Pokey2
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Bordercollie wrote:Ladder rungs hurt bare feet unless well padded.
I can't help responding to this.
How true!! I sleep in the upper bed and always wear my sandals to bed. Fortunately, there's lots of room up there for them and me.
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RCMAN46
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Deb and Ed M wrote:I've always believed that the biggest "thing" the motor has to push is the frontal area through the air. In other words, once that hole is "punched" - the rest of the RV follows with little extra fuel needed.
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X2. That is the secret behind a train. Also why the big truck firms like to tow multiple trailers. The design of the front of the RV will be the most important. Some will make the hole in the air better than others of the same size and length.
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Gene in NE
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RVforum45 - Not sure what the longer RV's truly get for gas mileage, but my shorter B+ type gets 12.1 mpg. I have a record of how many gallons I have burned for the entire 35,000 miles. Much has to do with the way you drive and how much you weigh. The hole you punch in the air is but one factor. Another is how much weight you have to drag up a hill. You never put more gas in the tank going downhill.
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rockhillmanor
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Gene in NE wrote:RVforum45 - Not sure what the longer RV's truly get for gas mileage, but my shorter B+ type gets 12.1 mpg. I have a record of how many gallons I have burned for the entire 35,000 miles. Much has to do with the way you drive and how much you weigh. The hole you punch in the air is but one factor. Another is how much weight you have to drag up a hill. You never put more gas in the tank going downhill.
Yikes! I get 11+, towing a toad, overloaded, and NOT sticking to 55 mph. If I try and keep at 55 as much as I can I get 12........On a 31 ft wide body C. Had no idea the B's had that bad gas mileage.
I travel with dogs also. The cab over is a must if you have smaller dogs. My dogs ride and sleep in the cab over. Makes for pleasant traveling and peaceful nights.
The hole the MH punches IS very important. Take 2 similar weight/length MH's one a C and one an A and its quite apparent what part the front end of these vehicles play regarding mpg.
Flat front A's get 8 9 or 10 on a perfect day, it's like pushing around a 6 x 8 sheet of drywall down the road. Most C's will average in at 11 more airodynamic front end period.
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RCMAN46
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Gene in NE wrote:RVforum45 - Not sure what the longer RV's truly get for gas mileage, but my shorter B+ type gets 12.1 mpg. I have a record of how many gallons I have burned for the entire 35,000 miles. Much has to do with the way you drive and how much you weigh. The hole you punch in the air is but one factor. Another is how much weight you have to drag up a hill. You never put more gas in the tank going downhill.
I tow a 2000 lb 15ft utility trailer behind the 5th wheel on some trips. When I do I may see a 0.1 mpg drop. But if I tow only the Utility trailer I will see a 2-3 mpg drop from no trailers.
Myth Busters had a recent segment where they put approximately 1000 lbs of clay on a car with dimples like a golf ball. What was interesting was the car with the added weight but better aerodynamics got better fuel economy. Aerodynamics is the major factor.
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CDWall wrote:Try the Phoenix Cruiser 2350. It has a permanent bed. We own a 2007 Phoenix Cruiser 2350, perfect for the two of us. We owned a smaller motor home for 24 years, sleeping on a horrid dinette converta-bed. Finally the torture is over. The PC-2350 is very comfortable for us two, also offering a good night sleep. One person alone with pets, it would be "supreme". I wouldn't consider the shorter PC-2100 model just to avoid daily bed setup/teardown, and uncomfortable sleeping. Been there, done that for way too long. The 2350 is only 2'-6" longer than the 2100, but you get so much more comfort in that 2.5 feet. The bathroom and other ammenities are very good for normal weighted people (significant obesity could be chalenging) I am 5'-11'' and 185 pounds and the bathroom with separate shower work great. The 2350 also has a very nice large under-bed outdoor storage compartment which is a welcome by any standard.
If buying a new one is too expensive, consider a used one, 2004 or newer to get the improved rear cap body wall for strength, increased storage, and integrated spare tire storage. I see them for sale around the country on ebay and other sites, some fairly cheap. You may have to get on a plane to get that good deal. Most were built with slide-outs, but we special ordered ours without one and love it that way. We didn't need the floor space and appreciate the big dinette instead of the couch, and get lots of extra storage from it too.
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If fuel economy is a big deal for you, ours with the Ford-V10 gas engine gets between 11 & 12mpg if we keep top speed under 65 and we don't tow anything. The diesel Dodge Sprinter chassis version of the 2350 gets 14-16 if driven under 60. The problem with ours is that we tow a vehicle and go 70ish to have more vacationing time, so we average 9.5mpg. We towed a sports car for fun at our desitinations, but switching now to a 4x4 Jeep to be more adventurous where the car couldn't go.
Another RV with similar construction, length/width, and floorplan is the Isata Sport. Prices vary all over the place. In 2006/2007 the I.S. sold in used condition were about the price of a new PC-2350, hence we special ordered the PC-2350 just the way we wanted. But now everything in 2007 is older yet so prices came down to earth. It's worth internet-shopping.
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Gene in NE
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rockhillmanor wrote:...Yikes! I get 11+, towing a toad, overloaded, and NOT sticking to 55 mph. If I try and keep at 55 as much as I can I get 12........On a 31 ft wide body C. Had no idea the B's had that bad gas mileage... You do have a one of a kind - hang on to that one. Many do not report quite that good. One of my tank fills was as high as 17.8 mpg. But, I know that was a unique stretch - tailwind and dropping in elevation the whole tankful.
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Dusty R
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Pokey2 wrote:Bordercollie wrote:Ladder rungs hurt bare feet unless well padded.
I can't help responding to this.
How true!! I sleep in the upper bed and always wear my sandals to bed. Fortunately, there's lots of room up there for them and me.
I built our ladder, with flat rungs, it's easy on bare feet.
As long as we are willing and able to climb to the crow's nest we will. We figure that a bed down is wasted day time floor space.
We like to stay short for easier parking and don't need to tow a car.
Each his own.
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bagman
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What do you guys think about the Holiday Rambler & Monaco versions of the B+? They range from 25 to 29 feet long.
Trying To Survive In The L.K.M.
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Bagman wrote:What do you guys think about the Holiday Rambler
& Monaco versions of the B+? They range from 25 to 29 feet long.
Bags: We purchased the Monaco Montclair last year. So far (and 10K miles later)we have had no problems and really don't miss the DP at all. Here's the link (still for sale over a year later!) This is the actual unit we purchased2009 Monaco Montclair The only issue; the counter had a crack in the solid surface near the sink. I had them deduct some $$ off the price. I had contracted somebody to replace the counter, undermount the sink, fabricate a sink cover, and had enough material to build a folding shelf.
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