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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
me2 has posted pictures of his previous 5.9L Fummins before on the forums.
I still have it. Its been my daily driver the last few days. Theft damage and all. Its a great truck. Just can't kill it.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-A4ICV1y0Cn8/TIP18l7FXsI/AAAAAAAAAXI/qdpNnHdtSk0/s800/IMG_8842-preview2.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VfEjCtk8iQI/TIP15LAM_DI/AAAAAAAAAXE/Mpj9qTDrP8k/s800/IMG_8839-preview2.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LJEV-xmFquI/TBG4ZuLWzVI/AAAAAAAAAN8/IDuxge6ZAaY/s800/IMG_9611-preview2.jpg
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03/15/12 10:08pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
BTW, thanks for all the support this week with this issue. It was a pretty tense couple days for me.
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03/15/12 04:29pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
Yet he is the one that bought a 6.whatever diesel with known issues!!! The only diesel that should ever be put into any truck is a cummins! Which is about the only smart thing the op may be doing.
Ummm... thanks, I think ???
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03/15/12 03:56pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
Yea, where are all those pics?
I just got the swap transmission on Friday ! And I am currently welderless (for the first time in 20 years.)
Its going to take me another few weeks to get all my ducks in a row before I pull the 6.4 and start installing the 6.7.
Here is a picture of my 5.9 swap, to hold you over for a while.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--Mp_EcKQ5T8/T1-rIYrdBWI/AAAAAAAAA70/g4QC8UZEt1U/s800/dscn0038.jpg
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03/15/12 03:55pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
I might have missed it somewhere but what was the name of the Dealership and in what town is it located? Happen to remember the name of the service writer and techs? From your reporting of such good service I would like to write their name in my log book just in case I am in that part of the country and need quality service.
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I'm a longggg way from you. If you ever break down on the other coast, PM me.
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03/15/12 03:51pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
I can agree with almost everything you posted except the "Dodge transmissions are weak, all of them" No more so then Ford's transmissions.
The 47RE was maxed at the stock ratings yes, but the 48RE has proven to be a very good trans Yep. You are exactly right. I should have said all the transmissions behind the 6.7.
and the 68RE is rated as good as the famed Allison. Loaded statement.
The 68RFE is junk, especially for towing. It fails behind the Cummins 6.7 at stock power and with any enhancements to the 6.7. www.cumminsforum.com is your friend. http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/6-7l-performance-parts-discussion/
Furthermore, there is no way to beef up a 68RFE. Several transmission rebuilders have programs under way to replace the entire OD drum setup to increase the capacity of the 68RFE.
I'd love to use a 68RFE in my swap. It would bolt right up to the engine and the later Cummins ECMs control it directly. But its just not feasible.
The G56 gives a lot of trouble too. And once you turn up a 6.7, you need a double disk clutch, which has its own set of problems.
As far as the Allison, I gave it a good look and it is not the great transmission that everyone makes it out to be.
So let me see if I understand you here. You are OK with Fords weak/junk diesels but have an issue with Dodge's weak/junk transmissions? Trans replacement for a built DTT 48RE tow monster without install labor is about $3,800 that is with a custom built torque converter. That's less money than the labor to pull the cab and pump on a Ford! I can replace my trans 5 times for the cost of replacing a 6.7 Ford diesel. I agree the 48s are good transmissions, especially when built. However, I wanted a 6 speed. A lot of the performance Cummins 6.7 guys are swapping out their 68RFEs for 48s.
Ford has the best stock transmissions on the market with the 5R110 and the 6R140.
The 5R110 is standing up behind a 6.4 with big Spartan tuners. No other stock transmission will do that. Andthe 5R110s are inexpensive to rebuild and don't require custom building or a lot of hard parts to handle big power.
The 6R140 is a really strong transmission from what I can tell. Ford is having problems shifting it right now, but that is just a calibration issue.
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03/15/12 10:08am |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
For me I'd only buy a new one and get the extended warranty with it. Run it until the extended warranty was up and move on to another new truck. I can still put extended warranty on this engine. $3500 for 100,000 miles and 3 or 5 years, I forget.
The engine has to stay stock. If the dealer finds any evidence of fuel contamination the next time the HPFP fails, it would be on my dime.
