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RE: 3000W Chinese Gensets Info.
Ah, those were the days my friends.
Many of us are still out here faithfully lurking, reading and marvelling at the endurance of "our" thread and that little yellow champion companion many of us proudly tote around. Mine still runs inspite of being dropped and drug along I-10 in Florida, and again on the Trace in Mississippi. My TT rear carrier bounced itself to death killing $1500 of bikes. BUT luck was with me. Battered, brused and bent, the Champion lives on to light up other nights. So, I have new bikes, a better carrier, and the same old gen set that has seen the Keys, Brownsville, Arizona, Mexico and points between. Life is good.
This thread has been a special place for me these past six years, kept alive by our mentor, the Professor, and Mr Wizard, etal. I could not imagine trying to reread all that has gone before. But then I have had the privilege of living it. Growing old gracefully has its advantages especially if you can run without smoking. HAPPY BIRTHDAY
My vote goes to this post. as: "Post of the year.
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Old & Slow
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12/29/11 08:42am |
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RE: Champion- OEM Genset?
There has to be a huge liability risk associated with marketing a genset for built in use - fire hazard, carbon monoxide risk, electrocution and so forth. I would guess low cost manufacturers are hesitant to jump in to the market for that reason. Designing and building a generator for this purpose is not hard.
Great answer, thanks. Perhaps a dealer replacemnet unit would be held to some law unknown to me. Most portable genset use also fails some law requirement.
I find a great many used RV's have a non working genset.
Still in the hunt for the best possible solution.
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Old & Slow
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12/24/11 05:15am |
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RE: Champion- OEM Genset?
O & S -
Understand what you are looking for.
Possibly the departure of Paul Cole is . . good or bad.
Maybe his replacement has done something - maybe not.
IMO - if anyone would have any inside "scoop" it would be "The Prof" on the Gensets thread.
As an alternate - give Champion a call.
(Be a name dropper - tell whomever you make contact with, what Paul Cole had indicated previously, followed by: "Any progress?")
And -of course- post results~
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No desire here to be the 'go-between'
If not Champion to fill the bill, perhaps another Mfg will bring to market a less expensive 4000 watt or above, genset unit for RV built-in use.
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Old & Slow
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12/19/11 06:40pm |
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RE: Champion- OEM Genset?
Don't know what kind of rig you have, but if you want a portable Champion, which tons of people of moved to, then there 4K seems to fill the bill. I picked one up at Tractor Supply Center online and shipped to one of their stores, $289.00. Champion has great Customer Service Support and parts are easily obtained - something other Chinese machines do not have readily available. Safe travels.
Pretty sure O & S already has the above.
O & S - why did you start a new thread with this question?
(Why not on - "3000w Chinese Gensets Info" - thread that *you* know well?).:h
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JC:
To fill the need for a lower cost OEM RV build-in or repleacement genset, as Paul Cole, with Champion, at the time of my inquiry explained, the genset needed, would be in the true "4000 watt" class and above.
It's to bad, to this date, I don't find on the market, any unit.
Perhaps I am in a small market or even by myself.
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Old & Slow
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12/18/11 07:43pm |
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RE: Champion- OEM Genset?
Don't know what kind of rig you have, but if you want a portable Champion, which tons of people of moved to, then there 4K seems to fill the bill. I picked one up at Tractor Supply Center online and shipped to one of their stores, $289.00. Champion has great Customer Service Support and parts are easily obtained - something other Chinese machines do not have readily available. Safe travels.
Thanks, I have had the Champion C46540 genset going on five years. It's in my genhouse surving very well as back up power.
The reason for this post was: My and others need for a much less expensive OEM built in genset for the factory approved compartments in our RV's. With the orignal cost and the repair cost for Onans and other brand OEM gensets, the need for perhaps, a Chinese build unit seems to be universal. It's all about cost.
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Old & Slow
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12/18/11 09:52am |
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Champion- OEM Genset?
Several years ago, I was in contect with Champion (CPE) and Mr. Paul Cole. I expressed my dismay with the cost of repair or replacement of the RV OEM gensets. My question then and now is: When will we see on the market, a unit from China? The answer to my question to Mr. Cole received a quick response. "I now have on the bench a proto-type genset that will fill this need." We have had word, Paul Cole is now retired from Champion.
Two questions. Has anyone up to-date info' from this fine man?
Wonder how many have any interest in a Chinese built,
quality RV compartment genset?
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Old & Slow
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12/17/11 02:16pm |
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RE: Surge fix on Chinese generators
Even my true Honda engines that are on my water pumps,pressure washer,Wacker compactor,air compressors all have same carb as Champion generator. I have 6 Honda GX 160 engines on these tools and I pulled carbs apart and are same as Champion Carb side by side who ever makes them
Well, I can not despute what you say, the thread is: 'Surge fix on Chinese generators'. I'm not reading reports of folks having the 'burps' on their Kipor Chinese gens. If Champion is using a off the shelf carb, well on good, that is, until the Champion 2000i came out. Just don't find any new patents for Champion 2000i and carbs that is 'said to be' designed, from the ground up, by US engineers, as quoted by folks that quote info' from Champion.
