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RE: Why Can't I Have...
Here is some interesting reading about injection timing, emissions, and mpgs. These tests were with older style mechanical systems, but the pricipals are the same with our more modern computer controled systems in regard to timing.
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larry_kruzan
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03/18/12 10:59pm |
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RE: About to order the Scan Gauge II
I used one on my 2009 E350, and found it great. There was one idiot tech who thought it was a "tuner" and threatened voiding my warrenty - his boss quickly re-educated him before I could.
The thing is a good value for the cost.
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larry_kruzan
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03/18/12 09:39pm |
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RE: Engine failure!
A crate motor from Summit might be the easy way if $$ are right. (I haven't looked) We launched one at high RPMs a few years back and the rebuild cost did not make sense - there was very little to salvage. We spent a few dollars more for a better build and ended up with a much stronger truck.
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larry_kruzan
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03/18/12 04:10pm |
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RE: New 2012 F-1250 EB
It's real easy to not have enough truck, I've very rarely heard anyone saying, "shucks, I got too much truck to tow THAT camper". If you can go bigger - do it.
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larry_kruzan
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03/18/12 03:59pm |
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RE: Why Can't I Have...
who said it wouldn't pass? Diesel emissions test in most places are pretty lax and poor.
The ones going to jail are the ones out recklessly blowing smoke.
True, but he would be tested according to the standards set for that minivans vin - which was a gasser. Read the fine print of the regs, by removing or modifying the emissions equipment that was on that mini when it rolled off the assembly line, he had violated several regulations, would be subject to fines and/or imprisonment. He could get more time in jail than a gang banger.
Dang, you might actually emit something that smells bad. If it smells it must be bad - hummm, ever get in traffic behind a new car as the cat converter is burning in? I KNEW they were bad for the environment.
Got to admit, I don't get the whole blowing black smoke thing. Not my thing either, but when I was young (and dumb), I thought getting pulled over because my street car was too loud (it was), was just pinching my style. Its a fad, its a dumb one that will pass, in time - I'm waiting.......
FWIW - blowing black smoke is not a good thing because it wastes fuel. Black smoke is improperly burn fuel. I emit no visible black smoke, the motor is tuned to a level that it produces the same HP as it was rated for on day one, hour one. I'm very glad there aren’t too many idiots doing this - it gives people the wrong impression of all diesel users, just like the kids doing burnouts at intersections once spoke ill of hot rodders.
This what one guys intake looked like in 30,000 miles,
http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/pics/data/500/medium/DSC002801.JPG
We put a very high efficiency air filter on these trucks, and a couple feet later we open the exhaust to freely dump carbon into the intake horn and on into your head. These are not unusual problems according to automotive diesel mechanic at the dealership I visit. In fact they tell me that the Cummins is bullet proof apart from the emissions problems they see. Cleanings and replacement of plugged filters keep them busy.
Guys, it just is not smart to feed a diesel exhaust back into the motor. If a diesel requires two cat converters, a NOX filter, a DPF filter to make the exhaust clean enough for you to breathe around - why would you dump un-filtered exhaust into your intake?
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larry_kruzan
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03/18/12 12:33am |
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RE: Why Can't I Have...
Funny thing is that if he lived where smog tests were required, his illegally modified vehicle would not pass inspections an some momma’s boy (or governmental suck up) would not rest until he was fined and in jail.
With all experimentation illegal everywhere, just not enforced, we get to play a little and learn. But when it's enforced everywhere, there will be no progress - just regulations telling us what not to do. With luck, there might be a few things we CAN do without going to jail.
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larry_kruzan
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03/17/12 07:01pm |
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RE: Why Can't I Have...
Are CARB standards made to improve life or are they made to punish those who pursue happiness in a way the regulators find less desirable? What is the purpose of the law? Why is it a moving target that has as it goal the elimination of fossil fuel usage? When is enough, enough?
Again I ask, How IS forcing me to use 50% more fuel better for the environment? That is the stated reason for the mandate, "To save the planet", right?
Really news, I could care less what you think about my math or my personal experience with my truck. I'm the one buying the fuel, I'm the one who paid for the truck. In this current hyper eco nonsense climate that seems to be totally out of control, nobody is willing to stick their neck out and say "perhaps we've pushed all this too far" for fear of being branded as some sort of reprobate.
