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RE: Ford 6.7 debacle just gets crazier
I surely don't know the total number of failures versus actual units in use for the Ford 6.7L diesel.
But good grief, despite threads like this, and other sites like the Ford Truck Enthusiast web site, these reports are generally, for the most part, still within the domain of no more than gossip or rumor.
Yes, I know Ricatic had a problem, and that is not rumor or gossip. But to go off on Ford (and I admit I typed without thinking too clearly and did it here yesterday) is just like a couple old ladies talking at the church social.
Lets take a step back, a deep breath, and relax a little and see what actually happens.
For all we imagine here, we are NOT a good sample of Ford truck owners, or any other brand, here in the US. We are actually a vast minority of owners, who seem to specialize in blowing problems out of proportion to what they actually might be.
Norsky
I understand your frustration with the HPFP discussion. However, there are many more verified Ford HPFP failures than mine. The issue is that the KoolAid drinkers are wont to deny any HPFP issue that occurred after an owner received a WIF warning. I have had guys contact me privately with information about Ford HPFP failures who did not want to go on FTE because of the "troll label" they might get for posting there. There is a member here and at FTE who works for a major utility in California. They have over 400 6.7 Ford's. He PM'ed me about their 6.7 HPFP failures. They have had several with some not being covered by warranty.
Titan fuel tanks have been blamed for several failures. The main problem has never been addressed. How is a WIF light the premise for negating the warranty on the HPFP? The WIF light is not supposed to be a "$12000 repair bill light". Ford makes the rules...you live by them...
Shame on Ford
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02/08/12 07:25am |
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RE: So whats with all the crew cabs?
Crew Cab is more practical of course.
We pull a TT so we have our TV in a crew cab short box format, helps when in a mall parking lot where there are marked parking bays.
Caution to all.............
Some manage to use crew cab TVs when towing a FIVER.
However, if one still has any warranty left on the TV be cautious when taking the TV to the shop for warranty work....why?
Well, in the TV driver's handbook it might mention that said TV is NOT designed or constructed for towing a FIVER.
So, if ones TV is in the shop and the 5th wheel hitch is still in the truck's bed....some one might notice this and decline to complete any warranty work.
As far as I know only the Ram Mega Cab has a long box.
All other Crew/Quad Cab TVs do not offer a long box.
Of course one will see Crew/Quad/ Cab TVs pulling Fivers.
However, to my mind that is unstable because....
one should want to have the 5th wheel hitch in the TVs bed as far forward/ahead of the TVs rear axle as possible for the stability I would have thought?
With a 6' or 6.5' bed the stability would be questionable?
So in general for stability and avoiding damage to the front of a towed RV the rule is.....
Fivers = Reg or Ext Cab
TT = Reg, Ext or Crew Cab
Yes, some people use a 'slider' 5th wheel hitch in their TVs short bed.
That certainly helps avoid damaging the fiver's front end when turning, but still does not improve stability.
I thought we buried that dead horse...have you read the owners manual or towing guides for any HD CC SB truck of any manufacturer in the last several years. They all have fifth wheel towing information for fifth wheels. Mine clearly states I can tow up to 15,500 pounds of fiver...:h
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02/07/12 06:08am |
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RE: Ford 6.7 debacle just gets crazier
Ricatic:
I'm just going to admit stupidity here and ask.
Whats DLC stand for???????
Diamond Like Coatings...a term for high tech coatings that change the surface characteristics making them more durable and heat resistant. Bosch has been using them for several years in their HPFP's.
The new HPFP's run at such high pressures and temperatures that these coatings are being pushed to their limits. There has been a 50% increase in pressure in the last two years. Speculation, backed by good science, is that the coatings are struggling with these higher mechanical demands and chemical reactions created by the petroleum recipes.
Interesting stuff...good thing I have a good friend who can explain it...
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ricatic
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02/06/12 05:39pm |
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RE: Ford 6.7 debacle just gets crazier
NewsW:
I surely hope you are wrong on that idea.
Not to say its not a good thought. Its original and anything is possible.
But for us new Ford owners, dumping additive into the fuel to effect the lubricity level of the fuel, its a death sentence.
For it means there is nothing we can do to avoid pump problems.
I still think there is some lubricity issues but the DLC failure possibility does explain why the camshaft in my failed HPFP looks the way it does.
I am pursuing this angle with the help of a good friend.Time will tell where this will go.I have seen a report that clearly says that certain components in the ULSD recipe do attack the DLC material. It is all about pressure and temperature...and at 30,000 PSI, we have a lot of both...the search for the truth continues...
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ricatic
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02/06/12 04:08pm |
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RE: Ford 6.7 debacle just gets crazier
To understand the video production, you need to know the genesis. The video was the result of a member, Darren32, at FTE that dissected his filter and found ferrous grindings. He posted pictures of the grindings sticking to a magnet. He was very concerned because this was the second set of filters.
