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RE: Pulling through Salt Lake City
The route up Legacy Parkway to US-89 to I-84 is less of a pull, but a good hour longer if headed over to Evanston, Wyo.
I drive from Evanston, Wyoming to SLC quite often and I drive both routes quite often. There is only about 15-20 min. difference between the I-84 thru Weber Canyon and Parleys (Park City). Map Quest shows I-84 route @ 1 hr. 35 min. and 95 miles. I-80 thru Park City @ 1 hr. 22 min. and 82 miles. If you are headed up to PC from SLC pulling the grade, it will be longer.
I agree, but some think it is a lot longer route, but not really, would be coming out of south salt lake, but farther north, and davis county, it is the only way to go. Coming from 80 past the airport weber canyon is the best route. OP took our advice, good for him, much better route.
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05/24/12 06:52pm |
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RE: Pulling through Salt Lake City
Thanks for all the advice guys, we are sitting in Wendover right now waiting to head in, in the morning. Only pulling 12k and have lots of power, chipped 7.3 but will always look for the easy route.
I also tow with a tuned 7.3, and a 13K fifth wheel, and really have no desire to pull Parleys , I always go 84. It is just a long pull that is not necessary towing heavy.
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05/23/12 09:12pm |
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RE: Pulling through Salt Lake City
We just came through there about three weeks ago. Went from Lander, Wyoming to Zion and dropped off I-80 to go past Park City and then through Provo and then on to I-15. Thought that was bad as the route went right through the middle of Provo and past the BYU campus with a ton of stoplights. However, that wasn't as bad as going around Salt Lake City that following Saturday, no rush hour or anything special like a football game, and it was a mess from around Provo to the by-pass and onto the eastern part of it. There was construction for about 15 miles and bumper to bumper traffic all the way and I did run into some drivers who would not let me get over when I put my turn signal on to get into the right lane. Mind you, I was only pulling a 30" fifth-wheel so it was easy for me to make quick turns and stops. However, one driver did let me in and we got through but it was not something I would do on a normal trip and, if I had known how bad it was, I would have gone through Provo and past Park City again. If you have any way to drop down and go through Provo and then hook up with I-80 further east, I would recommend you do it.
That is not the route he needs to go from where he is coming from, he does not need to get close to Provo coming east on 80 from Nevada, he can go north when he reaches SLC on 215, which runs in to 15 take 89 further north, and exit off 89 on to 84 which intersects 80 to Evanston ,Wyo. which is where he is headed if he wants to go on 80 east bound.
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05/23/12 08:25am |
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RE: Pulling through Salt Lake City
Anybody pull through SLC west to east on I80 lately' Heading through there tomorrow or Thur.
I live in the Salt Lake area, you have rush hour, just like any other large city, early morning, late afternoon, but it should not be any trouble if you are rolling right thru on 80, I travel east on 80 out of Salt Lake couple times a month to fish ,no big deal.
I might add,it is a pretty good pull over Parleys Canyon on 80 just east of Salt Lake, there are better routes, but a little out of the way if you coming from Nevada on 80 . I would go north on 215 ,and 15 ,and catch 84 east, then it intersects with 80 a few miles east of Morgan. IMO a better route out of Salt Lake to Wyoming if you are towing.
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05/22/12 11:01pm |
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RE: New Montana 3402
Give it up Arizona - you're ruining a happy thread! I know you're trying to make a point, but point it out on your own thread. Let us Montana owners enjoy our Montanas without your rhetoric?
cKarlGo - Congratulations on that new Montana! It's cool how the walkthrough bathroom has come back. That makes three bathroom floorplans available that should open up a little more of the market. Bathrooms are important and it seems the preferences by the consumer are very diverse.
Thanks ,hopefully Dean, and the rest will get the hint, and leave the happy threads alone.
Yea, congratulations on the new Montana, wishing I was getting a new one, but for now will have to put up with the old 2008
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05/19/12 09:08pm |
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RE: 5R110 Torqshift behind a 7.3L?
The 5R110 will not bolt to a 7.3L. An adapter could fix that.
Then you need a way to control it. It is impossible to make the 4R100 controller work with the 5R110. Not difficult, it's impossible.
