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RE: Revived Trailer Tire Thread (formerly on the 5th Wheel Forum
Let me see if I understand correctly.
You say that an ST tire needs a 15% reserve and should not be loaded beyond 85% of sidewall capacity. Also, you indicate that the LT tire can be used at 100% of it's sidewall capacity.
If this is true, then a lot of manufacturers of RV's are doing their customers a disservice by putting underrated tires on their vehicles. One that comes to mind is JAYCO that still installs 16" load range "D" ST tires with a 3000# load capacity on rigs with 6K axles. Don't believe me? Go to your nearest dealer and take a look.
Keith
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kedanie
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02/07/12 04:24pm |
Tech Issues
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RE: YELLOW STONE
I'm sorry, I just don't get it.
If you are going to a National Park, why stay outside for more money? There are plenty of places to stay inside the park. With the size of Yellowstone, you will spend most of your time away form your campsite. So, what good are all those amenities at the expensive RV parks? By the time you get back, you'll be worn out from the days adventures. Top that with all the additional driving each day in and out of the park. Plus, you will most likely miss the beat part of the day, sunset, and all the animal activity that goes along with it.
It sure seems to me a waste of time to stay outside Yellowstone.
Keith
Wrong my boy. We've done it twice and it's not that expensive plus it's more convenient to everything else; especially if you intend to visit the Tetons, Idaho or Jackson Hole or other places. So you see there are definite advantages to staying outside the park camp areas.
My point is, if you're going to Yellowstone, stay in Yellowstone. If you are going to the Tetons, stay in the Tetons. Why camp at a more expensive "resort" and spend all your time away, not to mention all the extra fuel and time wasted commuting. The National Park experience is what you go there for in the first place. Try it, you just might like it!
Keith
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kedanie
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02/07/12 04:07pm |
RV Parks, National Parks, State Campgrounds & More
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RE: Might as well ban them all
Why was the ST vs LT tires
thread closed. I hesitate to bring this subject up - given that a previous thread went on so long and was eventually closed - but........
Perhaps I can help folks understand what may be going on between these 2 types of tires. It was clear in that closed thread that there are some mis-conceptions.
Ya' see, I am a tire engineer with a major tire manufacturer - over 30 years in the business. I've got quite a bit of insight into how this works.
Is anyone interested in reviving the discussion
All of the posts I read were pretty much spot on as far as being on topic, and if they strayed, it was the OP that was willing to answer, and he should of been able to decide what was on HIS topic and what wasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, you missed all the posts that had to be deleted. I saw most of them and believe that the moderator did the right thing. Certain individuals had jumped in with both feet and the arguments were starting. Frank tried to fix it, but it continued and they had no choice.
It's not the moderators that are the problem. It is the posters that get out of control that cause these things.
If the shoe fits, wear it!!!
Keith
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kedanie
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02/07/12 02:05pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Might as well ban them all
The problem with tire threads being close in not with the moderators. It lies solely on the backs of the self anointed tire experts who come in and take over a discussion and drive it into the ground with rules and regulations.
In the latest example, Frank tried really hard to keep it alive. Most here probably didn't see all the post from one "expert" that started the downward spiral. Frank removed them in an effort to save the thread, but it just continued. They really had no choice but to do what they did and close it.
I'm on the side of the moderators on this one!!!!!!!!!!
Keith
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kedanie
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02/07/12 08:33am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: YELLOW STONE
I'm sorry, I just don't get it.
If you are going to a National Park, why stay outside for more money? There are plenty of places to stay inside the park. With the size of Yellowstone, you will spend most of your time away form your campsite. So, what good are all those amenities at the expensive RV parks? By the time you get back, you'll be worn out from the days adventures. Top that with all the additional driving each day in and out of the park. Plus, you will most likely miss the beat part of the day, sunset, and all the animal activity that goes along with it.
It sure seems to me a waste of time to stay outside Yellowstone.
Keith
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kedanie
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02/04/12 06:26pm |
RV Parks, National Parks, State Campgrounds & More
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RE: From MI To Yellowstone... What to See and Where To Stop ?
I copied this from one of my posts on another thread, but it definitely applies to your trip as well. I wrote it for a trailer, but feel free to adapt it to your type of RV:
You might want to park the trailer in either Cooke City or Red Lodge, MT. Then you can take one of the most scenic loop drives in the Lower 48. US 212 goes over Beartooth Pass from Red Lodge to Cooke City, then you can loop back to the start via WY 296 and 120 and MT 72. It is 115 miles RT from Red Lodge and is slow, with wicked curves and grades, so it is NOT a 60-mph drive. If you are up to driving on mountain roads and like photography, it's hard to beat!
Just look up "Beartooth highway" on the Web and read the comments. Here are just a couple of reviews of US 212 that I pulled off the Web:
"We randomly decided to take a day and drive this road during our three week trip to Montana and Wyoming. I shudder to think that we almost didn't do this drive. It was AMAZING. AMAZING. Absolutely one of the highlights of our long trip. Worth taking the time, worth leaving Yellowstone, worth any amount of trouble or effort to do........ this drive was one of the best of my globe-trotting life. You won't see more lovely scenery anywhere."
"We just stumbled upon this drive after deciding to take the NE route out of Yellowstone toward Billings. Amazing sights all the way up, and at the crest, we wondered what would be on the other side, and as the stunning views of the canyon appeared we stopped to take it all in, and take some photographs, but pictures, even movies could not capture the experience."
Have a great trip, regardless of the route!