Something I haven't mentioned is how horrible the fuel consumption is with this engine. Its terrible. Actually, its beyond terrible.
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03/15/12 09:00am |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
I still don't get it. If you wanted a Cummins why did'nt you just buy a Dodge?
Something like this...
- I didn't want to buy a new truck
- Dodge CCs are small compared to Ford CCs.
- Mega cabs have a small bed and low GVWRs
- Dodge transmissions are weak, all of them
- I have a 5.9 and I wanted a 6.7, so that meant an 07.5+, which meant the 68RFE, which is almost impossible to build strong for towing behind a high torque engine.
- no OEM 20" wheels on a Dodge
- 11,500 GVWR on the F350s
- Dodge trucks were about $2,000 more than Fords for 08 vintage
- I have had a Superduty since 1999 and I know them inside out and backwards
- great parts availablility for the Superduties and parts are generally cheap. 6.4 engine parts aside !
- I did a swap in my last truck and loved it, I wanted to do another, better swap in a newer truck
- you can't beat the King Ranch interiors for room and comfort. Maybe the 4th gen Dodge Mega cabs would be as good or better, but I didn't want to spend that much on a truck
- I love Ford towing mirrors, for visibility and convenience.
If I bought a Dodge, I would have been a Megacab and then I would have had to lengthen the frame and put on a longer box as well as figure out some cure for the transmission weakness. I figure its easier to swap a Cummins into a Ford than do that.
Each to his own.
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03/15/12 08:57am |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
Great news. You just made a few bucks to boot. That 6.4 will surely be in high demand soon, about the time you drop the 6.7 in it. I mean a running 6.4 will bring in more cash than a dead one.
Very true, to say nothing of the value of one with a complete new fuel system on it.
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03/14/12 04:26pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
While they have the passenger side valve cover off, I instructed them to take a compression reading from each of those cylinders. I am not sure if I'll be paying for this or not. I did it a) to increase the resale value of the engine when I sell it and b) to double check that an injector on that side of the engine hasn't been leaking and burnt a valve or piston.
Just something to consider if someone is ever in the same boat as me.
Remember that there is a truck just a few stalls down from mine that had injectors replaced on the owners dime and now has a blown engine. For all they know, it had engine damage before they did the injectors in it.
I can't wait to have a Cummins in this thing.
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03/14/12 04:25pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
In hindsight, it was a good move to remove the #2 and #8 injectors and inspect them before going for the pump. If the fuel bowl is clean and the injector lines are clean and the injectors are clean, there is a pretty good chance the HPFP is clean too.
However, if you have crud in the fuel bowl and there are rust spots on the injectors and injector lines, you can almost guess what you are going to find in the pump.
Just putting this out there in case it helps someone.
I was lucky the service writer and tech were open minded enough to humor me to pull and inspect these items before I made the decision to remove the pump for inspection.
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03/14/12 04:22pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
You must feel like dancing at that news! Congrats, glad this turned out the way it did. Thanks ! Yes, I am doing a little happy dance right now. It was a tense couple days.
What's your plan moving forward? Still dropping in the 6.7L Cummins or are you going to ride the 6.4L as long as it's under warranty? I'll be doing the swap in the next month or so. There is only 2500 miles of warranty left.
There is no way I would tow anything heavy with this truck. As far as I can tell its still has the original EGR cooler. Its one crack away from hydrolocking the engine and that is a chance I am not willing to take on my dime.
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03/14/12 04:18pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
So... a little story.
When I bought this truck, it was 1 of 2 I was considering.
There was a red 08 F350 Lariat with a 6.4. It had 99,500 miles on it and a goose neck trailer ball in the bed.
Then there was the truck I bought, a while 08 F350 KR with 82K and it looked like it had never towed a thing in its life.
I love red trucks. I really really wanted to buy that red Lariat. It was cheaper too, but not cheap enough versus the KR, so the KR it was. Plus I didn't want to buy a 6.4 that would immediately be out of warranty.
Right now I am very, very happy that I bought my white KR. I would not buy one of these trucks with more than 80,000 miles on it because if something goes wrong, as can with this engine, they are very expensive to fix. At least at 80K you get some time to put some miles on it to find the issues and get them taken care of.