Getting the engine computer to talk to the trans computer is probably possible, but it's not going to be some simple conversion box, the 7.3L computer doesn't even calculate all the information the 5R110 controller needs, and it's loop time is WAY to slow for the 5R110 controller. It would be cheaper and faster to invent your own computer and write your own software. Budget several years and a few hundred thousand dollars to do this job right. Of course a hack job would be cheaper and faster, but it's not going to work very well.
Most swaps are at least possible. This one is theoretically possible, but not at all practicle.
Several people have told me that PCS makes a controller that can control the 5R110. Nobody has ever been able to tell me of even one person that has done this successfully. I don't think the PCS has the power to get that job done. Prove me wrong.
Thanks, Mark; the impracticality of it makes my decision easy-- if I go 7.3L again, it'll be with a built 4r100 behind it.
If I'm rationale here, if my use of the truck is such that I "miss" a deeper first gear and more cogs, I probably would need a bigger/more powerful truck at that point.
Glad that got straightened out.
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05/19/12 10:07am |
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RE: New Montana 3402
A manufacturer has the choice of including the cost of the longer warranty in a higher price or improving quality so the cost of the longer warranty can be absorbed without having to raise prices. I'm betting a few wi ll do the latter. Their sales will probably increase because of the longer warranty and higher quality. We currently don't have any data to prove that manufacturers with longer warranty have increased their prices to cover their longer warranty. The real thing that is important is what has been the total cost of ownership for the owner. I'm betting it will be lower.
We have no prove that the a longer warranty is saving the consumer anything, maybe a piece of mind IMO. There is certainly no prove or data either way. Improving quality is going to add additional cost, more inspection, more people, etc. Better quality does not come without a price, the old adage pretty much still holds true, you get what you pay for ,better quality higher price, there has to be a trade off somewhere. IMO these longer warranties are trying to compete with the Montana ( yes this the subject here ) , and the sales pretty much proves the Montana is still leading the pack. Nothing will change in your way of thinking, unless someone comes along with something more attractive than a longer warranty, or a better fifth wheel. IMO Montana will almost certainly continue to do what they do as long as the bottom line continues. So far it has worked pretty good for around 14 years when many have come ,and gone in that time.
A false assumption. Building a RV right the first time is the lowest cost RV for the manufacturer and the customer. Anyone who thinks high quality costs more has never run a manufacturing plant.
I don't disagree with you on quality, but I have no false assumptions on rv quality, they manufacture to certain standards, and they sell. If there poor quality is eating up their profit thru warranty or lost sales , and that's the case, then two things are going to happen, either they go out of business, or they improve their quality. Well it appears that Montana is doing something right.
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05/19/12 09:50am |
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RE: More ryde suspension products
OP, If you have any part of the suspension apart, be sure to install a "Wet Bolt" kit.
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05/18/12 07:11pm |
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RE: New Montana 3402
A manufacturer has the choice of including the cost of the longer warranty in a higher price or improving quality so the cost of the longer warranty can be absorbed without having to raise prices. I'm betting a few wi ll do the latter. Their sales will probably increase because of the longer warranty and higher quality. We currently don't have any data to prove that manufacturers with longer warranty have increased their prices to cover their longer warranty. The real thing that is important is what has been the total cost of ownership for the owner. I'm betting it will be lower.
We have no prove that the a longer warranty is saving the consumer anything, maybe a piece of mind IMO. There is certainly no prove or data either way. Improving quality is going to add additional cost, more inspection, more people, etc. Better quality does not come without a price, the old adage pretty much still holds true, you get what you pay for ,better quality higher price, there has to be a trade off somewhere. IMO these longer warranties are trying to compete with the Montana ( yes this the subject here ) , and the sales pretty much proves the Montana is still leading the pack. Nothing will change in your way of thinking, unless someone comes along with something more attractive than a longer warranty, or a better fifth wheel. IMO Montana will almost certainly continue to do what they do as long as the bottom line continues. So far it has worked pretty good for around 14 years when many have come ,and gone in that time.
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05/18/12 06:46pm |
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RE: Transmission oil change
Realistically though, you don't need to do a flush unless the fluid has been overheated or neglected. A regular transmission service recommended by Ford should suffice if done at regular intervals.
I too, am not a fan of the flushers.
Add the pressure of a flush instead of a drain and fill, you have a recipie for disaster.
I have heard too many horror stories about transmission flush and the tranny failing after wards especially if the oil was in bad shape
More often than not a drain and fill is all that is needed.
All great advice IMO.
But as to your question the only way to change ALL the fluid is with the flush.
