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RE: Good Sam Park $ 5 Discount
the Good Sam club did offer a coupon last year (2011) for you to redeem at Good Sam Parks.
Parks honored your 10% discount as well as the additional $5, which GS refunded to the Park.
It was a popular concept to affiliated parks and guests,
I have no knowledge to support this, but in my opinion, it was a trial offering from GS to entice unaffiliated camps to become GS Parks, and a way in which we operators and GS could identify markets in our unfranchised partnerships to maximize benefit to members.It wasn't popular with all affiliated parks. We got no extra business we could track. We did have a few guests who had already registered bring in a coupon looking for a $5.00 refund. We also had a couple of guests who wanted $5.00 per day, not a one time $5.00 discount. We had to save the coupons, track them, send in the coupons and a report and then wait on the check from Good Sam. We lost a few coupons, since we don't normally have any need to keep and track anything but credit card slips and cash. The actual money involved was really insignificant, but it had a high pain in the rump factor. From our point of view, we hope it never returns.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/25/12 08:59am |
Good Sam Club
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RE: Liability insurance
A very reasonable request for a full-time site. If your rig catches on fire and the fire spreads to 5 other rigs, what insurance do you have? If someone is visiting you and falls down your stairs and breaks their hip, who pays? You need it as much, if not more, than the park. In these two instances, the other parties WILL sue you, they may sue the park. They WILL win against you, they may win against the park. Your vehicle insurance probably will not cover you if you are living full-time in the rig. Even if your agent says they will, I would check it out with the actual insurance company, bad advice doesn't pay claims. The costs will be small, so get that insurance in place, if you don't have it already.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/24/12 08:51am |
Full-time RVing
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RE: Do CW RV store web sites work for you?
Oldedit, who lit your fuse today? We all get it, you don't like Camping World. But I don't think you are going to change them overnight posting multiple threads on these forums. Maybe you should move on to something a little more obtainable, like world peace.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/23/12 01:58pm |
Camping World RV Sales
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The economy must be improving
Times must be getting better. There are a whole lot more people complaining on the forums about the troubles they are having buying rigs and getting them serviced than are complaining about site prices and extra fees at parks. If this keeps up, the forums will soon be jammed by threads whining about how long it is going to take to get their new Newells built. Let the good times roll and happy camping!!
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westernrvparkowner
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05/23/12 01:55pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: How does CW recruit, train, audit managers, technicians?
During my morning walk, it occurred to me that CW may not be teaching its employes how to think about customers, hiring and training.
1. How much does it cost CW to acquire a service department customer who might spend $25,000 with CW over 5, 10 or 15 years?
2. How much does it cost CW to train sales people, technicians, managers and executives to not only be good at their technical jobs but also to be good with customers, suppliers and each other?
3. What is the return on investment to do everything right the first time, satisfy customers and bring them back for more good products, services and advice?Good luck getting all that information. After you have all that, why don't you continue on and get Kentucky Fried Chickens list of their 7 secret herbs and spices and the formula for Coca Cola. Francesca is probably right, it doesn't sound like you and Camping World are meant to be a couple.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/23/12 01:41pm |
Camping World RV Sales
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RE: Where not to camp
Do you still hunt your dinner with clubs and stones, too? :R
Hard lessen tom learn. Never use a credit card!:RIf they had used cash instead of a credit card, they would need those clubs and stones to have a chance at getting their money back. :)
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westernrvparkowner
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05/23/12 08:39am |
RV Parks, National Parks, State Campgrounds & More
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RE: Beware in keys
You didn't know it was being towed? Maybe you could give us a bit more of the story with a bit of punctuation and spell check so your post is a tad more understandable.
Why does some people have to say some thing about spelling? I cant spell for anything because im stupid.everyone got the point! And all the op was asking is if he got took. Yes he did! I think it was a scam. between the tow co. And the storage co.If the OP owed the storage money! why would the storage co. pay anything never mine 1/2. that tow shoud have only cost about $400. ! :M The spelling was brought up because the original post was nearly unreadable. It has been edited by the moderator. Just what towing company do you own that will tow a motorhome anywhere for $400.00, especially when you have to disconnect the drive shaft as part of the preparation? I am sure a lot of people on these forums would be glad to use your company to save big bucks. I am sure Good Sam ERS and Coachnet would be glad to send business to you at those rates. We apparently will never know the whole story, since Mr. Blackbeard apparently has sailed away. I agree something sounds fishy about the part where the storage company is willing to pay 1/2, but without the full story, we will never know.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/23/12 06:58am |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Why is it so hard to find a decent used unit???