I will. I will tell you that we are making laws governing the environment that have as their core the desire to eliminate human interaction in the environment. That is why access roads into national wilderness areas are being closed, barricaded and some ripped out. That is why the most important consideration in any building project is not cost or design parameters, it is passing the ecological impact studies.
Its why building a new home here now requires surrounding the home site with a barrier to block erosion of the site - on perfectly flat, level ground. A septic system that cost $2k a few years ago now cost $10k because of the unique materials specified by current regulations. While all the rest of the homes here have those older, (according to some) dangerous systems - shouldn't they be yanked out if they really are, or did some back-side warming burro-crat just need to justify their above-scale salery?
And BTW, the DPF alone on my truck costs $4000 to replace, its not covered by warranty either. Just what do you suppose most people are going to do when they get the bill for replacement? You doubt 15k for the eco-trash that’s cluttering the engine compartments of our trucks and the series of exhaust filters, converters and perfume atomizers the flower children have forced on us? I KNOW how much it cost to replace.
We have developed a new social class in the country, the class of "regulator". The regulator is a person who seeks no political office but by ingratiating themselves with one party, may gain power based on that association. Power and authority is kept by seeking new areas to regulate in order to win more power from those leaders who can bestow it. The continual advancement of regulation is the regulators only goal, and since most regulations do not directly impact the regulators lives there is little limit of how aggressive they may become.
The EPA is one such body that has become particularly troublesome in recent years. The establishment of CARB standards is a symptom not the disease. The fact that the eventual goal is never clearly stated should be a warning to us all. The eventual limits stated in some EPA sites place goals for clean air that have not existed on this continent since Columbus landed and passed the first European gas.
When we are all sitting around waiting on our government checks, from our government job, in our governmentally approved housing, eating our government approved meal and watching government TV - will we wonder what Jefferson was writing about?
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larry_kruzan
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03/17/12 04:23pm |
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RE: Hey Ford guys hows your fuel tank?
I know of a guy who bought 1000 gallons of diesel a few years ago, got sick and stopped working for three years as he fought his way back to health. One day he decided to see if his dozer would start anymore, charged the battery, filled it from the old tank and it fired right up.
I'm sure the PS stuff (which is good) helps, but I'd sure have my doubts about any of this soup lasting that long today.
My trucks owners manual states that running greater than 5% bio (B5) voids the motor warrenty and may caused damage. So what do you do when there are no stations in your area with anything other than B20? You run it, add more fuel filters, and change them more often. The same manual states that no fuel additives are certified for this system other than theirs (of course), so once more the consumer is stuck between the EPA mandated nonsense, auto makers and real life.
Sorry about the venting guys.
Larry
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larry_kruzan
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03/17/12 03:12pm |
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RE: Hey Ford guys hows your fuel tank?
Bio-D is as nasty a fuel as we've ever tried to use in this country. In our area farmers are having fits from fungus growing in their equipment and storage tanks. Seems that it has a "shelf life" (sorry, wrong term) of 6 months then it goes bad. A lot of farmers equipment sits for more than 6 months then gets ran like crazy for a month or two, several of the local crowd had to flush their fuel systems from tank to motor and still lost very injectors. It's almost impossible to find straight diesel in these parts.
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larry_kruzan
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03/17/12 10:32am |
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RE: 2011 or 2012 Ecoboost?
I'm not a fan of ford - OK, I hate fords lieing, unending parade of Barbra Strisand, I'd rather own a kia. (shutter) Since they put quality control and testing on the backs of their customers these days and void warrenty at the drop of a hat, I'd be really, really cautious. After 40 years of fords in my driveway I can tell you, they are not the company that they used to be.
Totally disagree. My 2012 Ecoboost is my 4th F150. It has been perfect and flawless. They've all been great. My last F150 with the 5.4 had the stuck sparkplug issue. It cost me an extra $350. I wrote to Ford and they sent me a customer appreciation check for $500. Nope, they're not the company they used to be; they're much better.
Get back to me when you've had one in the shop 8 months out of 24 and they tell you that you are just going to have to live with the problem, "since they all have it", or "its a big vehicle with big tires, it's impossible to balance all the vibration out" or the best one "why did you buy a big van if you want it to ride like a car?".
