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RE: Music or not at the camp site?
Judging by the responses (and my experiences in the states)...Yes.
You're stereotyping based on nationality? C'mon, surprise me.
If I'm camping at a campground and following the campground rules. I am doing NOTHING wrong. I could care less about your "personal space" since you do not OWN that site, and I paid just as much (if not more) to be there.
I think you just put your finger on the biggest difference between you and I.
But, to the question at hand. If you are following camp rules - that is, you are not operating any audio device, such as a radio or musical instrument, so that it disturbs other visitors, as per U.S. Forest Service rules - I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about people that play a radio so loud that it disturbs others in the campground.
So what would the next step be then(instead of complaining about it on the interweb)?
If I'm camped next to one of the .0000001 percent you say won't listen to or respect others' requests, I kick it up the ladder of authority. But, seeing that I often camp in remote campgrounds that have neither camp hosts nor patrolling rangers, this is often not an option. Having witnessed fist-fights break out over this very issue, I usually chose not to escalate the matter beyond a one-time request to turn it down.
If I'm sitting there listening to music, how do I know what your "too loud" is?
The Forest Service standard, nebulous as it is, says that your music should not be so loud as to disturb other campers. I choose not to play music at my campsite at any volume that can be heard in another site.
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Eurocamper
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04/13/12 04:26pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Music or not at the camp site?
Best bet, grow some and politely ask them to turn it down.99.99999% will listen to you/respect your requests as long as they are reasonable requests.
Many of us have "grown some," and have no problem with asking someone to turn down a radio. But in my experience, the very type of person who thinks it's OK to blast their music across a campground is often the type that is least likely to respect you or your request. You know, the ones that feel entitled to RV any way they please.
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Eurocamper
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04/13/12 02:20pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Music or not at the camp site?
JN_B wrote:
If music's too loud, (once again) TALK to the "suspect" and ask them politely to turn down the music... Why is this such a big deal. Does no one talk to their CG neighbors?
JN_B wrote:
Everyone is entitled to RV however they want.
I think you've answered your own question.
Way to reword and take it out of context... Sigh..
Everyone Rving however they want, HAS absolutely NOTHING to do with how you resolve an "issue".
If you ACTUALLY READ what I said, you'd understand. But I digress, you've proven that reading is not your strong point.
Sigh ... so you really think no one here has ever tried talking to a "suspect" and asked them to turn down their music? LOL
The problem with that is that too many people, like yourself apparently, think that they are entitled to RV however they want,regardless of who it infringes upon.
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Eurocamper
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04/13/12 01:51pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: What have you seen as best way to sell an RV?
In Utah, Idaho and Wyoming most people use KSL classifieds. It's managed by a local broadcast station. I just checked and they currently have over 2,500 trailers listed for sale. KSL totally dominates the internet classified market in this area, Craigslist is a distant second.
If you don't have a regional classified like this in your area I guess Craigslist is the way to go.
I did try selling a camper on RVtrader.com, but only got one contact from that, and it was from a scammer.
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Eurocamper
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04/13/12 01:43pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Music or not at the camp site?
If music's too loud, (once again) TALK to the "suspect" and ask them politely to turn down the music... Why is this such a big deal. Does no one talk to their CG neighbors?
Everyone is entitled to RV however they want.
I think you've answered your own question.
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Eurocamper
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04/13/12 11:58am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Music or not at the camp site?
There are different types of people who camp. There are partiers who think of camping as a getting away from everyday life and letting it all hang out. There are others who go camping to be close to nature and enjoy the peace and quiet.
Too bad CGs aren't separated into types so everyone could enjoy camping in their own way without infringing upon others.
Good observation, though I'm compelled to point out that the "close to nature people," looking for peace and quiet, do not infringe on the the experience of the partiers. In fact they probably go unnoticed by them. It is the partiers that are infringing on others. This is a one-way-street not a two-way.
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Eurocamper
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04/13/12 09:04am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Why boondocking?
The number one reason for me to boondock is to avoid inconsiderate neighbors. Staying at a public campground these days is a crapshoot. You may get a good experience or you may get something akin to camping at the infield of the Daytona 500.
So I guess my vote would be for both peace and quiet, and for solitude and privacy.
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Eurocamper
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04/13/12 07:44am |
Public Lands, Boondocking and Dry Camping
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RE: Sand Flats BLM recreation area near Moab.
Looking at places a bit farther out for the summer and was wondering about getting into the Sand Flats Recreation Area. What are the chances of getting a spot in one of the three campgrounds midweek in July, and how difficult will the road be for a Sequoia and a 28' trailer? It almost looks like the road is paved to the second campgroud using Google Earth, but even a jarring road with huge dips/rocks can look good on google earth. Thanks.
There are actually ten campgrounds along the Sand Flats Recreation Area. Many of them are suitable only for short rigs and 4-wheel drive.
There are sites that would be large enough to accommodate your rig in the first campground you come to (camp loop A, where my signature photo was taken). It has some 50 foot+ sites. There may be some suitable sites in camp loop C, but you better scout them out before committing to driving through them. The pavement ends just after camp loop D, but continues on as a well graded dirt road. Turning around after that point may be tricky for a rig of your size.
I agree that July might be brutally hot for camping in such an open desert area.
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Eurocamper
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04/11/12 06:23pm |
Public Lands, Boondocking and Dry Camping
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RE: am going to yellowstone this summer.
am wondering if i should go last of august and 1st 3 weeks in sept, will the weather be ok? concerned about snow or low temp's.