Are you perhaps focusing your shopping on rigs that appear to be great deals based on book value, year, size, manufacturer etc. Rigs in excellent condition will generally not be listed at bargain basement prices. If the deal appears to be too good to be true, you are finding out the reasons why.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/22/12 09:17pm |
Class C Motorhomes
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RE: Beware in keys
I can offer no solution but....why didn't the Campground operator simply contact you and not this expensive mess happen?
Was he having a bad day and "I'll show him" kind of thing.
Since you mentioned disagreement did he contact you and you all not resolve it?Prpbably didn't contact the OP because the contact information he was given was incomplete. I seriously doubt the park didn't try. There have been numerous posts here from people who are so paranoid about their personal information they post that they give fake addresses and fake phone numbers, or just plain tell the park it is none of the park's business. Maybe the OP was dodging their calls, like they probably were other bill collectors.
Just was the park supposed to do, store the rig indefinitely? For all they knew, the guy was dead or in prison. I am reasonably sure this didn't work out in the Park's favor. They didn't get their rent for the three months. When the rent gets three months past due, it isn't an oversight, there is a problem. The park did the same thing I would do, get rid of the problem and make it someone else's concern. In this case, the towing company, which has much more experience dealing with abandoned vehicles, took over and guess what, owner is re-united with their rig, tow company makes money and the system once again works.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/22/12 03:24pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Ugly Encounter at Campground
No such animal as "unwritten rules". If it's a rule then it needs to be written and handed out to everyone who enters. That's the only way cutting through a site can be legally enforced.Actually, there are many "unwritten" rules. It is not written in our rules that you cannot dig a pit through the sod to barbeque a pig. It might be legal, but it is sure not allowed. I can enforce it and any other "rule" I make up on the fly. I own the place and can always bring out the old "Management reserves the right to refuse service to anyone, at any time, for any reason." I am marveling at all the people who are justifying extremely rude behavior. If common courtesy is not spelled out, it need not be observed? Hopefully these people will never grace the entryways of my parks.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/22/12 10:46am |
RV Lifestyle
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RE: Ugly Encounter at Campground
And since people can't follow or seem to grasp the concept of "Unwritten" rules, we have to enumerate them in our information packet. And people wonder why parks have long lists of rules. And, yes, another poster was correct, even if someone enters your site and trips over your dog or his leash, and gets injured, they are coming after you and me, mainly because you cannot sue yourself for being stupid. And the odds are about 99% that they will get a settlement. Stupid pays.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/22/12 10:23am |
RV Lifestyle
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RE: Sorry state of fuel in North America
Other than the price and running out when the low fuel light is on, I don't think I have ever spent one second worrying about gasoline, propane or diesel. I have never had a vehicle have a fuel related death or repair, save replacing the fuel filters as recommended. Though, on second thought, I did drain the old gas out of an old weed whacker I hadn't used for about three years and replaced it with fresh gas before I tried to start it. So I really did get concerned about the quality of fuel once. :)
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westernrvparkowner
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05/21/12 08:43am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Beware in keys
Arrrgh, methinks Blackbeard may have underestimated the scalliwags at the RV Park. When you don't pay attention to the relentless tides of payments, your ship will often run aground. To have ye vessel towed anywhere is an expensive proposition. $2200 in the Keys actually sounds like something not to mutiny over. We hand to hand over treasure in that amount to have our schooner towed from Elkhart to the cummins Shop in Fort Wayne. When I got that bill I too wanted to bring her along broadside and let off a baragge of canon fire. I sure understand the punctuation and grammar errors in the original post, it is probably hard to type with a hook for one hand and a parrot sitting on the other. Maybe if Backbeard stomps the Park Harbor Master with his pegleg he will feel better.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/20/12 07:45pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Sometimes financing makes sense
Debt is morally and ethically neutral, neither good, nor bad. Debt can destroy lives, but it can also allow people to do things that could never happen otherwise. The first park we bought cost $1.6 million dollars, a figure that would be unabtainable without financing, regardless of how good as savers we were. We were able to use our savings for the downpayment and borrow the remainder. Without financing, the rich would be the only people able to buy large assets, essentially eliminating the ability of all other people to ever climb the economic ladder.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/20/12 02:57pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Minnesota, South Dakota, bank interest & taxes
You have enough cash to pay taxes on bank interest? Kudos.
