Doughboy12
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TRIPLE8 wrote:I've used it to put our campfire out at night.
Thats exactly what I do when camping in the mountains, fire has to be dead out. I use a 5 gallon bucket. The heat kills all the bacteria so no smell.
So what about the last 5 gallons? If the fire is out dead there isn't enough heat left to kill anything! Not that I care but makeing a statment like that is just plain silly.
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AstroRig57
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Quote:Let's discuss gray water
Specific "rules", as opposed to "laws" at specific destinations, parks, and campgrounds notwithstanding, maybe we need to look at some definitions first, per California state law, kitchen waste is not considered to be "graywater".
California Health & Safety Code
Defininition of Graywater
17922.12. (a) For the purposes of this section, "graywater" means
untreated wastewater that has not been contaminated by any toilet
discharge, has not been affected by infectious, contaminated, or
unhealthy bodily wastes, and does not present a threat from
contamination by unhealthful processing, manufacturing, or operating
wastes. "Graywater" includes wastewater from bathtubs, showers,
bathroom washbasins, clothes washing machines, and laundry tubs,
but does not include wastewater from kitchen sinks or dishwashers.
Wastewater from kitchen sinks is considered to be sewage or blackwater.
A few more definitions:
California Health & Safety Code Section:
5410. As used in this chapter:
(a) "Waste" includes sewage and any and all other waste
substances, liquid, solid, gaseous, or radioactive, associated with
human habitation, or of human or animal origin, or from any
producing, manufacturing, or processing operation of whatever nature.
(f) "Nuisance" means anything which: (1) is injurious to health,
or is indecent or offensive to the senses, or an obstruction to the
free use of property, so as to interfere with the comfortable
enjoyment of life or property, and (2) affects at the same time an
entire community or neighborhood, or any considerable number of
persons, although the extent of the annoyance or damage inflicted
upon individuals may be unequal, and (3) occurs during, or as a
result of, the treatment or disposal of wastes.
5411. No person shall discharge sewage or other waste, or the
effluent of treated sewage or other waste, in any manner which will
result in contamination, pollution or a nuisance.
Individual counties can pass even stricter ordinances concerning the discharge of "waste".
5415. No provision in this chapter is a limitation on any of the
following:
(a) The authority of a city or county to adopt and enforce
additional regulations not in conflict with this chapter imposing
additional conditions, restrictions, or limitations relating to the
disposal of sewage or other waste.
(b) The authority of any city or county to declare, prohibit, and
abate nuisances.
(c) The authority of a state agency in the enforcement or
administration of any provision of law which it is specifically
permitted or required to enforce or administer.
A small sampling of BLM regulations regarding graywater...however...in no case shall less restrictive BLM/Federal regulations legally usurp the more restrictive regulations of a state or local jurisdiction in which a BLM property is hosted.
Federal Register: February 2, 2004 (Volume 69, Number 21)
Page 4976-4979
Final Supplementary Rules on Public Lands Within All Arizona and California Long-Term Visitor Areas
ACTION: Publication of supplementary rules for Long-Term Visitor Areas managed by the California Desert District Office, California and Yuma Field Office, Arizona.
Sec. 16. Dumping
Do not dump sewage, gray water, or garbage on the ground. This includes motor oil and any other waste products: Federal, state, and county sanitation laws and county ordinances specifically prohibit these practices.....
BLM Needles Field Office
To further protect your public lands, campers must not dispose of any refuse, hazardous materials, sewage, or gray water, in any manner pollute the surrounding area. PACK IT OUT.
BLM Eagle Lake Field Office
...self-contained camping is required to avoid the disposal of gray water within the closed basin of Eagle Lake.
BLM El Centro Field Office
Imperial Dunes
DUMPING. Dumping of sewage (black) and/or gray water is prohibited.
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TRIPLE8
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So what about the last 5 gallons? If the fire is out dead there isn't enough heat left to kill anything! Not that I care but makeing a statment like that is just plain silly.
Have you ever put out a campfire with water? It does take about 5 gallons and is still steaming afterwords. so it is not silly.
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Don't be caught dead using your exterior shower on your RV! If it's not black sewage, it get's dumped when "boondocking"! What are the CA laws regarding backpackers washing/dumping their grey water from their cooking gear/bathing? There are none.... While camping/backpacking, I've had rangers approach while washing gear in streams/rivers and say nothing. I won't dump black water tank, but grey water, it's on.
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jeffws wrote:I water the plants at night.......
me too.. :-)
5 gallon bucket works. I have been in a state park that has "water dump" places near some of the spigots.... intended for people that are tent camping to dump their "dishwater"... so I've used my 5 gallon bucket to dump my gray water in the same "dump station"
Jim
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trail-explorer wrote:jeffws wrote:I water the plants at night.......
me too.. :-)
5 gallon bucket works. I have been in a state park that has "water dump" places near some of the spigots.... intended for people that are tent camping to dump their "dishwater"... so I've used my 5 gallon bucket to dump my gray water in the same "dump station"
Now that makes perfect sense to me, need more like that in CA
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ScottE28516 wrote:Don't be caught dead using your exterior shower on your RV! If it's not black sewage, it get's dumped when "boondocking"! What are the CA laws regarding backpackers washing/dumping their grey water from their cooking gear/bathing? There are none.... While camping/backpacking, I've had rangers approach while washing gear in streams/rivers and say nothing. I won't dump black water tank, but grey water, it's on.
There may be a few gallons difference of grey water being dumped by a back packer compared to a toy hauler 
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AstroRig57 wrote:Quote:Let's discuss gray water
Specific "rules", as opposed to "laws" at specific destinations, parks, and campgrounds notwithstanding, maybe we need to look at some definitions first, per California state law, kitchen waste is not considered to be "graywater".
ACTION: Publication of supplementary rules for Long-Term Visitor Areas managed by the California Desert District Office, California and Yuma Field Office, Arizona.
Sec. 16. Dumping
Do not dump sewage, gray water, or garbage on the ground. This includes motor oil and any other waste products: Federal, state, and county sanitation laws and county ordinances specifically prohibit these practices.....
I'm not dumping "on" the ground. It is going "in" the ground. I can understand why one wouldn't dump "on" the ground. Secondly, I guess I should report them for "dumping" sewage with their vault toilets, huh?
This will be a ticket I'd definitely fight, and IMHO, win.
Thanks for the legal piece! Where did you find it, I've tried a few time to look it up.
Dan...
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I have a 20 gal. container with wheels called a BlueBro(BlueBoy?) that connects right up to my trailer. I simply dump 20 gal of grey into the bluebro, then either hook it to the back of the Rhino or my sons and I put it in the back of the truck and dispose of it legally at the nearest dump station.
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AstroRig57
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Finally...specifically found it for California State Parks.
California State Parks Rules and Regulations
California Code of Regulations, (Vol. 19), Title 14, Natural Resources (Part 2), Division 3. Department of Parks and Recreation
ยง 4324. Sanitation.
(a) No person shall deposit waste, water, sewage or effluent from
sinks, portable toilets, and other plumbing fixtures directly upon or into the surface of the ground or water.
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