Or when one clod told me that my engine warranty was going to be voided because I'd added a programmer and that was what was causing my electrical system to cut on and off randomly - the "programmer" was a ScanGageII, which is a monitor, not a "programmer". It plugs into the OBD2 port and couldn't have shorted anything. Fortunatly the service manager was smarter than his "tech" and shorted out the clod before I really lost it.
Then you take a $30,000 bath to unload the piece of crud. It will happen if you own enough of them, as several others on this forum are finding out.
Just say the words "Ford 6.0 diesel", if you want a ear full of info you won't believe - I didn't, but I do now. It got to the point that the service writer visualy slumped down when I came in - he knew the deal.
I really hope it never does happen to you, nobody should ever be treated the way I was by ford.
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larry_kruzan
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03/17/12 10:13am |
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RE: 2011 or 2012 Ecoboost?
If the F150 you have now is doing the job, how is it equiped? Make that a starting point. The specs on the F200 look pretty good. Get the max tow option package with eveything and you should be ok.
I'm not a fan of ford - OK, I hate fords lieing, unending parade of Barbra Strisand, I'd rather own a kia. (shutter) Since they put quality control and testing on the backs of their customers these days and void warrenty at the drop of a hat, I'd be really, really cautious. After 40 years of fords in my driveway I can tell you, they are not the company that they used to be.
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larry_kruzan
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03/16/12 07:18pm |
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RE: Be glad you don't have this transmission
Those were the days when drivers were operators, not just button pushers. A very long time ago when I was in high school,(I even graduated) I needed a autoshop project in my senior year. We had a 63 ford truck that had shucked the tranny (three on the tree boys) and had a very questionable axle in the back. If your mind is racing ahead of my typing, yep I did. I found a two speed rear and a 4 speed tranny in a 2 ton dump truck down the road. That old 292Y block never ran so good. It would pull 5,000rpm at 5 or 10mph - just don't even want to think about trying to shift it. It would throw the drive shaft out in a heart beat. :) Kids, what are ya going to do with em!
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larry_kruzan
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03/16/12 07:05pm |
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RE: Why Can't I Have...
and get rid of that stupid 4th injection event that only wastes fuel.
If somebody can explain to me how it is more environmentally friendly to consume 50% more fuel, I just might put it all back on - I don't see it happening.
Which 4th injection are you referring too? Not all engines use the same number of injections. If you are referring to the fuel injected during regen then yes, it is fuel that is not making power.
First of all, your math is a little off, you were not using 50% more fuel. Even so, the emissions were reduced by well over 50% from what your vehicle currently is now, which is why the EPA still sees it as advantageous to use these systems. Besides your truck is old technology, the new ones are running much better.
Yes I do mean that 4th injection event. A total waste in fuel - even more so now, thats why I don't have it. Newer than my 2011? it is a little out of date since I've owned it a year now, but I don't think they've improved much in that time. :)
Lets see, 50% of 11mpg is 6.5mpg, so 11+6.5= 17.5mpg just what I get now that I don't have that *stuff* on my truck. Close enough to 50% it was costing/wasting in my book. So again I ask - is it greener to use LESS fuel or is it greener to buy the party line and waste 50% of the fuel you buy? BTW, just where does the wasted fuel go?????
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larry_kruzan
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03/16/12 06:46pm |
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RE: Why Can't I Have...
You will get better mileage with a de-tuned engine vs. letting up on the skinny pedal, just not phenomenally better.
What do you do when you de-tune a diesel??
You program it to inject less fuel, the same thing you do when you don't mash the pedal down as far. No difference, unless you change to smaller injectors, and the injectors will cost more than the fuel you would save, and sometimes larger injectors give better fuel mileage, like the 275 rv injectors for the Cummins ISB vs the 235 hp ones..
IF you really want to know how to get super MPGs from a current model truck and you don't live where big brother is squashing any sense of freedom, know that it can be done. Not 35mpgs, but you CAN se 22-24mpg.
Its nothing new or some super secret formula to add to your fuel either. You have to let your motor breath and you have to be able to get the exhaust out of the motor. Then you add a quality fuel, not bio-D soup that is not fit to pour out on the ground. Adjust the timing to just the right spot - and get rid of that stupid 4th injection event that only wastes fuel. And then SLOW down! If you want mileage, you cannot run 70-80mph.
