surveyorjp
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bartonmw wrote:southernsky wrote:I have a 06 and had some turbo problems but dealer made it good. There are goods and bad in all makes..
Exactly. If you do an internet search, you will find enough problems to make you not want to buy any vehicle. Cummins owners are having problems with CELs, lack of power, EGRs, turbos and dpf electronics. Duramax owners have problems with EGRs, injectors, alternators, and squeaky belts. What you are not likely to find are the number of people who have had no problems. The reason is simple...people post their problems looking for solutions. They usually don't just post about how well their truck is doing.
The good news is that since there are so many horror stories, you can usually pick up a good truck for cheap. You just need to make sure to have the truck checked out by a good mechanic who is familiar with these engines. That's something that should be done for any vehicle. And buying an extended warranty is not a bad idea for any used vehicle that is almost out of the manufacturer's warranty.
Something for you to ponder......
GM and Duramax are still together,
Dodge hasn't had to sue Cummins,
Ford and Navistar had a nasty time in court suing each other over the excessive warranty costs incurred by the 6.0L PSD. As a result, they parted ways and Ford is now giving it a go making their own diesel engines. (this is not a bash, but rather a fact).
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surveyorjp wrote:
Something for you to ponder......
GM and Duramax are still together,
Dodge hasn't had to sue Cummins,
Ford and Navistar had a nasty time in court suing each other over the excessive warranty costs incurred by the 6.0L PSD. As a result, they parted ways and Ford is now giving it a go making their own diesel engines. (this is not a bash, but rather a fact).
That's all true, but to be fair I believe GM owns Duramax so splitting up may not be a possibility.
How's your search for a new TV going?
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Surveyor...
I do not know why I let myself get sucked into this abyss. You are right about the excessive warranty costs. IH got tired of the Ford "throw parts and pray" policy that really ran up the bill unnecessarily. You can not blame IH for screaming. It would be interesting, and quite informative, if we just knew how many thousands of head gaskets were replaced that did not need it. A lot of people took advantage of the liberal warranty under"TPAP" and had stuff replaced just for peace of mind, sort of. You think that maybe this behavior ran the bill up and the reputation down a little. Ford handled this badly and they have the big black eye to prove it.
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surveyorjp wrote:This was pigbike's first post.......
pigbike wrote:I am considering buying a 2004 F350 with a 6.0 diesel engine. I have heard stories about the early 6.0 engines having several issues with the injectors, head bolts and gaskets. I have been told to steer clear of 2003-2005 6.0 diesels.
Has anyone have serious problems with theirs. Buying a older diesel with no factory warrantee is a bit dangerous.
Then, 7 minutes later, he posts this
pigbike wrote:I just saw the other post on the subject. It seems they are nothing but trouble. I really like the Ford trucks but not if they are problems just waiting to happen.
It would appear to me, that after posing his initial question, he decided to use the search function and stumbled upon a very informative thread. Perhaps you guys are a little too sensitive? In any event, I don't think pigbike meant anything by his comment other than he was surprised by the number of issues he found in such a short time.
Surveyor That was exactly what happened. I found the posts after I posted mine. I should of looked first. Sorry if I hurt anyone feelings. I didn't know people were so sensitive over a engine.
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surveyorjp
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ricatic wrote:Surveyor...
I do not know why I let myself get sucked into this abyss. You are right about the excessive warranty costs. IH got tired of the Ford "throw parts and pray" policy that really ran up the bill unnecessarily. You can not blame IH for screaming. It would be interesting, and quite informative, if we just knew how many thousands of head gaskets were replaced that did not need it. A lot of people took advantage of the liberal warranty under"TPAP" and had stuff replaced just for peace of mind, sort of. You think that maybe this behavior ran the bill up and the reputation down a little. Ford handled this badly and they have the big black eye to prove it.
Regards
Valid points. I agree some probably took advantage of the system.
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I'm Rick James wrote:
How's your search for a new TV going?
Funny you should mention that. The wife and I have actually had discussions lately about trading in (or selling outright ourselves) her car, and my truck, on a brand new Ram 1500 4x4 quad cab next spring. Lots of variables to weigh, but the possibility is there. I have an old Oldsmobile beater car I drive to work sometimes, so she would have the truck as her primary vehicle. She puts about 3 times the miles on her vehicle that I do. Of course, she is a little concerned about what the fuel mileage would be compared to her current fuel sipper (04 Neon). Like I said, lots of variables. We'll see.
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A lot of the initial problems for th 6.0 were the first build engines, 2003 and early 2004. The second build did not have as many issues and has been a reliable engine. The most problems that occur have been with the owners who chip them trying to get more power nad not doing anything else t the engine. It then exceeds the design limits causing problems. I have a 2004 second build engine and have had no problems. It is stock and does an exceptional job. I get around 11 MPG pulling 13500 lbs. You can ask a Ford dealer for an oasis report o the vehicle t give you the warranty history and any dealer performed maintenance. Similar to a Carfax.
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surveyorjp wrote:bartonmw wrote:southernsky wrote:I have a 06 and had some turbo problems but dealer made it good. There are goods and bad in all makes..