The autopsy performed on my HPFP clearly shows both ferrous and aluminum destruction. Knowing this, Darren was justifiably concerned about where the metal came from and do others have similar deposits. I am not surprised that Epic found nothing...99% of the HPFP's are fine at this point. Only time will tell how the poor fuel quality and the marginal pump specs will really work out.
The secondary filter does not come apart. The hammer has been the tool of choice for removing the filter element. I chucked mine in a vice and used a hacksaw to cut off the bottom 1/4 inch. No plastic particles in my filter...or anything else that could be seen with the naked eye.
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ricatic
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02/05/12 07:48am |
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RE: Ford 6.7 debacle just gets crazier
Let's muddy the waters a bit more:
FTE - 2011 6.7L Fuel Filter Inspection - VIDEO
Nothing conclusive here but I've asked for Epic to post mileage when the fuel filter was installed and when dissected.
A typical fine job be Epic. Why do you think this muddies the water? I did not expect to see much in the filters. Mine were clean except for the metal from the pump.
I am sure the video made one FTE member a bit more nervous. He found metal in his filter. His findings were what started the filter inspections.
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ricatic
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02/04/12 08:21pm |
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RE: Ford 6.7 debacle just gets crazier
Interesting...they just settled the VW deal
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ricatic
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02/01/12 01:13pm |
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RE: Fifth Wheels What Do You Like About Them?
There is nothing wrong with a TT we had 4 of them.Now that we travel a lot more we went to the 5th wheel as it tows easier and is less stressful to deal with..IMO.It is all in how you intend to sue the RV.
...no discussions of lawsuits allowed on this forum...:B
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01/30/12 09:52am |
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RE: DRV Toyhauler
I don't get it.....
Mav
...neither did I
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01/30/12 07:37am |
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RE: Fifth Wheels What Do You Like About Them?
In my 40 years of camping, I have tried them all. Tent, popup trailer, pickup camper, TT, Class C MH, Class A MH, DP MH and now the Big Horn fifth wheel. The DP MH was the most memorable camper until I went to this fifth wheel.
There is more storage in this fiver than anything I have ever owned. After 3 summers, the cabinets are still not full. I like the way it tows and having the pickup available when we arrive. It may not be the best combination for everyone...but it works for me
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ricatic
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01/30/12 07:31am |
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RE: DRV Toyhauler
I asked for and received a brochure. It is not configured like traditional toy haulers. The rear wall of the living quarters slides back into the garage when parked. There is no access to the garage from the living area. There is no side access door either.
The area opened up by the moving rear wall is designated as a dinette area with the main big screen television hung on the back wall over the dinner table.
...very different...not what I was looking for...
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ricatic
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01/29/12 08:15pm |
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RE: RAM 5500 "Long Hauler" a reality?
double post
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ricatic
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01/26/12 04:51pm |
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RE: RAM 5500 "Long Hauler" a reality?
Might tow great but solo the fillings could fall out of your teeth like the 550 fords.
chevman
If she comes to market and we buy one, she'll only be used for towing. If she moves solo, it won't be for very far.
Definitely not thrilled at all about the possibility of dealing with DEF but if we like it enough, I may just have to concede that. Here's hoping!!!
Happy camping!!! See y'all down the road!!!:)
What is your hesitation regarding DEF? Current owners of Ford and GM DEF equipped truck are enjoying more power with cleaner emissions and better fuel mileage. The cost of the DEF, $2.69 a gallon at truck stop pumps everywhere, is more than compensated by the improved fuel economy. Other than a few owners who had some very minor issues with the NOX sensors, the DEF system has been quite reliable. Not looking for an argument...just know from experience that he DEF issue is a non-issue.
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01/26/12 04:49pm |
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RE: Help before I buy
I have a similar truck...and I pull a similar load as yours but I am ready to camp
I have weighed my truck and Big Horn fifth wheel several times. The fiver weighed 10750 pounds empty. It had about 1900 pounds on the pin. Loaded, my 13000 pound Big Horn has a pin weight of 2450 pounds. My truck has a 11500 pound GVW and a GCVWR of 23500 pounds. In this configuration, I am just 300 pounds under GVW and about 1300 pounds under GCVWR. I have about 900 pounds of rear axle capacity but to use it would put me over GVW.
Your proposed purchase weighs a bit more empty than my Big Horn but the listed empty pin weight is much closer to my loaded pin weight. I see no way that you can stay under the GVW with anything in the front of the trailer.
Would I worry about it...probably not as long as I could get the balance close enough. The truck will handle the load. But you show an interest in being within the trucks specifications...I think you will find that hard to do...
I use a B&W Companion hitch to pull the Big Horn. With it's scalloped front cap, I have never needed a sliding hitch. I believe the Voltage front cap is similar.