My old 78 Mercedes got 30mpg not matter what. No turbocharger, no computer and smoked black carbon every time you stepped on the fuel. But it always started and was ready to go for over 300,000 miles.
Today I have a pile of garbage in my garage floor that I pulled off my truck to get 2/3s of that. I paid about $15,000 for that pile of garbage when I bought my truck, so off it came. So now there’s no cork in my tailpipe, no plumbing that’s feeding the soot laden exhaust back into the intake, and no cooler that’s cooling the exhaust going into the intake changing it into an acidic injector/valve eating sludge. The air filter box is all open and the tube going from the filter to the turbo is as smooth flowing as possible. I don't even have any black smoke coming out of my exhaust either - after all, black smoke (carbon) is bad.
Where I was seeing 11mpg, I now see 16-18mpg. Where I was seeing 14mpg, I now see 20-22mpg. If I get dumb and put my foot in it all day it only drops to 14-15mpg. Towing I see 14-15mpg were it was 12-13mpg.
If somebody can explain to me how it is more environmentally friendly to consume 50% more fuel, I just might put it all back on - I don't see it happening.
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larry_kruzan
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03/16/12 05:23pm |
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RE: 7.3 vs v10 Excursion, which would you buy?
30,000 miles towing with a V10, and I can tell you it is one loud motor! It may be quiet at idle, but when your rapping out 4,000 rpm, you know its up there. It will run like that all day long, we wore ear plugs.
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larry_kruzan
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03/15/12 07:32pm |
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RE: Just another GM failure
Most truckers average 50 to 55mph with fuel stops, lunch, dinner, maint. etc. There IS a problem with the math, sorry. I just dislike a news agency reporting "facts" that they don't validate with your average 5th grader.
I have no idea how he rigged the odometer but he had to average 20,000 miles a month - you can't do that, and the dumb-dumb at NBC just never fact checked the story. NBC is particularly noted for such glaring errors. Facts are hard cold things, just like math - its right or its not. This story is not.
As for fuurd, THEY hit my nerve with a 2009 piece of garbage that lived in the shop more than on the road and after two years of messing with them trying to fix the thing, I bought a real truck that is 100% trouble free. I lost $30,000 on the furrd but I figure I will sleep better with my Ram in the drive. After 40 years of driving furrds, 14 new ones, I'll never own another one and neither will any of my family.
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larry_kruzan
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03/15/12 12:17am |
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RE: Just another GM failure
Quoting the unimpeachable news source, NBC :), "So after four short years, Betsy hit the 999,999 mark last weekend and even though Marsella still turns between 7,000 and 10,000 miles a week, the odometer stopped."
Lets see, he claims 7 to 10,ooo miles a week, divided by 40 hours a week, that 175 to 250 miles per hour in a fuurd f250 while towing. Pretty impressive.
Can't anybody do basic math?
Even with a co-driver pushing 80 hours a week, its still 88 to 125mph - its a bald faced lie.
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larry_kruzan
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03/14/12 11:35pm |
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RE: Well what year cummins???
My 2011 Ram 3500 DRW MegaCab 6.7 is a towing beast, the tranny is sound if you maintain stock power or a bit more. Like any other truck, if you push the HP from 350 to 550+hp you had better address the tranny. Otherwise its a non-issue.
The emission junk thats sucking the mpgs CAN be addressed and you'll end up with a stronger motor that will last twice as long.
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larry_kruzan
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03/14/12 03:08pm |
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RE: My experience since getting a 1-ton dually
2blazers - Very nice to see that you are making the American dream a reality. Way to go pal!!!
Larry
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larry_kruzan
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03/14/12 02:55pm |
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RE: 7.3 vs v10 Excursion, which would you buy?
Buy the diesel. You will pay the difference in fuel with the V10. I've complained around here about my V10 getting 4.5mpg in the mountains while towing my TT. It is a very strong motor and it was the one thing on that van that always performed to spec. But the jump into diesel torque and power has to be experienced to be believed. I for one, will never go back to gas.
When things breake they can cost more to fix, but the motor has a life expectancy of over 500,000 miles. The V10 will go a long ways to, but how many more gallons of gas will it drink.
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larry_kruzan
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03/14/12 01:02am |
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