lawnspecialties
Garner, NC
Senior Member
Joined: 02/09/2009
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
 Offline
|
When we bought our Cyclone last year in May, we towed it home and pulled it on one trip with my '09 F350 6.4L SRW. I was very pleased with how the truck pulled the 18,000 lbs. of camper, toys, and water. The ONLY reason I sold it and bought a new 450 is because our Cyclone has an extremely heavy pin weight. It was almost 1000 lbs. overweight on the truck's rear axle and that scared me for the future. Right now, I'm just over 28,000 lbs. combined with a full load.
My 450 pulls great. But way better than the old 6.4? No. They both would cruise down the interstate with the Cyclone at 70mph with no problems. They both climbed hills well.
The real advantage the 6.7 has over the 6.4 is fuel economy; especially when not towing.
But I truly believe we're at the point that power increases are just silly. How much more do we need? Is it just a selling point for guys with manhood issues?
Keep the trucks at 400/800 and work on the dependability and fuel economy from here on. 
2011 Ford F450 4X4 6.7L (the strongest and nicest truck I've ever owned)
2011 Cyclone 370C Full Throttle (a $55,000 45' "what's gonna break next" toy hauler)
2009 Kawasaki KFX450R
2012 Honda 400X
2009 Suzuki LTZ 90
"Can we ever have too many toys?"
|
4x4ord
Canada
Senior Member
Joined: 12/23/2010
View Profile
Offline
|
lawnspecialties wrote:When we bought our Cyclone last year in May, we towed it home and pulled it on one trip with my '09 F350 6.4L SRW. I was very pleased with how the truck pulled the 18,000 lbs. of camper, toys, and water. The ONLY reason I sold it and bought a new 450 is because our Cyclone has an extremely heavy pin weight. It was almost 1000 lbs. overweight on the truck's rear axle and that scared me for the future. Right now, I'm just over 28,000 lbs. combined with a full load.
My 450 pulls great. But way better than the old 6.4? No. They both would cruise down the interstate with the Cyclone at 70mph with no problems. They both climbed hills well.
The real advantage the 6.7 has over the 6.4 is fuel economy; especially when not towing.
But I truly believe we're at the point that power increases are just silly. How much more do we need? Is it just a selling point for guys with manhood issues?
Keep the trucks at 400/800 and work on the dependability and fuel economy from here on.
I find it interesting that you went to a F450. I guess the F450 would have the more torque you say your not after with the 4.30 gears but according to the Ford brochure the F350 DRW is rated at 13000 kg and the F450 is rated at 13050 kg. If the F450 ends up being any heavier then the F350 (due to the little bigger axle and bigger brakes) the payload would likely be the same. The F350 with the 3.73 rear axle should give you your better fuel economy and the fewer revs/mile that the engine makes might contribute to the longevity you're after. Probably not a big deal either way but it just kind of made me wonder. There is probably differences in the two trucks that I am not aware of.
2011 F350 SRW short box 4x4 CC 6.7 PS King Ranch
B&W TurnoverBall and Companion
2003 Citation Supreme 34 RLTS
|
lawnspecialties
Garner, NC
Senior Member
Joined: 02/09/2009
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
Offline
|
4x4ord wrote:I find it interesting that you went to a F450. I guess the F450 would have the more torque you say your not after with the 4.30 gears but according to the Ford brochure the F350 DRW is rated at 13000 kg and the F450 is rated at 13050 kg. If the F450 ends up being any heavier then the F350 (due to the little bigger axle and bigger brakes) the payload would likely be the same. The F350 with the 3.73 rear axle should give you your better fuel economy and the fewer revs/mile that the engine makes might contribute to the longevity you're after. Probably not a big deal either way but it just kind of made me wonder. There is probably differences in the two trucks that I am not aware of.
I bought the 450 for two main reasons.
1. I "assumed" it just had a higher payload rating. Bad assumption.
2. Ironically, our big dealer typically carries more 450s than 350s when it comes to duallys. They had ten 450s and three 350 duallys. Much better selection.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The 4.30 rear end in my 450 is total overkill. I would be quite happy with a 4.10 or even a 3.73 with this truck. My '09 350 6.4L with the 3.73 pulled this same camper quite well on the interstates.
Hindsight can be a bear sometimes.
|
Gman22
Burlington, Ontario
Senior Member
Joined: 07/03/2008
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
|
KD4UPL wrote:Difference from what??
You know, from that other thing 
2012 KZ Spree LX 240BHS
2006 Dodge Ram 2500 QC Laramie, 4x4, 5.9 L Cummins Turbo Diesel
Equal-i-zer/Prodigy
"I6 Cummins guys keep it straight, those other guys go BOTH ways".
|
soling2003
Federal Way, WA
Full Member
Joined: 09/09/2010
View Profile
Offline
|
OUr 2010 6.4 towed our 15,000lb 5th just fine. Even over the mountains out here on the west coast. But the 2011 does do a bit better. Both are basically the same truck, but the 2011 is a dually with 6 speed. It gets a bit better fuel economy all around.
DW and 2 dogs
2011 Ford F350 Dually LB 4x4 CC 6.7 diesel
2007 Grand Junction 35TMS
Peterson 37 Sailboat at home
|
|
|
marspec
West Virginia
Senior Member
Joined: 04/13/2005
View Profile
Offline
|
While the new F450s have the same load capacity as a F350 dually they are rated higher for towing capacity. One of the advantages of the F450 is the tighter turning radius. The other is the larger brakes. I'm not convinced the price difference between a comparable F350 is worth that though.
|
lawnspecialties
Garner, NC
Senior Member
Joined: 02/09/2009
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
Offline
|
My 450 will indeed turn on a dime. Far better than my 350 SRW did. Go figure.
As for price difference, they were very close at the dealership. Maybe $2000 at most. But with the 350s better fuel economy gearing, that's tempting.
|
NewsW
US
Senior Member
Joined: 02/06/2012
View Profile
|
4x4ord wrote:If you were to install a Spartan or H&S tuner you would have allot more power than what the new ones put out. And likely get better fuel economy as well.
I'd like to know how in the world would there be a material difference in fuel economy while the engine puts out more power.
Posts are for entertainment purposes and may not be constituted as scientific, technical, engineering, or practical advice. Information is believed to be true but its accuracy and completeness cannot be guaranteed / or deemed fit for any purpose.
|
catfishmontana
montana
Senior Member
Joined: 01/29/2011
View Profile
Offline
|
NewsW wrote:4x4ord wrote:If you were to install a Spartan or H&S tuner you would have allot more power than what the new ones put out. And likely get better fuel economy as well.
I'd like to know how in the world would there be a material difference in fuel economy while the engine puts out more power.
Because with a tuner, the emissions controls can be turned off and removed. hence, an increase in fuel mileage.
2011 Ford F350 6.7 SRW, CC/LB, Lariat, Navigation, FX4, 20's, Black with Black Guts.
2010 Chevy Tahoe LTZ, Tow package w/ trans cooler and brake controller.
2007 Keystone Montana Mountaineer 30FKD TT
Can-Am Renegade 800 (mine) & Yamaha Grizzly 700 (hers)
|
NewsW
US
Senior Member
Joined: 02/06/2012
View Profile
|
catfishmontana wrote:
Because with a tuner, the emissions controls can be turned off and removed. hence, an increase in fuel mileage.
And in the process, voiding the warranty.
That can add up in savings for Ford real fast.
|
|
|