I would think a local tax accountant would be better source than an internet discussion board.Have to agree. With interest rates on savings and CDs hovering around 1/2 of 1 percent Each $100,000 in an account will earn about $500 a year. Interest within IRAs in not taxable. Unless you are really, really flush with cash, probably not a big issue.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/19/12 08:07pm |
Full-time RVing
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RE: Campgrounds with Private hot tubs on site???
So private means you can dicount the other 2,500 people that have been in it before you.........LMAO
LOL. Although not in the Midwest, Willow Tree near Myrtle Beach says they change the water out when a camper leaves.Would expect that such a site and policy would command very high premium price. Costs of labor and fuel to empty, clean and refill and then reheat a hottub every time a guest left would have to be pretty dang high. Add to that the costs of maintance and purchasing the tubs in the first place, you are looking at a very expensive proposition. Any clues what they charge?
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westernrvparkowner
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05/19/12 12:06pm |
RV Parks, National Parks, State Campgrounds & More
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RE: Non Paying Jobs
Your gate guarding positions will be among the first to go away. If the companies were forced to hire all their workers and pay them minimum wages 40 hours on shift, overtime over that amount, and report sites and fuel and water and your free meals etc. as compensation, they will go to cameras and remote controlled gates pretty quickly.Sorry, but it did happen and the jobs are still here at, if a couple 8 straight each and 4 each o/t per day and if a single 8 straight and 16 o/t. The jobs didn't go away and there are plenty to go around. Your threats scare no one, but does speak volumes to your concerns of your workampers...
Believe me, the DoL is looking at many of these "jobs" that are considered barter, contracted or under paid and this is straight from the DoL lawyer that interviewed us.Who am I threatening? You yourself said that if people pushed the issue and parks were put under the microscope there would be a lot of them run out of business. If they go out of business, wouldn't it follow that the workamping jobs would go away as well? If you are correct, I am all for it. Less parks, less competition, higher rates, more profits for me. However, I do have a concern for all the people in the industry, and I don't really want a lot of parks to go out of business. I don't want workampers who are perfectly happy with their arrangements to lose their jobs because someone sticks their nose in other people's business. And by the way, you have to do a little more research. You are going to find that not very many park owners are making a "fortune" to use your words.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/17/12 07:14pm |
Workamping Forum
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RE: Non Paying Jobs
The CG owners are going down a road traveled by some other businesses that are now deeply mired in a lawsuit, courtesy of the Dept of labor. All it is going to take is a couple of folks to complain to the DoL and the law suit will be on. The cost to the CG owner if they lose, will be such, that many will close and file for bankruptcy. sorry to say, but some don't care, they just want their fortune now and let the chips fall where they may.You are sure welcome to get it going. I will be fine, we pay our employees for all the hours they work, and charge them a discounted (but not below costs, which would be a wage and hour violation) rate for their sites. If it becomes a big issue, and having workampers becomes a red flag to the taxing authorities, we will hire local help. We enjoy and value the friendships and common interests we share with our workampers, but if it going to paint a target on us from the IRS, we will kiss them goodbye. If the goal is to eliminate workamping as an option for full-timers, I think you have a good plan. If you think it would somehow make parks sudddenly start paying high wages, you are way off. It isn't that hard to fill unskilled labor positions with near minimim wage part time employees. If workampers aren't available, college kids and people needing second jobs are. I really don't see why some people get all caught up in what two willing parties agree to. How does it hurt you? Turn them all in. Your gate guarding positions will be among the first to go away. If the companies were forced to hire all their workers and pay them minimum wages 40 hours on shift, overtime over that amount, and report sites and fuel and water and your free meals etc. as compensation, they will go to cameras and remote controlled gates pretty quickly.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/17/12 06:27pm |
Workamping Forum
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RE: Non Paying Jobs
Apparently there are enough people to fill the positions. Otherwise either rates of pay would be increasing, or parks would be closing due to lack of help. Don't know of too many jobs that provide housing, so why is it so weird that some Parks require either payment or hours worked for you to have a place at the park. They could just hire locals and not have to even consider paying housing costs. I am amazed at the applications we get with the restrictions and demands that potential employees are requesting before they have even spoken to us. They want certain days off, won't work holidays or weekends, won't do this or that. These resumes make a trip to the circular file, we have no problems finding people who are interested in working with us, not in conflict with us.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/17/12 01:11pm |
Workamping Forum
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RE: Good Sam Campground Discount
Where the park made it's mistake was not just pricing the special event timeframe at a rate high enough that they would feel comfortable with the 10% discount being applied. Such pricing structure is almost universal throughout the lodging industry, and is becoming much more widespread in the RV Park industry.
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westernrvparkowner
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05/17/12 08:09am |
Good Sam Club
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