NC Hauler
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Donn, it "kinda" started registering with me when I replaced a rear shock when the truck was only about 7 months old,(2500HD, they replaced it under warranty), I put airbags on it to level up the ride.
I guess I finally "did the math" and when driving up and down some very curvy mountain roads, could tell a difference in the "ride". Made the move up to what I thought was "enough truck", (dually), and can tell a difference in the "ride" and just feel a lot safer about the whole thing, but to open yet another can of worms, I'm one of those who, while towing, drive 55-60 mph (sometimes 62 or so), I get my best fuel mileage at that speed and seem to have "better control" over TV & 5er than I would running 65-70,(oops, guess I should have left well enough alone )
ON EDIT: Been through this "so called" argument before also, a 2500HD has more "capacity" than a 1 ton dually...sorry, your wrong. Open the right book. NOW if you want to say that a 2500HD reg cab/short bed/ 2 wheel drive/gasser has more carrying capacity than a 2500HD CC/LB/D/A 4 wheel drive,long bed truck, then your right.
GVWR of the 2500 is 9,200#, for the dually it's 11,400#. Now I know there is more to it than that, but supper is waiting for me as I write this, so it'll have to wait.
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JoeGood988
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I've seen F150 trucks pulling a 36' fifth wheel...bed almost touching the frame and brakes that have a hard enough time stopping the truck by itself. If you are in a wreck with a small truck trying to pull a heavy load, they will ticket you even if it's not your fault.
We were in Missouri and you have to have a plate for your truck that equals the total weight of truck and trailer....6,000 12,000 18,000 24,000 and up. DOT was outside a state park with portable scales weighing rigs, giving tickets for not having proper plates. In Missouri, you have to stop at a scale if you have 18,000 plates or larger (Troop A, HWPatrol station, Lee's Summit confirmed this) Each state is different so don't say weigh stations are only for commercial. It depends on the state. It's not worth the fines not having proper whatever you need per your state..look at California.
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richfaa
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There is no Central data collection point for accidents involving Rv' s pulling overweight or otherwise. If you are a commercial driver every incident you have is recorded and can be quantified. Like NC Hauler it is a matter of safety.I am a firm believer in Ratings and specifications truck or otherwise. They are certification by he manufacturer of what their products is capable of. That is it..no excuses or alibis. Why are we so concerned about Tire ratings, Axle ratings, rim ratings yet care not about the ratings on the truck.. If it is OK to be a few hundred lbs overweight on the truck why not the same on the tires, rims, axles. Pulling / hualing more weight than the rating /spec's of the truck specify is unsafe. There is no way that can not be understood. That the information is difficult to quantify because here is little record keeping is a cope out/ Excuse and one day because we RV'ers choose to be reckless because there are no real"weight police" will cause there to be weight police same as the commerical driver. If I cause a single person who is pulling over the limits of their truck to think about it or a person thinking of purchasing a truck to do some homework on the subject.. Then I guess I am the weight police and will remain so.
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dezolen
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Personally most problems are caused by excessive speed. No need for anyone hauling a 30'plus trailer weighing over 10,000# to do over 60 MPH. But that would be like taking right to carry guns away from some people.
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rkassl wrote:my 2500HD 2004.5 D/A Chevy, has MORE cargo capacity than then the dulley for the same year
I would love to know where you got your numbers as GM bought back my 2004 CC D/A 4x4 after admitting that it couldn't handle the Pin Weight of my 5th wheel without exceeding the GVWR limit, and replaced it with my current 2004.5 Dually
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fj12ryder
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Heck, most people that have problems because of too much weight are not likely to go around posting about it. 
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lwbussey
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dezolen wrote:Personally most problems are caused by excessive speed. No need for anyone hauling a 30'plus trailer weighing over 10,000# to do over 60 MPH. But that would be like taking right to carry guns away from some people.
Huh???????
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DSteiner51
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richfaa wrote:There is no Central data collection point for accidents involving Rv' s pulling overweight or otherwise. If you are a commercial driver every incident you have is recorded and can be quantified. Like NC Hauler it is a matter of safety.I am a firm believer in Ratings and specifications truck or otherwise. They are certification by he manufacturer of what their products is capable of. That is it..no excuses or alibis. Why are we so concerned about Tire ratings, Axle ratings, rim ratings yet care not about the ratings on the truck.. If it is OK to be a few hundred lbs overweight on the truck why not the same on the tires, rims, axles. Pulling / hualing more weight than the rating /spec's of the truck specify is unsafe. There is no way that can not be understood. That the information is difficult to quantify because here is little record keeping is a cope out/ Excuse and one day because we RV'ers choose to be reckless because there are no real"weight police" will cause there to be weight police same as the commerical driver. If I cause a single person who is pulling over the limits of their truck to think about it or a person thinking of purchasing a truck to do some homework on the subject.. Then I guess I am the weight police and will remain so.
The problem with weight police is they have NO understanding of the facts. When facts are presented they have to resort to scare tactics such as, "it's illegal, you are a threat to every other driver, you will get sued," and on and on. Apparently most weight police think that safety if graphed would run mostly horizontal until the rating, then a sudden dive to zero or close. This is totally false. There is much more to safety then weight which the weight police have NO knowledge of apparently.
In their first grade level intellect they can see that 1 is less then 2 and 3 is greater then 2 but have no idea how to utilize the info so they make weight the defining issue of safety. They are either too lazy or too ignorant to look at the big picture. Much like an airplane will easy fly 5% over gross weight (legal for some aircraft in Alaska) but I sure wouldn't want to try aft CG.
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ol Bombero-JC
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donn0128 wrote:NC Hauler,
I totally amazes me when a person like yourself comes in out of the cold and really starts to understands the difference between a marginal truck and a truck that is well within it's limits. It is like their eyes are finally opened after being blind for all of their life.
2500HD LLY Duramax/Allison., 21,500 pounds GCW. Lets see, overheating issues, rear main seal gone when the truck disappeared one night and in it's place was a shiny new 1 ton dually.
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Welllllll . . . the weight police (weight cops?) that have
seen "the light" - or were already "enlightened" - now,
need to move on along to being the . . . .STOP!! Police!!
The majority of 3/4 ton and 1 Ton trucks have inadequate brakes
for the load they tow.
So there's some "new" worms for ya!
And, here we goooooooooo . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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DSteiner51
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KampingKris wrote:We had a close friend write in their "Christmas" letter about the experience of frying their F250 tranny and losing braking power on the truck (luckily not the trailer) while towing a 39-foot toyhauler loaded with a heavy mini race car to the tune of 22,000 lbs. It was a very steep highway and he didn't have a tow mode or an exhaust brake.
But frankly, it was just plain stupid on his part and he knew it. He's since gotten rid of that trailer.
Shucks, we fried more then one 4spd auto tranny on a PS powered F250 while picking up small hay bales in a field. Load never exceeded 60% of the rating of the truck. Some farm trucks pulling small loads in fields never make it past 80k to 100k miles until the torque shift tranny. Because of high cost of rebuilds my old 2000 Ranger ended up pulling the same little trailers because the auto tranny held up better under that particular application even if it put it over it's rating. The very reason why I wouldn't own a Ford 4spd auto in a pickup truck anymore.
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