nothing that would make it worthwhile to me.
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1. Yes, a file saved in a newer version can't be opened by an older program. Use the oldest version if you support people with various versions. They will be able to open a file created in an older software. Alternatively, get them all updated to v.2010.
2. There are some changes in v.2010 that are worth considering, such as better pushpin management (hide/show pushpins, hide/show pushpin information balloons), GPX file import/export (more details in review).
3. Ever since I remember, the Microsoft's EULA (End User Licensing Agreement) allowed one installation of Streets & Trips on your main computer, and one additional installation on a portable device (laptop, tablet, whatever).
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spotrot wrote:MicroSoft has done it again: created another way to irritate their customers.
MS made the 2010 version of Streets & Trips (which you can download and try for free for 60 days)change the route files so they can't be read by 2009 and earlier versions.
This is of course entirely unnecessary for such a simple data file -- MS just want to force more customers to 'upgrade.'
The problem for me is that I have 4 computers, two which have (purchased) S&T 2009. This means that routes made with 2010 S&T can't be viewed on my other computers. (Purchased S&T is limited by MS to be loaded on only two computers.)
FYI when you open a 2009 S&T file with 2010 it then has to convert it to the '2010' format to view it. However if you want to be able to view it on 2009 or earlier S&T, exit without changes to the file.
 Pardon my ignorance. I thought a "Purchased S&T would only load on one PC????? Correct me if I have been mis informed. Thanks
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As Marvin_H's post states, the End User License Agreement (EULA) allows for use on a "licensed device" and a "portable device" as long as the portable device is "use by the single primary user of the licensed device."
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pulsar wrote:
As Marvin_H's post states, the End User License Agreement (EULA) allows for use on a "licensed device" and a "portable device" as long as the portable device is "use by the single primary user of the licensed device."
Tom
Now I am really confused. Would you explain the difference between a "licensed and a portable devise. How would MS know weather it is installed on a desktop or laptop PC? Thanks
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Marvin_H
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I'm not a lawyer, but my 'simple' understanding is that you can have the software installed on two of your computers, provided that you are the main user of the computers. One of the PCs could be a home desktop PC, and the other could be a PC you have in your RV.
As an example, it wouldn't be OK to have one of the two allowed installations on your son-in-law's laptop.
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I don't think MS can tell whether you are using a desktop or a laptop. My post was only intended to reiterate Marvin_H's post and to do as you requested, "Correct me if I have been mis informed. Thanks" So there it is, MS's EULA allows Street and Trips to be used on more than one computer.
Here is the relevant part of the EULA; it includes MS's definition of Licensed Device.
2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.
a. Licensed Device. The licensed device is the device on which you use the software. You
may install and use one copy of the software on the licensed device.
b. Portable Device. You may install another copy on a portable device for use by the single
primary user of the licensed device.
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