Drove it on a motorcycle in July of 2010. Man, what a ride!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you go through there, watch out for the motorcycles, they are usually moving pretty quickly on all the curvy roads.
Keith
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kedanie
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02/03/12 08:18pm |
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RE: ST vs LT tires
Most likely he'll say the tires were overloaded, under inflated and driven too fast. Same old story.
Keith
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kedanie
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02/02/12 07:03pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: From MI To Yellowstone... What to See and Where To Stop ?
Well, for starters, if you don't already have reservations for your stay at Yellowstone, do it now!!!!! Figure out when you will be there and plan everything around that time frame.
Keith
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kedanie
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02/02/12 05:48pm |
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RE: ST vs LT tires
I am going to make popcorn for this one.
X2
Keith
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kedanie
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02/02/12 05:38pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Duravis R500 HD Tire Anyone using them
Well, it appears that 'Ol FE wants to change the topic to include Duro tires. He seems to think that they have a sterling service history because relatively no one has reported any problems to the NHTSA. I would like some of those who have experience with Duro tires to chime in here and let us know what their unreported problems have been.
Keith
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kedanie
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02/02/12 02:37pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Duravis R500 HD Tire Anyone using them
Why would anyone suggest Duro tiers??????????? Aside from the discontinued Mission tires, these have one of the worst records out there.
Some people will do anything to sell some more ST tires. Even when the OP is asking about something else.
Keith
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kedanie
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02/02/12 11:14am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: trailer tires for 5th wheel
It's time to put this topic to bed!!!!!
Keith
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kedanie
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01/31/12 02:10pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: trailer tires for 5th wheel
Ever wonder why ST tire users expect mileage results from their tires? Their manufacturers don't ever tout them as mileage tires. Their design suggests just the opposite. Nothing in their warranties would indicate mileage expectations. Their warranties just say to replace them when the tread wear gets down to 2/32" or less.
FastEagle
Let's see here, no mileage warranties, tires expected to wear out quickly and if you load them over 85% of their rated load capacity they have a history of premature catastrophic failure.
Why oh why would anybody purchase these tires???
Oh, I know, they are recommended by trailer manufacturer who bought them because they were the cheapest tire that met their specification.
Anyone who continues using these tires deserves the problems they bought!!!
Keith
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kedanie
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01/31/12 02:08pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: trailer tires for 5th wheel
The move to the ST235/80R16E took place with the 2006 models. First it was with the 3420# tires and then moved to the 3520# tires. Sometimes there were some brand names with 3500# ratings.
FastEagle
Yes, and the failures just continued. Just search for "Mission" tires.
The simple fact is, at 16", the ST tire has exceeded it's basic design capability.
Keith
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kedanie
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01/29/12 11:30am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: trailer tires for 5th wheel
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And trivial pursuit - - for the fun seekers, LOL!
On edit:
BTW, FE - in 2010 you said you were up to 21 tires - on pg 5 of this thread.
Have you *only* increased that number by one since then?
Or - has "kedanie" simply lost count?
But, doesn't matter . . . you be the *King* of ST !!.:C
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I know it was 21, but recently he admitted he lost another on the Everest forum. 21 + 1 = 22
22 tires in 9+ years averages out to somewhere around 2.2 tires per year. That is a pretty bad track record for someone who vigorously promotes the "safety" of the ST tire. Add to that the fact that he is contemplating putting on a set of 17.5" wheels and tires and the tire count goes up. For a rig with 6K axles, he would be on his second full set of good LT tires had he made that change at the time.
Keith
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kedanie
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01/29/12 10:50am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Harbor Freight 800W Generator?
At 91db, this genny will make the whole park mad!!!!!
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kedanie
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01/28/12 04:55pm |
Tech Issues
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RE: trailer tires for 5th wheel
OK, all you guys need to realize that FE is never going to say anything that will promote a LT tire over a ST tire. Forget it, it ain't gonna happen!!!!! He will always address his questions to tire and RV manufacturers that will generate the answer that he wants. When you pin them down, they will always give you the corporate line as dictated by their lawyers.
For someone that has been through as many ST tires as he has, at least 22, and not seek another choice is beyond my comprehension. The only explanation is that someone must be paying him, which he denies repeatedly. The only real choice is to ignore him, make your own conclusions and go buy what makes you comfortable.
Keith
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kedanie
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01/28/12 03:21pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Caravanning?
We did a mini caravan last summer with one other couple. Even with that, we found that we were compromising at times. When we go again, we'll go it alone and do the things that we choose to do.
Keith
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kedanie
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01/26/12 03:17pm |
RVing in Canada and Alaska
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RE: trailer tires for 5th wheel
I was just at a tire dealer today and they said it is not recommended to put a LT tire on a trailer application. My size is the problem I guess. 225/75R15D. So I asked them about 235/75R15D and they said again about putting LT's on trailers. The ST tire has a better side wall strength than the LT. Now this tire place in my mind is reputable. So does anyone have any new found wisdom to dispute what I just said?
Thanks,,,,,Bill
Keep in mind that the tire store's main goal is to sell tires at a profit. ST tires are generally cheap for the store to buy and they get sold at a good profit margin. Add to that the fact that the average life of a ST tire is less than 3 years, he'll make more money selling tires that get replaced more often.
The others here have given some good options. Do your homework and buy what makes you comfortable. There are options.
Keith
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kedanie
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01/26/12 03:10pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Weapon Storage
It's really simple, if you know that you are going into Canada, leave the guns at home.
Keith
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kedanie
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01/24/12 05:29pm |
RVing in Canada and Alaska
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