When I bought it, I also checked the OASIS report and had the dealer take the truck to a Ford dealer and pull codes and print out that it was code free.
I also visually checked that all the emissions equipment was in tact and visually checked that it was 100% stock ,ie it had not been modified in some way. No air boxes, no equipment removed, etc.
Had I bought the red Lariat, this same situation would have had a very different ending.
Buyer beware.
FWIW, I'll still be doing the Cummins swap. Only now the pressure is off to do it immediately.
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03/14/12 04:12pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
Update.
The service writer just called. The tech got the HPFP off my truck and inspected it and found it to be 100% clean.
Ford is footing the bill for an entire new fuel system.
My truck should be done on Friday.
I feel very, very lucky that it turned out this way.
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03/14/12 03:52pm |
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RE: Tonneau cover for 2012 F150
I have an Xtang Solid Fold on my F 150 with a soft (Bed Rug Liner) under it. folds up in three panels or if you need the entire bed, it takes one man only about three minutes to remove it completely. Strong enough to walk on.
I have an Extang Solid Fold as well, on my Superduty.
They are simply excellent. I've had it 3 years now and its just great.
I'd say its perfect except that the hold down bolts bend a bit if you torque them down to tight. One day I'll replace them with something heavier. The rest of it is perfect.
I drive with it folded up when hitched to the 5th wheel or hauling a big item and folded down otherwise.
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03/13/12 09:14pm |
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RE: What's high mileage for a 7.3 power stroke diesel?
Or you could just buy a 2003 truck with a 7.3L in it that Ford made at the factory :S
Gotta be hardcore, ib ! Nothing says hardcore like swapping one PS for another ! Can you imagine the wiring mess ? The 6.0 trucks are wired totally different than the 7.3s were.
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03/13/12 03:52pm |
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RE: What's high mileage for a 7.3 power stroke diesel?
Why do you even care what high mileage is for a 7.3 ?
If the engine ever goes for ~$4500 you can buy a good long block and it will run for another 500K miles and if you ever sell it you'll get your money back from it.
If you really get desperate you could always swap a Cummins into it.
Just compare that cost with what it costs to fix a more modern diesel and you'll see what a great value you are getting.
Provided you don't overpay, you really can't go wrong.
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03/13/12 01:39pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
One other comment... this little hobby we call camping has suddenly become a big time drain on my life.
From '99 to 2010 aside from the engine swap on my old truck, all I did was service the truck, do a little PM on the trailer and enjoy. Some years I don't think I spend a day in total working on the 2 of them.
In the spring of 2010 we bought a Chaparral 355, which required a whole bunch of mods and enhancements and several trips to the dealer for warranty issues.
The 355 is now off of warranty and has a leak somewhere in the front slide area that I need to tackle in spring. My old trailer never had a single leak in the 12 years I owned it.
Then my '99 F250 got stolen along with the 355. That entailed insurance negotiations, several appraisals, ordering parts, fixing, etc.
Then I decided to buy the 08 F350 and do the swap on it. More planning, ordering parts, etc.
Now the 08 has been in the dealer's shop twice and I still have the swap to do on it.
Its getting to the point where I long to have my old truck running great and my old trailer back ! And I am not kidding. The hassle factor is really starting to add up.
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03/13/12 01:24pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
Me too. I both believe and appreciate me2's posts and continuous updates.
Subscribing!
If there is any question as to legitimacy, I could scan documents and post them.
This whole situation is such a shock to me. I'm just trying to help others in the same situation.
How can a truck run OK one day and need $10K in repairs the next with no real warnign ? I still can't get my head around that and I have a backup plan and I knew the history of these engines going into this.
Sorry to ramble, like I said, I'm still in shock.
My sympathies to others in this situation.
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03/13/12 01:16pm |
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RE: My 08 F350 6.4 needs a new fuel system !
Just for the record, I don't don't the truthfulness of anything you posted. Keep us updated.
Thanks.
Just for the record, every time I see a picture of your rig in your sig I want to run out and buy a 07.5 Dodge with a 6.7. I know you have a 5.9 and they are good too, but I like 6.7s.
I guess we'll see how the swap goes...
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03/13/12 01:13pm |
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