Folks like myself, that are not good with fixing carbs are in a heap of 'it' if the carbs on their Chinese generators, go on the bum. Maybe someone will start a mail-in service center. I am able to remove mine with ease.
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Old & Slow
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10/20/11 08:32am |
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RE: Surge fix on Chinese generators
On new units, they run them as lean as they can and starve for gas.
Is this 'one size fits all' info'?? Has, say for example, Champion, changed the carb on their non Inverter gens?? My Champion C46540 has never had this surge problem. No burps. Of course the Champion may be no more than another labeled brand name. (no patents found on search) I think the engine on my gen came from Lifan? Anyway, I read no complaints about the 'Gold Standand' Honda/Yamaha Inverters and burps (surges) or the Chinese made Kipor and the same probems.
The above applies to cutting off the load first and then turning off the fuel supply for final shut down. I always use the pink stuff in the fuel. Never a problem in near 5 years running.
So how are these new Chinese carbs, that folks say Champion designed by US engineers, having all these problems from the get go? :h
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Old & Slow
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10/19/11 12:45pm |
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RE: Surge fix on Chinese generators
On new units, they run them as lean as they can and starve for gas.
Is this 'one size fits all' info'?? Has, say for example, Champion, changed the carb on their non Inverter gens?? My Champion C46540 has never had this surge problem. No burps. Of course the Champion may be no more than another labeled brand name. (no patents found on search) I think the engine on my gen came from Lifan? Anyway, I read no complaints about the 'Gold Standand' Honda/Yamaha Inverters and burps (surges) or the Chinese made Kipor and the same probems.
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Old & Slow
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10/19/11 07:57am |
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RE: Generators
My next gen will be a Honda or Yamaha 1000 just to keep the battery up.
We finally moved up to a 2000. DW likes the microwave. A 2000 will also power a larger charger which will cut run time for charging.
Say what you want, this a Forum the last time I looked. It looks to me like the Honda and Yamaha 2000i/3000i's are the 'Gold Standard' of all the Inverter quiet and dependable gens. They just may prove to be a one time buy for a lifetime of use.
I bought a Champion years ago before I knew the difference. At the time $270 sounded quiet. It's in the gen-house for back up power with some help for the 'quiet' factor, from other posters including 'bill h' and Brad.
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Old & Slow
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10/15/11 04:27am |
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RE: Which generator should I get?
Feet.
Don't ya need a tread mill with gen? For the 'feet':@
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Old & Slow
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10/14/11 10:55am |
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RE: Which generator should I get?
Hey man, this generator thing is serious stuff. Get one that will produce plenty of power for a life time, is quiet and will run on a gallon of corn oil/gas all day and half the night. For the cost of small potatoes. There you have it.
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10/14/11 05:21am |
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RE: The Official unofficial CPE 2000i Generator Thread
Seems the focus is changing. Or maybe not? The NEW Champions are not what 'old heads' found to be reliably simple. Most any simple wrench and some old wire could get you going. To stop, shut her down. ~ Now, these new fangled inverter gensets have come along. Trying to run on corn oil that I'm pretty sure the old Ford would have done better trying to put put. They also ran pretty good on 'drip gas' right out of the oil patch. 100 persent Prue stuff. Well if truth were known, the new Champ would do ok with that straight 'drip gas'. I read on another thread, this ethanol is destroying some rubber washers, etc, in our engines. Now, is this progress? Are these new Champion small engines, progress? Got to work them over while in the parking lot. And the electronics, what a fright. Some smoke, right out of the box while trying to charge the batts. Others freeze up with 150 hours use. Sync, using two, well that is another question? Just give me a break, just send me back to the 'Clinton' erea. Ford maybe?
Prof, you still got that old one in de barn? May be time to get her out?
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Old & Slow
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10/14/11 05:02am |
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RE: The Official unofficial CPE 2000i Generator Thread
So let me understand. And this is good news to me. For RV use there is no reason to replace my old C46540 with two new (twin) Champion 2000i's ~ $270 for the old Champion and still cranking, and Amazon $1200 for the new Champion 2000i's. ~ A+ for the old Champion. I only wish 'oldfordman' was still posting. I miss him.
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Old & Slow
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10/13/11 07:08pm |
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RE: The Official unofficial CPE 2000i Generator Thread
CPE/KIPOR
Isn't it a fact, Kipor 1000i has totally different electronics than the CPE 1000i. Just the same as the Champion 2000i and the Kipor 2000i have totally different electronics (EC module) ?? ~ Kipor being more like Honda or Yamaha in that department.
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Old & Slow
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10/12/11 06:52am |
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RE: The Official unofficial CPE 2000i Generator Thread
The Yamaha 2400, 2800, and 3000 all use a 171 cc engine. I assume it's the same basic engine and Yamaha decided to maximize the common parts in these 4 generators (2 flavors of the 3000 VA generator). This makes the Yamaha 2400 "over-engined" in my eyes. At 196 cc, the eu3000i is also over-engined, and has a maximum engine speed of 3,500 RPM.