Don't know about flushing, I am assuming it is using a machine, but there is a good write up about changing the fluid on the 4R100, don't know if that is called flushing ,but it sure seems to replace all the fluid, and is done by letting the transmission pump do all the work . That is the way I have always done mine, but we are talking 5R110, not the 4R100, that some keep referring to. Have no idea if the same procedure works on the 5R110.
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05/18/12 06:17pm |
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RE: Transmission oil change
Any of the Speedy Lube or the like have a displacement machine that will change all the fluid - about 18 qts.
If you want to do it yourself this is how I do mine.
- remove the output hose at the radiator (bottom) from the transmission
- connect a rubber extension about 12"-15" long to reach an empty 1 gallon fluid container (this may be any tubing to extend the copper tubing to assist in draining into a 1 gallon container)
- start the motor and when 1 gallon has been dispensed, refill thru the upper fill/check tube under the hood
- using the newly emptied 1 gallon bottle use it to catch the next 1 gallon dispensed - repeat until you have dispensed 4 gallons
- top it off if it is low
Dispose of fluid at any autoparts store.
You are done.
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This is the same procedure as described here (with some minor tweaks). Smokey is a highly respected contributor on the Dieselstop.com forum.
Changing Transmission Fluid in a Ford
You are posting a link to flushing a 4R100, the op's question is the 5R110, and I believe a different animal than the 4R100 when it comes to changing the fluid, but the procedure you gave for the 4R100 works very well , have done it several times on mine.
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05/18/12 05:59pm |
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RE: Firestone Airbg has a leak somewhere.
Thanks for the tips. Don't take this wrong, but glad I am not the only one with issues. How do I remove the lines form the fittings. I remember just shoving them into the slots, but I don't remember a way to remove the lines. I have a chance to work on it tomorrow, but I have not had the time to get under the truck in a while. I have jsut been running without air for a while, letting my bilsteins and overloads do the work.
If you notice there is a small sleeve, for a better choice of words, that can be pushed in just a fraction ,and will release the air line, the sleeve is on the air line side unless you have a connection hooking two air lines together, then the release will be on both ends of the connector, just push the sleeve, and pull on the air line at the same time, and it will come out. Hope this helps.
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05/18/12 05:38pm |
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RE: 5R110 Torqshift behind a 7.3L?
No matter how much you build up a 4R100, is still doesn't have the ratios advantage of the TorqueShift.
Powertrain Control Solution (PCS) makes a controller for the 5R110, but they don't support the programming. This requires ordering the PCS unit from Destroked.com who does the programming.
The factory Ford ECU will assume the truck has a manual transmission if the transmission control harness is unplugged, so it will still operate the motor properly.
Okay, it has an advantage, one more gear ,holds the gears a little longer, more power towing to get started. Out on the open road in OD same rpm, I don't claim to know how it all works, but I don't see a great advantage. Everyday driving, skip the towing, is there enough advantage to warrant the cost, unless it would cost less to go 5R110, then to properly build a 4R100 , if the time came when the 4R100 needs to be rebuilt. Heck we all would go the 5R110 if that is the case.
I may be mistaken, but this all may be a mute point, I thought I read on one of the ford forums that the 7.3 will not match up to the 5R110, this coming from Mark . Again it may have been something else concerning the 7.3. Have read a lot of threads on the 7.3, and don't remember anyone doing this conversion. Hopefully Mark Kovalsky will set us straight.
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05/18/12 05:28pm |
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RE: 5R110 Torqshift behind a 7.3L?
http://www.thedieselgarage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49720
Opinion is that a properly built 4r100 is stronger.
There is a custom ATS controller that can handle the software.
Immediate question:
Why can't the 2002 Ford TCM/ECM just be reprogrammed... the factory does it.
BTS in Arkansas , or John Woods in California will solve any problems one will ever have with the 4R100, Why go to all the trouble to adapt another transmission when what you have can be rebuilt. I have 120K on my 4R100 without issue towing heavy, but you have to understand the 4R100, ford failed to put an adequate cooler on it, and we all know heat kills. Couple things that I have done , one is I took out the OEM cooler, and installed a 31 row 6.0 cooler, second thing I did was add a DP tuner, that changed completely the way it shifts, much more positive. I don't know what there is to gain with a 5R110 unless you think you need one more gear.