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ricatic
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01/26/12 11:44am |
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RE: RAM 5500 "Long Hauler" a reality?
I wonder where the DEF tank will be? I would be in line for one.
Unless I'm mistaken, Cummins doesn't need DEF to meet emissions. Just a DPF.
Happy camping!!! See y'all down the road!!!:)
...not mistaken for 2012...but the current Dodge DPF/High Duty Cycle EGR driven emissions system has to be upgraded somehow for 2013. This was according to the Dodge truck guy's I talked to at the Detroit Auto Show. The current system will not pass 2013 emissions. They hinted at DEF because it is on the chassis/cabs but would not commit 100%.
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ricatic
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01/26/12 09:44am |
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RE: Ford Diesels
It depends on how much you use the truck for towing and where you typically tow.
If this is a daily driver and gets used on occasion (couple times a year) for towing a trailer I would get the 3.31.
If you tow more regularly but do it in mostly flat areas I would get the 3.55.
If you tow regularly and have a lot of hills- no question the 3.73 is what I would get.
And forget about the wheel size when considering what rear end- it is the tire size that is going to give you the information you need to make an educated decision.
OK...one more time...you can not get a 3.73 gear ratio in a 6.7 Ford Diesel SRW truck...at least not from the factory. You can not get a limited slip gear set in a SRW truck either...e-locker only
For the most part, Ford decides which size rubber and which gear ratio you will get with the truck. As 4x4ord stated, there is some limited opportunity to play with the gearing and the 17 and 18 inch rubber...so, you can forget about the wheel size but not for the reasons stated...
F350 Dually's come with a 3.73 gear set and limited slip is available. This is because it does not use a Ford Sterling rear end but rather a Dana assembly. Certain configurations of dually's can be had with the 4.30 gearing.
Unless you have towed heavy, up and down some long 9% grades, with these new powerhouse diesels with 6 speed automatic transmissions, it is hard to shake the old thinking that you need these high numerical gear ratios. I have towed up and down these steep grades towing at near capacity with my 2011 F350 SRW CC SB FX4 6.7 powered truck turning 20 inch rubber with 3.55 gearing many times. The truck will fly over the top at 65 mph with out straining. Flatlands, it just rolls along as fast as you want to go.
The question now is not can it do the job pulling these big loads. It is will it stay running all the way to the top...:E:E:E
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ricatic
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01/26/12 09:35am |
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RE: Ford Diesels
Go with the 3.55
You can not get the 3.55 gears with 20 inch rubber...but with certain equipment packages, you can get the 3.55 gears with 17 or 18 inch rubber.
IN 18 month of owning and following the Ford 6.7 truck, I have not seen anyone complain about the gearing in their truck. 3.31 or 3.55, does not matter. The truck has plenty of power to handle any load up to GCVWR...
..but there are other issues
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Huh? I have 20" wheels and 3.55 locking rear and I just built one on Ford's website the same way. You are wrong, or you have a typo.
typo...fixed...I am well aware of the availabilities...thanks for pointing it out...
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ricatic
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01/26/12 09:15am |
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RE: RAM 5500 "Long Hauler" a reality?
I wonder where the DEF tank will be? I would be in line for one.
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ricatic
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01/26/12 09:09am |
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RE: Ford Diesels
Go with the 3.55
Why...based on what facts...The gearing ratio choice is really taken out of the buyers hands by Ford. The 3.31 ratio is available in SRW configuration and 17inch or 18 inch rubber only. You can not get the 3.31 gears with 20 inch rubber...but with certain equipment packages, you can get the 3.55 gears with 17 or 18 inch rubber.
IN 18 month of owning and following the Ford 6.7 truck, I have not seen anyone complain about the gearing in their truck. 3.31 or 3.55, does not matter. The truck has plenty of power to handle any load up to GCVWR...
..but there are other issues
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edited to fix typo...or temporary brain seizure...
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ricatic
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01/26/12 04:26am |
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RE: Ford Diesels
Anyone towing with an F-250 with a 3.31 gears ever have problems losing power on inclines? I'm getting ready to order a new one and the 3.31 is standard on the F-250 diesel. Seems a little light for long inclines . I've never pulled with less than a 3.73. Their 3.55 is a $3,000.00 add on so this needs to be right. I'm pulling around 13,500 lbs. Any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks
They offer a 4.30 axle in the 2012 Ford diesel. Probably a little less mileage but is what I would opt for.
Sorry...Duallies only on the 4.30 gears...SRW Diesel Fords get 3.31 or 3.55 gears...and the 6.7 will pull anything anywhere easily at rated capacities with either the 3.31 or 3.55...keeping it running would be a whole other question...:(
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ricatic
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01/25/12 07:24pm |
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