turninghawk
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If that were the case, I'd be impressed, not turned off.
$30 an hour will buy better workers, and the manufacturer can pick & choose who they want to employ, and not have to 'settle' for anyone. Plus, it probably negates the yearn for a union to come in and botch things up.
I've often said upon seeing a dozen minimum-wage employees at a McDonald's accomplishing very little -- Hire 6 people, pay them twice as much, and watch what happens to productivity and customer relations.
Look at it through a businessman's eyes, not subscribing to the "if a salesman's lips are moving he's lying" BS.
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Consider that companies often escalate the hourly pay figure by adding in vacation time, sick time, company provided insurance, and all other employee benefits. Some companies probably also include payroll taxes in that number since those things all added up are what the employee costs the company per hour. That $30+ isn't necessarily what the employee sees on their pay stub.
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If they have benefits that might be a total package of wages, ever think of that?
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I live in the RV manufacturing country. No one I have ever heard of makes anywhere near that at Newmar or anywhere else making RV's.
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beemerphile1 wrote:Consider that companies often escalate the hourly pay figure by adding in vacation time, sick time, company provided insurance, and all other employee benefits. Some companies probably also include payroll taxes in that number since those things all added up are what the employee costs the company per hour. That $30+ isn't necessarily what the employee sees on their pay stub. Not sure I would call it "escalating" the hourly pay benefits. Ask anyone who doesn't get company insurance, paid vacations, 401K matching funds, retirement benefits or other company perks if those items have any financial worth. I wouldn't doubt that each employee at Newmar costs the company way more than $30.00 and hour. Like most statistics, hourly pay values for the same individual will vary widely depending upon who is developing the statistics, and who those statistics are designed to influence. The point the salesman was probably trying to make is Newmar products are more expensive because they do not rely on cheap labor, and argument Detroit made for years about their automobiles. Works for some people, not for others.
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turninghawk
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Think it out.
I don't think it's about making it anybody else's business what somebody makes. I think the entire point was that if you pay workers more money, they're going to turn out a better product. A good sales pitch if you ask me.
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I was taking this thread in three directions.
1.In the direction of the sales rep's narrative or story. Instead of impressing my with his knowledge of the technical aspects of the current product line he wanted to tell me abut wages.
2. I see a previous thread regarding piecemeal versus hr wages in the RV industry had a very strongly opinion perspective of the Newmar factory workers quality and apparent piecemeal work results. So my question regarding hourly wages was answered there.
3. While i don't begrudge anyone a decent wage and while I don't consider $15-16 per hour a decent wage I am to understand that Progress Rail employees in Muncie Indiana building locomotives (Welders, Machinists, Electricians) are only paid $15-26 per hour so I was simply asking a question. Could Newmar possible pay that much more and still make a profit?
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Hourly wages are only relative to the region your in. $15-$26. maybe a decent wage in Muncie,Indiana. Not so much in San Fran or NYC.
Metro Areas generally pay significantly more, however there is significantly more stress and the rat race is that much more intense. Housing is more expensive.
Rural areas generally pay less. There is less opportunity and a little less stress. Pay is relative to location. Choose your poison
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I make $33hr according to my employer's stats. On my paycheck before taxes, it's $13hr. The rest of that figure is paid vacation, paid holidays, employer's share of medical insurance, workers comp and disabily insurance paid to the State, and lots of misc costs employee specific down to including TP in employee restrooms.
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turninghawk wrote:If that were the case, I'd be impressed, not turned off.
$30 an hour will buy better workers, and the manufacturer can pick & choose who they want to employ, and not have to 'settle' for anyone. Plus, it probably negates the yearn for a union to come in and botch things up.
I've often said upon seeing a dozen minimum-wage employees at a McDonald's accomplishing very little -- Hire 6 people, pay them twice as much, and watch what happens to productivity and customer relations.
Look at it through a businessman's eyes, not subscribing to the "if a salesman's lips are moving he's lying" BS.
X2- maybe if rv manufacturers offered higher average pay, or at least a comprehensive benefits package and some job stability, there wouldn't be as much overall dissatisfaction about rv industry quality on this forum. Of course, it would also likely drive the MSRP's up, and drive demand down. It's a catch 22. But there will always be people who can afford to pay more-and even a few willing to- for a better constructed product.
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