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05/18/12 08:36am |
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RE: New Montana 3402
Our 3402 Big Sky should be here any day.The 2nd bath and 6 point leveling system was a must have. Hope the paint job takes care of the graphics issue. We have been unloading our 06 3400 Montana for a week. Can not believe the "stuff" in there. It will NOT go all back.
This will be our 6th Rv and the first time we purchased the same brand. Not saying the Montana is better than any of the others but coud not find another that we thought was better.
You hit the nail on the head , Quote : " Not saying the Montana is better than any of the others but could not find another that we thought was better ". That is hard for some here on the forum to grasp, yes they all have problems. I have been very fortunate to have owned two Montana's with very few problems. Some are convinced that longer warranties, or the known higher end are somehow going to be better, when in reality, and this is something you have pointed out time and again, they are built by the same work force,same vendors ,etc.
Have you looked at all the engineering drawings of each manufacturer and compared each feature such as frame specifications & dimensions, wall/ceiling/floor specifications/construction, specifications for all material used, etc, etc. Until one does that diligently, one cannot say they are all the same.
I did not do any of those things diligently, nor do I intend to. I know some have a hard time understanding this, but there are many happy Montana Fifth Wheel owners . To discredit everyone that has something good to say is beyond me. It's apparent you do not like the Montana fifth wheel, and thats okay with me, what's not okay is discrediting everything good that is said. State your problems , I have no doubt you have many complaints, but trust me when I say I have been very happy with my 2008 3400RL ,and have been for nearly 4*1/2 years.
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05/16/12 09:03pm |
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RE: New Montana 3402
Our 3402 Big Sky should be here any day.The 2nd bath and 6 point leveling system was a must have. Hope the paint job takes care of the graphics issue. We have been unloading our 06 3400 Montana for a week. Can not believe the "stuff" in there. It will NOT go all back.
This will be our 6th Rv and the first time we purchased the same brand. Not saying the Montana is better than any of the others but coud not find another that we thought was better.
You hit the nail on the head , Quote : " Not saying the Montana is better than any of the others but could not find another that we thought was better ". That is hard for some here on the forum to grasp, yes they all have problems. I have been very fortunate to have owned two Montana's with very few problems. Some are convinced that longer warranties, or the known higher end are somehow going to be better, when in reality, and this is something you have pointed out time and again, they are built by the same work force,same vendors ,etc.
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05/16/12 09:03am |
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RE: first tow - 2005 F250 Powerstroke impressions
I'm happy with mine, thousands of others are happy with theirs. I could care less about trade-in value as I will keep the truck until the wheels fall off.
To the original poster, maintain your truck per the owners manual, resist the urge to put a tuner or chip on the truck, and don't baby the truck, and the vast majority of the problems reported by those who have trolled in this thread will not befall you. Enjoy your truck!
A well looked after 6.0 is simply the best deal out there.
If I can afford a E-350 2010 6.0 diesel with 20,000 miles or less on it, I would buy it today.
2010 6.0 ??? I thought they ended in 2007.
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05/15/12 01:59pm |
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RE: I hate to say it.
AAHHH !!! This is what DSteiner51 was talking about.
Yup, four pages of dribble, but it is always entertaining to read, and watch the troll being fed. Please continue :)
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up2nogood
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05/11/12 05:43pm |
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RE: Montana 5th wheels
Frank,
What part is argumentative in this post?
Did you not read Lostin reply to richfa, then our replies to him ??
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up2nogood
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05/11/12 05:36pm |
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RE: Anyone running BFG A/T, KO
Glad others have only gotten 40K out of them. Found at least in the NW wet snow to be totally useless. Bought two sets a number of years ago, never again. Found other tires that are better all around traction, last 50-60K miles loaded/towing etc. too much money for what you get etc.
Marty
I have to agree, this last set ,which are getting close to the end have not worn like I thought they would. Yes they are spendy. They pick up rocks worse than any other all terrain tire I have had. Had them in the sand once, and that was enough, but they did have nearly 70 psi in them.
For what it is worth the Cooper Discoverer AT3 is the #1 rated tire in consumer report, with the Michelin AT2 being #2 . Coopers being a lot cheaper then the TA's or the Michelin . When I purchased my last set of BFG's the tire shop tried to talk me into the Michelins, which were fairly new at the time. They were pretty much the same price as the BFG's . Wished now that I would of given the Michelins a shot, maybe this time, or possibly the Coopers.
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05/11/12 07:54am |
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