I can see that point of view as these larger engines show greater capability. the bolie clone may be an example of that(not sure though). Im not quick to dismiss the "slower is better" opinion either though.
Back on topic..This tread is an eye opener. A google search for champion inverter generator brought me to Woodalls. Their the author of "campsite power" made this statement "After conducting some extensive side-by-side power testing and comparison of noise levels with competing models from Honda, Kipor and Yamaha I was pleased to find that the new CPE 2000i performed as well as the competition. I have been extremely impressed with the CPE 2000i performance etc etc"
From there i was refered here. It is an eye opener that the same author has a little different tone. Apparently CPE doesnt really compete performance wise. The author also leads the discussion here on how to fix defective carburation etc. The tone here is different than the sales pitch at woodalls.
Interesting observations and comments. Me thinks, reading these words, they do have a tone that speaks volumes. Come again.
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Old & Slow
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10/10/11 06:43am |
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RE: The Official unofficial CPE 2000i Generator Thread
The Yamaha 2000i is known to exhibit quirks similar to the ones some folks complain about on the CPE2000i.
Remind me what the quirks are with the Yamaha EF2000is?
Sorry. I did not mean to raise the hair on the back of your neck with that one.
Perhaps "quirks" was not the best choice of words for an open forum? What I was referring to was "gold" as referenced by Old and Slow. While the Yamaha 2000i is a really sweet generator, I do not see it as being in the same class as the Honda 2000i anymore than I do the CPE2000i.
Both the Yamaha 2000i and CPE2000i have 79 or 80cc engines. The Honda adds another 20cc.
Both the Yamaha 2000i and CPE2000i compensate for the lack of displacement (i.e. low speed torque) by revving the engine to a higher rpm and do so at a lesser load than the Honda. So, if you are in ECON mode the small engine will step up rpm sooner than the larger Honda engine.
And, alas, neither the CPE2000i or Yamaha 2000i are true 2000 watt inverter generators. They may "peak" at 2000 watts for some brief measurement of time, but neither will sustain the level as long as the Honda 2000i. To get that in the Yamaha line you will need the 2400i.
If you skin a CPE2000i and a Yamaha 2000i and set the engines and alternator side-by-side you will think you are looking at twins. This should come as no surprise as the CPE2000i was supposedly designed by two ex-Yamaha engineers. Again, no surprise as the Honda GX style engines proliferate as clones from China and the 80cc engines used on the smaller open frame generators show the same relationship to the Mitsubishi engine.
Snip: :(
Many Chinese Honda clones have interchangeable parts ~ How about Yamaha?
With the Yamaha 2000i and the Champion 2000i sitting side by side, which would be the one most quiet? The carbs on the two, are they twins?
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Old & Slow
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10/09/11 06:04pm |
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RE: The Official unofficial CPE 2000i Generator Thread
A few questions about one of the two 'Gold Standard' 2000i's, One being the 'YAMAHA'.
Do we find 'interchangeable parts' (both having the same size engine) between the Champion 2000i and the Yamaha 2000i such as:
#1- the carburetor?
#2- other engine parts?
#3- the EC module?
Added to the above, what about,
#4- Sound level difference?
#5- Availability of retail replacement parts?
#6- Service centers?
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Old & Slow
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10/09/11 10:23am |
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RE: Really good price for Champion Generators at Costco
Champions do have a great reputation!Buy what suits your needs the most.
Most of us that joined the CCC's (Champion Cheering Club) did so because of one reason. The cheap price. Some of us now admit the sound is not really in the same level as some other brands. Then also, how long will parts be available. I tried my Champion when I first bought, for RV use. From there it's a long story that has been told for over 4 plus years. Short story. It needs help with the noise factor. It's now in use in my genhouse for back up power, if needed, with sound lowering material with success.
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Old & Slow
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10/08/11 05:35am |
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RE: The Official unofficial CPE 2000i Generator Thread
I was away working down in Phoenix the last 2 weeks so have not tried that fix yet. Everything they suggested I have done. I have no problem doing those fixes as I am pretty handy and am quite capable of most mechanical fixes if I know where to start. I may try that fix in the next day or so when I get my home stuff caught up. This damn work travelling is hard on the camping and honey do lists. I have another month here before hitting the road again so should have some time to play once I get caught up. I do like your theory though. It makes total sense to me. They were also trying the clean the jets etc and blow out with the compressor which didn't change a thing. I also have a video I sent to the Champion tech if anyone wants to see what we are talking about on this thread so you understand what is going on. these were even after the module and jet cleaning they suggested. Turn up your volume on your speakers and you will hear what we are all talking about.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v605/calgarygringo/Champion%202000W%20Generator/
Ken
Thanks calgarygringo for the effort to help us folks on the fence. Sounds like one of my lawn mowers. FWIW, me thinks, dig deep and go for the 'Gold Standard', Honda/Yamaha. Do they continue to build the Champion 2000i? If 50 are already in the resale store, Ebay will be busy with Champion 2000i listings soon.
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10/02/11 03:46pm |
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