Obviously, there's no way of knowing what the weather will be like then. Generally speaking though, late August and most of September will see mild temperatures, with warm days and crisp nights. But snow and freezing temperatures can happen at any time in the high country. In my travels up there I've been snowed on in June, July and August. I've also worn shorts and a T-shirt in October.
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Eurocamper
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04/02/12 07:06pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Bear Spray
Here's another article that includes the number of incidents studied:
Research: Bear spray stops angry grizzlies better than guns
Excellent article.
I was alarmed to read that some people are treating bear spray like mosquito repellant and dousing their tents and packs with it. If anyone is thinking about doing that - DON'T
Bear spray, in an airborne state, will irritate a bear's eyes and mucus membranes and make an attacking bear break off its charge. But once the oils and chemicals settle to the ground they become a tasty treat for bears.
Think Tabasco Sauce - oh, so good on pizza and tacos, not so good in your eyes.
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Eurocamper
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04/02/12 07:25am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Recommend your camping chair!
For the last six years I have been using these "Deluxe Sun Chairs." I bought them from R.E.I. and they are the most comfortable folding chairs I've ever sat in. R.E.I. no longer sells them but I see they are available from Sears, as well as several on-line stores. One caveat, they are on the narrow side, so if you are "broad in the beam" they may not be a good fit.
Link
Gotta see if I can find those, I find with most chairs the backs are to straight, we have a pair of the zero gravity chairs from sears but they are pretty heavy to lug around.
You can also find them on the internet under the name "E-Z Sun Chair."
E-Z Sun Chair
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Eurocamper
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04/01/12 09:34pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Campground Etiquette
No generator noise here in Wyoming.
http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u402/douglasgruendell/Camper/GulfCoast024.jpg width=640
Changing topics for a moment here - that is an awesome campsite! Where is it? Is it on the Green River?
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Eurocamper
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04/01/12 07:13pm |
Public Lands, Boondocking and Dry Camping
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RE: Recommend your camping chair!
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb205/eurocamper/West%20Desert/100_5855.jpg height=400
For the last six years I have been using these "Deluxe Sun Chairs." I bought them from R.E.I. and they are the most comfortable folding chairs I've ever sat in. R.E.I. no longer sells them but I see they are available from Sears, as well as several on-line stores. One caveat, they are on the narrow side, so if you are "broad in the beam" they may not be a good fit.
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Eurocamper
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04/01/12 09:04am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Campground Etiquette
We are trying to "validate our lifestyle?"
Again, I said SOMETIMES ...
Does ones distain for a loud generator make their generator-less camping style superior? It appears that some think that way.
I'll put it in simple terms.
It's not that we think our camping style is superior, it is that the noise of loud generators is RUINING our camping experience. We don't want the loud generator noise. It's as simple as that.
If you must have electricity while camping, for God Sakes, buy a quiet generator that won't drive your neighbors nuts.
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Eurocamper
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04/01/12 08:14am |
Public Lands, Boondocking and Dry Camping
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RE: Campground Etiquette
One of the ways back-to-nature-green camping folks try to validate their life styles is to pick on the noise coming from the generators of the RV folks around them in camping areas.
Are you serious? We are trying to "validate our lifestyle?" What a crock.
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Eurocamper
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03/31/12 06:27pm |
Public Lands, Boondocking and Dry Camping
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RE: Grand Teton campgrounds in September
We were there first two weeks of September 3 years ago. You do not want to go any later than that. Everywhere is closing down.
I have to disagree. The last weeks of September and the first weeks of October are my favorite times to camp up there. The scenery, wildlife and trails stay open - as do the Gros Ventre and Signal Mountain campgrounds.
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Eurocamper
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03/31/12 06:30am |
RV Parks, National Parks, State Campgrounds & More
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RE: Bear Spray
Ever thought of using Wasp/Hornet spray? You can shoot from 30 feet away. Bear spray can't match that range.
fred
Maybe bear spray can't match the range of wasp/hornet spray, but it does produce a much broader cone of effect. Also, it is an open question whether wasp spray is or is not effective on bears as an attack deterrent. I was unable to find one cited case in which it was used in that way. Bear spray, on the other hand, is well proven and highly effective. Why not go with the proven deterrent?
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Eurocamper
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03/30/12 08:02pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Bear Spray
If you're confining yourself to the front country (boardwalks, viewpoints, well traveled and short trails, RV campgrounds and the like) it would probably be overkill to carry pepper spray. However, if you plan to venture into the back country at all I would highly recommend carrying it. I carry Counter Assault brand when I'm hiking in Yellowstone, and have seen the rangers up there carrying that brand as well.
Studies show that pepper spray is highly effective against grizzly bears, while guns seldom are effective.
Efficacy of Bear Deterrent Spray in Alaska
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Eurocamper
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03/30/12 04:39pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Capitol Reef
Here's some more information about the back-country loops in Capitol Reef:
Cathedral Valley
Waterpocket District
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Eurocamper
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03/23/12 07:32am |
RV Parks, National Parks, State Campgrounds & More
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RE: Capitol Reef
Are there 2 days of things to do in Torrey?
In Torrey, no. There are some surprisingly good restaurants there, but not a whole lot more.
But if you like to explorer the back country, and have a 4-wheel drive at your disposal (your Rubicon would fit the bill), there are two really really nice loop roads to travel from Capitol Reef. Each of them will take the better part of a day.
The first is the Cathedral Valley loop to the north. The second is the Burr Trail Boulder loop to the south. Both are spectacular, and sufficiently different to keep you entertained.
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Eurocamper
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03/22/12 07:55pm |
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