Exactly. If you do an internet search, you will find enough problems to make you not want to buy any vehicle. Cummins owners are having problems with CELs, lack of power, EGRs, turbos and dpf electronics. Duramax owners have problems with EGRs, injectors, alternators, and squeaky belts. What you are not likely to find are the number of people who have had no problems. The reason is simple...people post their problems looking for solutions. They usually don't just post about how well their truck is doing.
The good news is that since there are so many horror stories, you can usually pick up a good truck for cheap. You just need to make sure to have the truck checked out by a good mechanic who is familiar with these engines. That's something that should be done for any vehicle. And buying an extended warranty is not a bad idea for any used vehicle that is almost out of the manufacturer's warranty.
Something for you to ponder......
GM and Duramax are still together,
Dodge hasn't had to sue Cummins,
Ford and Navistar had a nasty time in court suing each other over the excessive warranty costs incurred by the 6.0L PSD. As a result, they parted ways and Ford is now giving it a go making their own diesel engines. (this is not a bash, but rather a fact).
I don't see the relevance to the topic...business deals go sour every day. Just because Ford decided to drop a supplier doesn't make the engine any less reliable.
Besides, it has been reported that in 2006 and 2007 the 6.0 PSD had fewer warranty claims than any other engine that Ford was using at the time. It was also more reliable than the 7.3 PSD. If you take those two facts into consideration, that seems to say that the troublesome issues in the earlier model years were resolved in the later model years...just like any other new or re-designed vehicle.
As I mentioned in my previous post, the horror stories are out there for all makes and models. You are never going to know for sure if you are buying a lemon or if you are buying something that will last forever with proper maintenance no matter what make you buy. You can be scared away from buying any vehicle or you can become knowledgeable, learn from the pain of others and make an informed decision. That's about the best you can do.
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Surveyor and I have agreed to disagree on the real value of the Powerstrokehelp.com guy. Bill Hewitt runs a diesel repair shop and uses the videos as a sales tool. There is a lot of good stuff there and a lot of not so good. A lot of his theories have been rejected as time as passed and the real issues have been discovered. If you talk to a KNOWLEDGEABLE 6.0 Ford Tech,you will not find much support for the guy. I have yet to find one.
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bartonmw wrote:surveyorjp wrote:bartonmw wrote:southernsky wrote:I have a 06 and had some turbo problems but dealer made it good. There are goods and bad in all makes..
Exactly. If you do an internet search, you will find enough problems to make you not want to buy any vehicle. Cummins owners are having problems with CELs, lack of power, EGRs, turbos and dpf electronics. Duramax owners have problems with EGRs, injectors, alternators, and squeaky belts. What you are not likely to find are the number of people who have had no problems. The reason is simple...people post their problems looking for solutions. They usually don't just post about how well their truck is doing.
The good news is that since there are so many horror stories, you can usually pick up a good truck for cheap. You just need to make sure to have the truck checked out by a good mechanic who is familiar with these engines. That's something that should be done for any vehicle. And buying an extended warranty is not a bad idea for any used vehicle that is almost out of the manufacturer's warranty.
Something for you to ponder......
GM and Duramax are still together,
Dodge hasn't had to sue Cummins,
Ford and Navistar had a nasty time in court suing each other over the excessive warranty costs incurred by the 6.0L PSD. As a result, they parted ways and Ford is now giving it a go making their own diesel engines. (this is not a bash, but rather a fact).
I don't see the relevance to the topic...business deals go sour every day. Just because Ford decided to drop a supplier doesn't make the engine any less reliable.
Besides, it has been reported that in 2006 and 2007 the 6.0 PSD had fewer warranty claims than any other engine that Ford was using at the time. It was also more reliable than the 7.3 PSD. If you take those two facts into consideration, that seems to say that the troublesome issues in the earlier model years were resolved in the later model years...just like any other new or re-designed vehicle.
As I mentioned in my previous post, the horror stories are out there for all makes and models. You are never going to know for sure if you are buying a lemon or if you are buying something that will last forever with proper maintenance no matter what make you buy. You can be scared away from buying any vehicle or you can become knowledgeable, learn from the pain of others and make an informed decision. That's about the best you can do.
I have a much different view than you I suppose. Ford didn't simply just "drop a supplier". They parted ways with Navistar, and were involved in a bitter court battle. Why? Over warranty costs incurred by the 6.0L PSD engine. This speaks DIRECTLY to the reliability, or lack thereof, of that particular powerplant. The other pickup diesel engines of that era were simply put, more reliable. Sure they all have issues from time to time, but none of the magnitude of the billions in warranty costs incurred by the 6.0L PSD.
Now, that doesn't mean that your particular truck, or engine, is going to fail today. However, I do urge you to research the advice offered by member "ricatic", and take some precautions that will help you avoid any problems that could occur. Also, take a look at www.powerstrokehelp.com. This advice is not offered in a mean spirit, but rather as a sincere effort to offer you advice and maybe help you avoid any possible issues.
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